Remydat's 1st Mock Offseason

[Hoodey]

Who is deciding on Nix if you say we dont have the OC or HC in place to train him? Further if you trade down there is no guarantee you get Nix. A trade down only makes sense if you happy with multiple QBs so this seems an awful lot like hindsight.

But we already didn’t. So your first thing if you support any of this charade should be to ask why. Since we don’t, it doesn’t matter if this isn’t Payton’s system. It isn’t anyone’s system. Dude is that really your “I’ll say anything to walk backwards to Williams” play? “You can’t guarantee a trade down. Holy crap. Good thing you weren’t Jerry Krause’ advisor in 1987. You’d have convinced him he is helpless lol

 

[remydat]

But we already didn’t. So your first thing if you support any of this charade should be to ask why. Since we don’t, it doesn’t matter if this isn’t Payton’s system. It isn’t anyone’s system. Dude is that really your “I’ll say anything to walk backwards to Williams” play? “You can’t guarantee a trade down. Holy crap. Good thing you weren’t Jerry Krause’ advisor in 1987. You’d have convinced him he is helpless lol

You arent really making any sense though. I had no problem with the trade down because I was fine with multiple QBs.

You seem hell bent on Nix and all I am saying is if he was the only QB you wanted then trading down makes little sense because you had no guarantee he would be there. So lets say you get the haul and trade down but someone drafts Nix ahead of you. What's your response?

 

[Hoodey]

You arent really making any sense though. I had no problem with the trade down because I was fine with multiple QBs.

You seem hell bent on Nix and all I am saying is if he was the only QB you wanted then trading down makes little sense because you had no guarantee he would be there. So lets say you get the haul and trade down but someone drafts Nix ahead of you. What's your response?

I make perfect sense. But you’ll see that over the next 2-3 years.

If you can’t have the number one pick with a massively overvalued player like Williams and trade for a specific guy, you have no business being a GM

 

[remydat]

I make perfect sense. But you’ll see that over the next 2-3 years.

If you can’t have the number one pick with a massively overvalued player like Williams and trade for a specific guy, you have no business being a GM

You still arent answering the question. If you trade down and Nix is gone what do you do.

You have no business being a GM if you have no backup if the draft doesnt fall how you want.

 

[EDPeezy]

Nix would almost certainly be struggling if he played for the Bears. I don’t want to just dismiss what he has done. I think there’s a very strong chance though that a decent chunk of his success is due to Sean Payton.

I’d also bet my life that if you gave Sean Payton the #1 pick in last years draft he would not have taken Nix. I don‘t think there is a decision maker in the league that would have taken Nix over Williams.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Still do not understand the love for Tevin Jenkins. Only way I'd bring him back is on a 1 year, prove-it type deal expecting he may only be healthy for half of the deal.

Probably would motivate him to play his ass off for a year and then let the next team to sign him regret it. And get a comp pick in return! @BaBaBlacksheep

 

[Hoodey]

You still arent answering the question. If you trade down and Nix is gone what do you do.

You have no business being a GM if you have no backup if the draft doesnt fall how you want.

Well first, I’m not QB obsessed like most bears fans. If all I got was a haul of picks and a great athlete, and then the bears hired someone who knows what a good QB looks like and can get a really good QB with the 20th pick, that would be ideal. But that was was supposed to be poles since he came from KC. That’s what a score host told me.

Secondly, you have the number one pick. Bo Nix was picked 12th. So not only could you have grabbed him with your other pick if all else failed, but what do you think you do? Trade down to 12 and ask no questions? Or work a deal out where you pick Williams and start working trades with teams who want him. Many teams erroneously wanted him so making the trade wouldn’t have been hard.

You’re starting with the idea “I want Williams” and passive aggressively working backwards to “it would have been impossible to guarantee a trade for a QB.”

But the bears just got their asses kicked by the last pick of the draft at QB. So, if they had to trade him for an athlete in the top 15 and a haul, I’d have been thrilled with that too. I don’t share most bears fans obsessive desperation about QB. I hold the mccaskeys accountable for not hiring people who know something someone else doesn’t. I’m not looking for a miracle answer

If many other teams were in our situation and the media asked them about the top pick, the GM would have told them “I already got a guy with a second rounder two years ago or last year that is probably going to do just fine.”

But since nobody at Halas hall knows anything, they had Justin fields and Tyson bagent. The packers front office would have had Justin fields and Justin love. So they could have traded down for an athlete and a haul of picks and been just fine.

So…

> Williams didn’t justify the pick
> His overvaluing made trading down even more lucrative than last year
> Teams can be built without having the great QB
> Having the grade QB has almost always been a function of how much the front office and coaches know about offense and QB play
> if I had to have a QB I’d have traded down for nix and drafted fashanu. If that backfired see bullet point 3 because someone would have traded for Williams. (Most teams don’t have GMs who couldn’t execute a trade down though).
> not getting nix isn’t material because you don’t have great offensive coaches or front office people in the building anyway

 

[remydat]

Well first, I’m not QB obsessed like most bears fans. If all I got was a haul of picks and a great athlete, and then the bears hired someone who knows what a good QB looks like and can get a really good QB with the 20th pick, that would be ideal. But that was was supposed to be poles since he came from KC. That’s what a score host told me.

