Rebuild

[JoJoBoxer]

But clearly this year should be a sacrifice. Trade any assets for picks (Mack and Quinn). Use the 12 mil savings for lineman. All moves should be to preserve cap for next year otherwise.

What do Trestman and Nagy have in common (along with some Bears OCs)?

Their offenses were good their first year, until defenses had time to figure them out in the off-season and they were not able to adjust themselves.

Have you considered that the Bears could do that in 2022 and, with Mack and Quinn wrecking offensive game plans, the Bears could make some real noise in 2022?

If you say that they can't because Rodgers is back, who won the division in 2018 with Rodgers playing in Green Bay?

It was with Trubisky and Nagy, so there wasn't some amazing QB or HC that drove the team to the playoffs. Do you think that Trubisky is better than Fields and the Nagy is better than ... any of the first year HCs?

So why can't the Bears play well this year?

 

[dabears70]

Rebuilding seems the most realistic approach to the Bears now that Rodgers is back in GB.

This team is at least 2 years away for competing for the division and a playoff spot.

If I'm Poles I'm trading players and acquiring as many pics and young players as possible.

Given the situation can't see a contender team put together by the upcoming season.

Going against Rodgers a couple times a year should help Fields grow. Hopefully he'll come out of it with a win or two or three...........................

 

[Rob219_CBMB]

Rebuilding seems the most realistic approach to the Bears now that Rodgers is back in GB.

This team is at least 2 years away for competing for the division and a playoff spot.

If I'm Poles I'm trading players and acquiring as many pics and young players as possible.

Given the situation can't see a contender team put together by the upcoming season.

Poles publicly said they are not in a re-build. I doubt he changes that narrative because of the Rodgers news.

I definitely think George & Co. brought in Poles And Ebutt to win now (ref. to Mack & Co.) after Bears brass was banking on Rodgers to be gone. How sad. Might as well trade them all, knowing the fact that them guys time here was a total fucking waste.

 

[pinkfloydster]

Technically the rebuild started last year when they traded up for Fields

Now it should be about getting him to improve, protecting him and providing him weapons......this is year 2 of the rebuild.

If done properly, they should be moving on from higher priced vets (esp on the defensive side) who won't be part of a young core in 2023 when they should have ambitions to contend for a playoff spot....hell, the nfc is so awful they could contend for a w/c this year if fields takes a huge leap

Most would agree that the Bears last two years of draft picks were solid. There's a good foundation there.

Aside from that, every measuring stick you apply to the Bears current state of affairs is awful. Oldest team in the NFL. One of the worst cap situations when you factor in unsigned players and leveraged future cap space. Future draft capital leveraged. Gaping roster holes.

It's really an awful situation. It's very early, but it looks like Poles is just trying to get as many holes plugged as possible and seeing what they have. It's neither a rebuild nor a win now strategy.

If it were me, I would rip the band aid off and trade Quinn and Montgomery. Cut Trevathan and Graham.

 

[Bearly]

Rebuilding seems the most realistic approach to the Bears now that Rodgers is back in GB.

This team is at least 2 years away for competing for the division and a playoff spot.

If I'm Poles I'm trading players and acquiring as many pics and young players as possible.

Given the situation can't see a contender team put together by the upcoming season.

Don't see how Rodgers changes a thing. He's not the goal.

 

[Zvbxrpl]

I can get behind it, but tearing it down for a full rebuild won’t work unless the bears do the boring thing fans can’t stand and prioritize the trenches. A certain asshole pointed out they’ve been rebuilding since 07 minus a couple of years, and in many ways that’s true. Sad. But true.

Fans who didn’t pay attention to last year or years prior will drum the table for WRs who can ‘get separation,’ except Nagy’s scheme doesn’t call for that, it called for Dalton making quick throws to the hitch/curl followed by a move leading to YAC.

The bears just tendered Mustipher (along with Horsted and Simmons). That’s not what I/those who are tired of an Oline held together by one decent player and scotch tape/castaways/bringing guys closer to Medicare age than their prime out of retirement (who sadly are the best OL they had). That’s not conducive to effective roster building or management. Mustipher and Simmons aren’t some diamonds the bears can’t allow someone else to get their hands on.

There’s no point getting all the shiny, new fancy weapons if your QB is roadkill or useless after the first read like Mitch. I’m tired of saying it and seeing it. Tired of seeing good WRs—which the bears have bought and drafted multiple of especially this past decade-plus have nice stats weekly/yearly be obsolete because the bears otherwise are a 4-7 win team who gets stomped by real contenders.

Does any franchise suck more?

Detroit.

Or are we not counting them? It’s fair if we’re not, they kind of are the short bus team I can see being lumped in with D1AA college.

It does suck though. Detroit being Detroit is why the bears can get away with mediocrity.

