Remember when it was Fields fault for holding on to the ball too long?

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OL wasn't good, but part of this is Caleb's comfort in knowing where the ball should go with pressure. That will take time. Its reps and getting on the same page with WRs on specific routes etc. Like the back shoulder throws. Needs to work on it. Mentally he seems pretty far ahead in regards to rookies running an offense. He needs physical reps. Its two games in.
 

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Jags are frauds because their franchise QB is all hype and no production, Richardson can be beat, Rams are banged up, Panthers are lol.

Caleb needs to find a spark and get his down field accuracy dialed in because it's Mitch levels bad right now.
I don't disagree... I'm just saying the next two.

I actually think Richardson will be a bust of a QB in the NFL. He's a fantasy guy, but not an NFL QB imo. My only point is, despite my feelings on Richardson, that offense is talented and he can beat you with his legs if you aren't ready for them. His weapons are also very good. Rams are too talented with a veteran QB if they're healthy, but that looks like it won't be the case anyway.

To clarify where I was going... last week when it was looking rough with the Titans game, I saw a possibility of us being 0-4 given we had the Titans, Texans, Colts, and Rams. Since then, we found a way to win against the Titans and the Rams lost their two top WRs. That's all I'm saying.
 

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Do you root for a low time to throw stat or wins?

Lol wins? Fields is 12-28 so you sure you want to talk wins with fields?

What I root for is a QB that we can build around to win a Superbowl. Fields inability to process what's happening on the field is a huge flaw that his running ability hasn't been able to overcome.

We will find out if CW is the guy, he is a rookie so it will take some time
 

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It is hilarious watching all of Bears fandom exclusively blame this terrible OL after just 6 months ago exclusively blaming all the bears offensive woes on Fields
Please link the posts with people exclusively blaming JF. IIR most people's order of blame was the OC, OL, then a toss up between JF and lack of quality targets.
 

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That is spot on...how the hell did he retain his job? All the blame was thrown Justin's way. Everyone believed it. Again, I'm fine with Caleb but Justin wasn't the problem
It wasn't all Fields but Fields was never goong to be the reason the Bears went to the playoffs if they got there. You cannot pay those types of QB's who around average at best.
 

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The oline has been a problem. The oline is still a problem. It looks even worse now. Last night was approaching the Giants vs. Cutler futility.

This is worst case scenario for your rookie QB's development. He's gonna get the yips because of how bad his protection is.

I was wondering how Chris Morgan retained his job. I kind of assumed they blamed Fields for how bad the oline was in the passing game. What's the excuse now?
Chris Morgan will say, " How can I make lemonade out of Chickenshit " and be retained again
 

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It’s ultimately irrelevant whether Fields was 1st or 5th on the blame list. He just wasn’t good enough.

If 3 years in, CW can’t average 200 yards a game, he’ll also not be good enough.

It's crazy Fields is on pace for a for a 2300 yard 9TD season and the Fields cult is coming out in full force! Lol like that's a good argument for us keeping him.. you would think they would wait for him to actually have a statistically good game first.
 

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It's crazy Fields is on pace for a for a 2300 yard 9TD season and the Fields cult is coming out in full force! Lol like that's a good argument for us keeping him.. you would think they would wait for him to actually have a statistically good game first.
It’s really a shame that an offense’s struggles with plenty of blame to go around has become an argument of a rookie QB’s 2nd game vs. a 4-year veteran.
 

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I don't believe people think he was the "major issue". He was just an issue.

I know people want to be optimistic about the OL, including me, but we all know they weren't fantastic. They a middle of the road unit at best right now. Objective rankings everywhere say that. Where the optimism comes is that maybe they'll crack top 10 with time together since last year, as it's mostly the same guys. Regardless, OL should get better and better with more and more time together. Keyword is should. Also, someone like Wright should see more improvement. Again, maybe a lot are guilty of optimism, but I think everyone would GLADLY have taken replacements for center and RG. No one loved those guys last year.

Also WRs... everyone knows that someone like Mooney wasn't fantastic. Sure, he's probably better than what we saw, but that doesn't mean people didn't want to upgrade him. Universally, everyone wanted WR upgraded. No one wanted to pay Mooney and that was totally solidified when we saw his contract. No one here wanted to pay that... I can't remember a single person being sad he was gone.