Secondly, you have the number one pick. Bo Nix was picked 12th. So not only could you have grabbed him with your other pick if all else failed, but what do you think you do? Trade down to 12 and ask no questions? Or work a deal out where you pick Williams and start working trades with teams who want him. Many teams erroneously wanted him so making the trade wouldn’t have been hard.

You’re starting with the idea “I want Williams” and passive aggressively working backwards to “it would have been impossible to guarantee a trade for a QB.”

But the bears just got their asses kicked by the last pick of the draft at QB. So, if they had to trade him for an athlete in the top 15 and a haul, I’d have been thrilled with that too. I don’t share most bears fans obsessive desperation about QB. I hold the mccaskeys accountable for not hiring people who know something someone else doesn’t. I’m not looking for a miracle answer

If many other teams were in our situation and the media asked them about the top pick, the GM would have told them “I already got a guy with a second rounder two years ago or last year that is probably going to do just fine.”

But since nobody at Halas hall knows anything, they had Justin fields and Tyson bagent. The packers front office would have had Justin fields and Justin love. So they could have traded down for an athlete and a haul of picks and been just fine.

So…

> Williams didn’t justify the pick
> His overvaluing made trading down even more lucrative than last year
> Teams can be built without having the great QB
> Having the grade QB has almost always been a function of how much the front office and coaches know about offense and QB play
> if I had to have a QB I’d have traded down for nix and drafted fashanu. If that backfired see bullet point 3 because someone would have traded for Williams. (Most teams don’t have GMs who couldn’t execute a trade down though).
> not getting nix isn’t material because you don’t have great offensive coaches or front office people in the building anyway

No I am starting with the idea I would be fine with multiple QBs so I can easily trade down.

Your premise is you want Nix but then pretending you had a crystal ball to know Nix was going 12th. You would not know that. So again you would have to plan for a scenario where someone else takes Nix.

Like if you say if Nix was not there you stick with Fields and draft Odunze and Bowers or Odunze and Latham then fair enough. Right now you seem to not have though about what happens if Nix isnt available.

 

[EDPeezy]

Damn you guys don’t get it. Nix would almost certainly struggle on the Bears. The Bears didn’t make a mistake not getting freaking Bo Nix. Trading down so they could have drafted Bo Nix would have been a disaster. I guarantee you even more than it is now. Bo Nix has a hall of fame coach who has put him in a position to succeed. He’s also played like 6 years of college football and is quite a bit older for a rookie than guys like Maye, McCarthy and Williams. There is nothing special about Bo Nix. He hit the jackpot with where he was drafted.

Outside of maybe Daniels, because of his ability to run and his age. (maybe I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure he’s quite old for a rookie as well) there is no QB in this draft who would have been rolling with the Bears this year. And I’m not really even sure about him. He’s a classic case of a guy whose career gets cut short by injuries. And the shine has somewhat worn off with him already anyway.

 

[UChiLAbear]

Damn you guys don’t get it. Nix would almost certainly struggle on the Bears. The Bears didn’t make a mistake not getting freaking Bo Nix. Trading down so they could have drafted Bo Nix would have been a disaster. I guarantee you even more than it is now. Bo Nix has a hall of fame coach who has put him in a position to succeed. He’s also played like 6 years of college football and is quite a bit older for a rookie than guys like Maye, McCarthy and Williams. There is nothing special about Bo Nix. He hit the jackpot with where he was drafted.

I would say Denver hit the jackpot. They chose Nix, not the other way around.

 

[EDPeezy]

I would say Denver hit the jackpot. They chose Nix, not the other way around.

Decent chance you could have given Payton any of the top 6 QB’s taken and he’d have them playing well.

The reality is that Sean Payton is an excellent coach of offense and a great HC overall. he desperately needed a QB and with the draft position they had unless somebody dropped they were taking whoever was left. I’ve already said it but I’ll repeat it anyway. If Sean Payton had the #1 pick Bo Nix wouldn’t be the QB of the Denver Broncos right now.

I also am just guessing here and I hate to go there, but whatever. I could be completely talking out of my ass because I haven’t looked it up. But I’d bet the Broncos have had one of the easier schedules in the league this year. It seems like they’re always playing like the jets or raiders or browns. Or some other shit team with KC and the Chargers sprinkled in occasionally.

 

[Hoodey]

No I am starting with the idea I would be fine with multiple QBs so I can easily trade down.

Your premise is you want Nix but then pretending you had a crystal ball to know Nix was going 12th. You would not know that. So again you would have to plan for a scenario where someone else takes Nix.

Like if you say if Nix was not there you stick with Fields and draft Odunze and Bowers or Odunze and Latham then fair enough. Right now you seem to not have though about what happens if Nix isnt available.