 

[TheWinman]

Aaron Rodgers does not and should not change our plan one bit.

 

[Probie2429]

In order to rebuild you needed to have something prior. Poles’ is in new construction at this point.

 

[playthrough2001]

Most would agree that the Bears last two years of draft picks were solid. There's a good foundation there.

Aside from that, every measuring stick you apply to the Bears current state of affairs is awful. Oldest team in the NFL. One of the worst cap situations when you factor in unsigned players and leveraged future cap space. Future draft capital leveraged. Gaping roster holes.

It's really an awful situation. It's very early, but it looks like Poles is just trying to get as many holes plugged as possible and seeing what they have. It's neither a rebuild nor a win now strategy.

If it were me, I would rip the band aid off and trade Quinn and Montgomery. Cut Trevathan and Graham.

Graham is a UFA. They can’t cut him. He does count as dead money against the 2022 cap because he was re-structured last off season.

 

[Forty-six]

Last year this team won 6 games and I don't expect them to contend for a playoff spot. even though their schedule will be significantly easier in 2022 than it was last season. Realistically, what I hope to see is...

1. Significant growth from Fields where he becomes a legit QB and we can say, "Yes, he's the guy for the next 10 years." Right now, no one can say that based off what we saw last year.

2. The GM and HC focus on offense as they build a team around the skill set of Fields

3. The OL and WR's should be upgraded significantly.

In theory, with a weaker schedule, the growth of Fields, a vastly improved OL and better perimeter weapons I would hope that translates to 8 wins, maybe 9, in 2022. I look for this team to contend for a playoff spot in 2023.

 

[Bears Backer 54]

What makes Poles job harder is it really is difficult to evaluate talent based on performance under Matt Nagy's system. We've seen players move on from the Bears and get better performance outside the system so it's hard to know who to move on from and who to build around. Fields will be the real question on what kind of rebuild we are looking at. If Fields shows no major improvements under a new system and doesn't look like a building block for the franchise, we are stuck in the QB search again and Poles gets a ground up rebuild opportunity. Right now, we have Roquan, J Johnson, Monty and Mooney as potential key pieces. The best Poles can do this offseason in my opinion is to get key pieces on Oline, secondary and add a few offensive weapons and hope that he chose good coordinators and Fields shows up

 

[greg23]

Last year this team won 6 games and I don't expect them to contend for a playoff spot. even though their schedule will be significantly easier in 2022 than it was last season. Realistically, what I hope to see is...

1. Significant growth from Fields where he becomes a legit QB and we can say, "Yes, he's the guy for the next 10 years." Right now, no one can say that based off what we saw last year.

2. The GM and HC focus on offense as they build a team around the skill set of Fields

3. The OL and WR's should be upgraded significantly.

In theory, with a weaker schedule, the growth of Fields, a vastly improved OL and better perimeter weapons I would hope that translates to 8 wins, maybe 9, in 2022. I look for this team to contend for a playoff spot in 2023.

Do you realize that 8 wins and maybe 9 is the definition of being in playoff contention; if not actually making the playoffs? Especially in next seasons version of the NFC.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

What do Trestman and Nagy have in common (along with some Bears OCs)?

Their offenses were good their first year, until defenses had time to figure them out in the off-season and they were not able to adjust themselves.

Have you considered that the Bears could do that in 2022 and, with Mack and Quinn wrecking offensive game plans, the Bears could make some real noise in 2022?

If you say that they can't because Rodgers is back, who won the division in 2018 with Rodgers playing in Green Bay?

It was with Trubisky and Nagy, so there wasn't some amazing QB or HC that drove the team to the playoffs. Do you think that Trubisky is better than Fields and the Nagy is better than ... any of the first year HCs?

So why can't the Bears play well this year?

They can and I think they will. Rodgers can get hurt or be playing with a less than roster as they will still to move on from several guys because of cap and even pushing money out it will come due and they are screwed either way. When Erin retires we can only hope that the difficulty of drafting a good QB finally catches up to them, I can't think of another team that has struck gold every time like they have and are due for a miss. Maybe Love was their miss they will cover it up by keeping Erin, who knows.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

I can get behind it, but tearing it down for a full rebuild won’t work unless the bears do the boring thing fans can’t stand and prioritize the trenches. A certain asshole pointed out they’ve been rebuilding since 07 minus a couple of years, and in many ways that’s true. Sad. But true.

Fans who didn’t pay attention to last year or years prior will drum the table for WRs who can ‘get separation,’ except Nagy’s scheme doesn’t call for that, it called for Dalton making quick throws to the hitch/curl followed by a move leading to YAC.

The bears just tendered Mustipher (along with Horsted and Simmons). That’s not what I/those who are tired of an Oline held together by one decent player and scotch tape/castaways/bringing guys closer to Medicare age than their prime out of retirement (who sadly are the best OL they had). That’s not conducive to effective roster building or management. Mustipher and Simmons aren’t some diamonds the bears can’t allow someone else to get their hands on.