Getsy was universally trashed. No need to go deep on that one.

So, I'd say a majority of the fanbase very readily would've welcomed changes on the OL, WR, and OC always. That's an indication that people definitely didn't believe Fields was the only issue. The thing though is Fields has a contract thing to work through soon, and there's no single position where an upgrade can make the most difference like QB. So, it makes sense to try to make that move without making Fields shoulder all the blame. People always wanted to make this a "is Fields the problem" kind of issue, but no one person is the problem anywhere (except the McCaskey family).
did you watch the game last night? lol
 

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did you watch the game last night? lol
Yea, I know they suck really bad right now. I'm just saying rankings were putting them in the late teens or so... standard deviation from the mean. Off memory, they'd be ranked maybe 18-24 or so? It's withing the peak of the bell curve.

The point isn't to say they are good or bad. The point is that, at best, they're average and everyone knows they're average or worse. No one was saying the OL is amazing and Fields sucked so bad that he tanked an otherwise top end unit.
 

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It's crazy Fields is on pace for a for a 2300 yard 9TD season and the Fields cult is coming out in full force! Lol like that's a good argument for us keeping him.. you would think they would wait for him to actually have a statistically good game first.

2-0 with a shit OL on the road in both games.

Root for wins, not stats.

Justin's sack % is down, no INTs and no lost fumbles.
 

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Yea, I know they suck really bad right now. I'm just saying rankings were putting them in the late teens or so... standard deviation from the mean. Off memory, they'd be ranked maybe 18-24 or so? It's withing the peak of the bell curve.

The point isn't to say they are good or bad. The point is that, at best, they're average and everyone knows they're average or worse. No one was saying the OL is amazing and Fields sucked so bad that he tanked an otherwise top end unit.
sure...most here recognize they arent the 1990 redskins O line

but to act like people werent bashing fields as the main problem for the O line looking bad is just disingenuous
 

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It's crazy Fields is on pace for a for a 2300 yard 9TD season and the Fields cult is coming out in full force! Lol like that's a good argument for us keeping him.. you would think they would wait for him to actually have a statistically good game first.
You are missing the point. It's not about keeping Fields, drafting Caleb was the correct move. It's about not addressing the problem of OL. If you can't see Fields helped mask that last year with his real threat of running then I can't help you. The Bears paid lip service to that in the offseason because they thought they were set.
 

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Yea, I know they suck really bad right now. I'm just saying rankings were putting them in the late teens or so... standard deviation from the mean. Off memory, they'd be ranked maybe 18-24 or so? It's withing the peak of the bell curve.

The point isn't to say they are good or bad. The point is that, at best, they're average and everyone knows they're average or worse. No one was saying the OL is amazing and Fields sucked so bad that he tanked an otherwise top end unit.
Objective rankings?
25 percentile (24/32) in the peak of a bell curve?
standard deviation from the mean?

You might want to brush up on some of these terms.
 

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2-0 with a shit OL on the road in both games.

Root for wins, not stats.

Justin's sack % is down, no INTs and no lost fumbles.

Why the **** would you compare results of a rookie's 1st 2 games to a 4th year vet as though it meant anything significant.

Here's a comparison for you, LOL. Caleb is getting the ball out 0.3 sec quicker in his 1st 2 games than JF's improved Time To Throw this year.

Getsy just beat the Ravens!

Here's a headline for you.

 

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Anyone notice when the Bears run motion with sweeps off it the timing doesn't look like other NFL teams? How do they practice?
Nothing really looks right. Everything looks awkward and is rarely smooth.
We also barely get the the snap off with .05 seconds left on the play clock.
 

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Why the **** would you compare results of a rookie's 1st 2 games to a 4th year vet as though it meant anything significant.

Here's a comparison for you, LOL. Caleb is getting the ball out 0.3 sec quicker in his 1st 2 games than JF's improved Time To Throw this year.

Getsy just beat the Ravens!

Here's a headline for you.

Where'd I compare Justin and Caleb?

Both Justin and Caleb are playing with garbage OLs. Justin is playing clean right now because it ain't his first rodeo but we have clowns here pointing to the stats like they matter. Caleb needs time to adjust and figure it out but there's gotta be concerns. He was better in 2022 than 2023 and his start here hasn't been impressive. He needs to get right.
 

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