You’re talking about something as simple as projecting where he will go and then talking to teams a few slots ahead of that. Yes. That’s a skill. If Nix is going to go 12th, don’t bank on him going 15th. To hear you tell it Jerry Krause had no ways to work sources and find out where to trade up because Scottie pippen might have been the number 1 pick in the draft.

A lot of people erroneously wanted Williams. He’s a super star in 4.5+ second situations where receivers have big separation. Many people assign how he does there to the rest of his game. They’d have been able to get a haul from someone and gotten a big time player and picks in return. With any level of effectiveness it would have been nix. But again, if it ended up being the best player available and multiple picks, great.

Lol how do you know what I haven’t thought about. I’d have been fine with Fashanu, Nabers and multiple picks. Odunze is just a big possession receiver. There were too many people who wanted Williams in too many spots where the bears could have gotten a good player and multiple picks to not get a sweet deal like the one they got in 2023.

Horseshit management

 

[remydat]

You’re talking about something as simple as projecting where he will go and then talking to teams a few slots ahead of that. Yes. That’s a skill. If Nix is going to go 12th, don’t bank on him going 15th. To hear you tell it Jerry Krause had no ways to work sources and find out where to trade up because Scottie pippen might have been the number 1 pick in the draft.

A lot of people erroneously wanted Williams. He’s a super star in 4.5+ second situations where receivers have big separation. Many people assign how he does there to the rest of his game. They’d have been able to get a haul from someone and gotten a big time player and picks in return. With any level of effectiveness it would have been nix. But again, if it ended up being the best player available and multiple picks, great.

Lol how do you know what I haven’t thought about. I’d have been fine with Fashanu, Nabers and multiple picks. Odunze is just a big possession receiver. There were too many people who wanted Williams in too many spots where the bears could have gotten a good player and multiple picks to not get a sweet deal like the one they got in 2023.

Horseshit management

Again it is conceivable you project corectly but you also have to plan for someone beating you to the punch.

I kept asking you to name the alternative and you kept refusinng. So your position is Fashanu and Nabers or one of those guys and Nix.

If those are the options I probably opt for Nabers and Fashanu and stick with Fields.

 

[Hoodey]

Again it is conceivable you project corectly but you also have to plan for someone beating you to the punch.

I kept asking you to name the alternative and you keep refusinng. So you position is Fashanu and Nabers or one of those guys and Nix.

If those are the options I probably opt for Nabers and Fashanu and stick with Fields.

Yeah fine man. That would have been great. Williams isn’t terrible. He’s just more of a low first round value. But he was so overvalued that you could have traded for a number of very good players in a package of great picks. If we were about to be 13-4 I’d shut up about it. But we are about to be 4-13.

 

[remydat]

Yeah fine man. That would have been great. Williams isn’t terrible. He’s just more of a low first round value. But he was so overvalued that you could have traded for a number of very good players in a package of great picks. If we were about to be 13-4 I’d shut up about it. But we are about to be 4-13.

It is way too early to say that about Williams. For all the dysfunction with the coaches and peotection issues he is still basically matching Nix who has far superior coaching and OL play.

 

[Hoodey]

It is way too early to say that about Williams. For all the dysfunction with the coaches and peotection issues he is still basically matching Nix who has far superior coaching and OL play.

The skill is in saying it now. Just like I said cutler, grossman, trubisky and fields weren’t the answer before anything transpired. Anyone can look back and say “turns out he wasn’t great.”

When Williams doesn’t do big things here no one will be able to say “oh sure, anyone can say that now.”

Remember that one person was saying it then. He holds the ball way too long and that’s always been his MO. If he could combine his spectacular plays where he gets 4.5 seconds with the ability to go through reads very quickly and make all the little passes to keep the chains moving, yeah then he’d be on to something. But he’s never demonstrated that

 

[remydat]

The skill is in saying it now. Just like I said cutler, grossman, trubisky and fields weren’t the answer before anything transpired. Anyone can look back and say “turns out he wasn’t great.”

When Williams doesn’t do big things here no one will be able to say “oh sure, anyone can say that now.”

Remember that one person was saying it then. He holds the ball way too long and that’s always been his MO. If he could combine his spectacular plays where he gets 4.5 seconds with the ability to go through reads very quickly and make all the little passes to keep the chains moving, yeah then he’d be on to something. But he’s never demonstrated that

He demonstrated that when Brown first took over but yes still inconsistent on that front.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

It is way too early to say that about Williams. For all the dysfunction with the coaches and peotection issues he is still basically matching Nix who has far superior coaching and OL play.

I thought Nix had a 0% chance of succeeding in the NFL, but do you now understand how to analyze football?

 

[remydat]

I thought Nix had a 0% chance of succeeding in the NFL, but do you now understand how to analyze football?

When did I say Nix had 0% chance of succeeding?

Although his 3 Ints today certainly not helping his cause today.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

When did I say Nix had 0% chance of succeeding?

Although his 3 Ints today certainly not helping his cause today.

One game overreaction much?