There’s no point getting all the shiny, new fancy weapons if your QB is roadkill or useless after the first read like Mitch. I’m tired of saying it and seeing it. Tired of seeing good WRs—which the bears have bought and drafted multiple of especially this past decade-plus have nice stats weekly/yearly be obsolete because the bears otherwise are a 4-7 win team who gets stomped by real contenders.


Detroit.

Or are we not counting them? It’s fair if we’re not, they kind of are the short bus team I can see being lumped in with D1AA college.

It does suck though. Detroit being Detroit is why the bears can get away with mediocrity.

There's no risk in signing those 3 guys and they probably don't make the final roster or they saw something they think better coaching can fix.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

Last year this team won 6 games and I don't expect them to contend for a playoff spot. even though their schedule will be significantly easier in 2022 than it was last season. Realistically, what I hope to see is...

1. Significant growth from Fields where he becomes a legit QB and we can say, "Yes, he's the guy for the next 10 years." Right now, no one can say that based off what we saw last year.

2. The GM and HC focus on offense as they build a team around the skill set of Fields

3. The OL and WR's should be upgraded significantly.

In theory, with a weaker schedule, the growth of Fields, a vastly improved OL and better perimeter weapons I would hope that translates to 8 wins, maybe 9, in 2022. I look for this team to contend for a playoff spot in 2023.

Sounds about right.

 

[pinkfloydster]

Graham is a UFA. They can’t cut him. He does count as dead money against the 2022 cap because he was re-structured last off season.

I guess that makes just a bit more of a moron than I had originally thought.

 

[hyatt151]

Technically the rebuild started last year when they traded up for Fields

Now it should be about getting him to improve, protecting him and providing him weapons......this is year 2 of the rebuild.

If done properly, they should be moving on from higher priced vets (esp on the defensive side) who won't be part of a young core in 2023 when they should have ambitions to contend for a playoff spot....hell, the nfc is so awful they could contend for a w/c this year if fields takes a huge leap

It would take a Josh Allen type of leap for Fields next year to contend for a WC shot, not holding my breath

 

[greg23]

It would take a Josh Allen type of leap for Fields next year to contend for a WC shot, not holding my breath

Ummm....if the eagles and their atrocious play of Jalen Hurts can make the playoffs last year, a similar blah team will make the playoffs this year.

Find me the 6th/7th "best" team in the nfc next season.....after the top 2 (gb/la) the next 3 are okay (az/sf/dal) and then it's a shitbag of stew at the qb position.

And even az/sf/dal have some issues/questions

None of this means the Bears will be good but next year, nfc teams around 6-8 will have a chance at the playoffs the final 3 weeks

 

[JoJoBoxer]

They can and I think they will. Rodgers can get hurt or be playing with a less than roster as they will still to move on from several guys because of cap and even pushing money out it will come due and they are screwed either way. When Erin retires we can only hope that the difficulty of drafting a good QB finally catches up to them, I can't think of another team that has struck gold every time like they have and are due for a miss. Maybe Love was their miss they will cover it up by keeping Erin, who knows.

People have to consider that year one for the new offense is going to be something new for every other team's defense. Sometimes, that means that the offense does much better than expected.

It would be sad if the Bears traded Quinn and Mack, making the defense a below than average defense, and then catching lightning in a bottle with the first year offense (which has happened even with the Bears) and wasting 2022 because of a weak defense. 2023 is the year to make the getting rid of or keeping Quinn and Mack decision with hopefully some more holes being filled in 2022.

I am in the minority in wanting the defense to mostly stay good with Quinn and Mack and hoping for that lightning in a bottle moment.

I believe that Terron Armstead would solve the LT problem and bringing Daniels back as the center (with some competent coaches to RETEACH him the center position (he was the top center coming out his rookie year, I believe). This would create a solid offensive line. Bozeman or Ben Jones would be a 2nd or 3 tier fill at center if Daniels is too expensive. Noteboom would be the same at LT if Armstead is too expensive.

Adding a couple (if they have the cap money) of a pool of Chark, Bilal Nichols, Bryce Callahan or Marquez Valdez-Scandling (I am sure there are others who would fit well) would fill some of the large amount of holes the Bears have. Poles is going to have to do some dumpster diving to see if a few of these can be brought in cheaply or look a tier lower to fill holes.

There are actually a lot of WRs in the draft that can be brought in as non-top-tier athletic WRs who can fill the 3rd through 5th receiver spots. Maybe one of them shows out during 2022.


If you could, a Chark

 

[Bears Super Bowl]

Did anyone have the Bengals in the Super Bowl at this time last year? Stranger things can happen than the Bears being competitive all year and getting hot.