Report: Deng to test FA

[Happy Human 1001]

so... after this season, we:

lose Deng and Boozer(assuming we amnesty him);

and probably gain Mirotic and cap space.

Overall, I would be happy with this, but we would still need another quality starter to play one of the forward positions (I guess small forward, although Mirotic is roughly Deng-sized)

 

[Cerebral]

Assuming we pick up Butler's and Teague's options, our salary total will be 64.9 million. Because we'll be under the tax threshold, we'll be awarded the full MLE. But if we amnesty Boozer's 16.8 million dollar contract, we will be ~10 million under the cap [64.9 million - 16.8 million = 48.1, ~10 million under the cap]... and teams under the cap don't get the full MLE.

Ah, gotcha, thanks for the clear up. But the question I have now is, if we let Deng walk who do we replace him with? There are a lot of if's that can be available but what player is for sure going to be a free agent that will upgrade our team?

 

[NCChiFan]

I was thinking along the same lines, who could we pick up if Deng walks to another team? Is Lebron a FA by chance?

 

[ChettheJet]

First, it's Herb Rudoy who's been an agent for like 40 years so he knows how to play the game. For those who refuse to pay attention, this is what was going to happen anyway because the Bulls want flexibility. At season's end they can see where they are and who else is a FA. Somebody else is going to offer Deng more than he's worth and he's going to go which frees up cap room. They aren't going to trade him at the deadline, they're trying to win the title. Why some people continually think they should keep planning for the next year and the next and the next or the Mirotic era is beyond me.


They have given no indication they are going to amnesty Boozer, no matter how many of you think they HAVE to. The Bulls unlike some fans have learned that even if you clear the cap room FAs don't have to come. That's how they ended up down to Boozer in the first place and historically Eddie Robinson and Ron Mercer. Providing Butler advances his game playing the 2 this year they have the option of signing either a 2 or 3 whichever they can find.

Even with Deng leaving he could be a sign and trade. Another team would be signing him as a 3 so the Bulls could take back a 2 or a 4 in return if the team had extras at those positions because they have Butler and Dunleavy at the 3. That's the flexibility that keeps them from having to do something desperate and dumb.

 

[Cerebral]

Assuming we pick up Butler's and Teague's options, our salary total will be 64.9 million. Because we'll be under the tax threshold, we'll be awarded the full MLE. But if we amnesty Boozer's 16.8 million dollar contract, we will be ~10 million under the cap [64.9 million - 16.8 million = 48.1, ~10 million under the cap]... and teams under the cap don't get the full MLE.

Ah, gotcha, thanks for the clear up. But the question I have now is, if we let Deng walk who do we replace him with? There are a lot of if's that can be available but what player is for sure going to be a free agent that will upgrade our team?

 

[clonetrooper264]

Ah, gotcha, thanks for the clear up. But the question I have now is, if we let Deng walk who do we replace him with? There are a lot of if's that can be available but what player is for sure going to be a free agent that will upgrade our team?

No one. To be quite blunt, no one we get in free agency is going to be better than Deng. If anything, we just move laterally. However, I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing considering the circumstances because it could be the case that the player we hypothetically get is perhaps a slightly younger and/or cheaper Deng type player. I'd love to have a guy like Chandler Parsons, but I doubt he goes anywhere unless the Rockets find themselves in a knot with the luxury tax...but I think they'd pay it.

We could get someone like Brandon Rush or Trevor Ariza...guys who are cheaper than Deng, but also not as good, who could come in and do things like play good defense and knock down 3s like Deng does for us. Perhaps if Boston decides to tank for another year and let go of everyone they have we could perhaps try for Avery Bradley, Marshon Brooks, or Jeff Green, all players I think could help us out. Anthony Morrow would be a nice shooter to go after as a complementary move after grabbing someone. We could also keep Kirk for another few years (perhaps on an even cheaper deal). A lot of it depends on how much Butler and Teague improve this year.

 

[Uman85]

I think Deng will be disappointed in his open market value. The Bulls are doing the right thing by waiting.

Yep. I'd rather he be disappointed with someone else's money instead of the Bulls'.

 

[transplant]

I forget how much cap we'll have available come free agency though...can't be that much, but we should at least have the MLE right?

Here's what I come up with assuming Boozer is amnestied and Deng signs elsewhere:

Derrick Rose $18,862,875
Carlos Boozer
Luol Deng
Joakim Noah $12,200,000
Kirk Hinrich
Taj Gibson $8,000,000
Mike Dunleavy $3,326,235
Jimmy Butler $2,008,748
Marquis Teague $1,120,920

Sub Total $45,518,778

Mirotic $5,000,000
6 vet min capholds @$915,243per=$5,491,458

Total $56,010,236

Don't know what the cap will be, but it's $58.7mil this season. I could be missing something, but I'm not seeing a lot of cap space. If the Bulls let Deng walk, it might end up being to their advantage to work out a sign & trade so they at least get a big trade exception.

 

[BNB]

Yeah, I think it's important that we don't let Deng just walk. Even if we can't trade for someone very impactful, we can trade him to get some better depth, or even for some picks. I also hope that we don't give him too much money over a 5 year span. He'll be 29 at the end of the season... It would suck having a declining SF making like 13 million a year on the team who we wouldn't be able to move.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Here's what I come up with assuming Boozer is amnestied and Deng signs elsewhere:

Derrick Rose $18,862,875
Carlos Boozer
Luol Deng
Joakim Noah $12,200,000
Kirk Hinrich
Taj Gibson $8,000,000
Mike Dunleavy $3,326,235
Jimmy Butler $2,008,748
Marquis Teague $1,120,920

Sub Total $45,518,778

Mirotic $5,000,000
6 vet min capholds @$915,243per=$5,491,458

Total $56,010,236

Don't know what the cap will be, but it's $58.7mil this season. I could be missing something, but I'm not seeing a lot of cap space. If the Bulls let Deng walk, it might end up being to their advantage to work out a sign & trade so they at least get a big trade exception.

Well if that's the case, a sign and trade is the best we can hope for in a scenario where Deng leaves. Ironic that if we keep Boozer we get the MLE though...I think.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Doesn't this just force us to trade him to make sure we get some value in return?

I think its still possible a deal could get done around the all-star break, or a trade would be expected unless we are #1 in the east or something.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Doesn't this just force us to trade him to make sure we get some value in return?

I think its still possible a deal could get done around the all-star break, or a trade would be expected unless we are #1 in the east or something.

Thing is, I don't see anyone trading for Deng midway through the season and giving up anything useful in return. Why would you give up assets for someone with an expiring deal?

 

[Axl Rose]

the truth is they have been shopping deng for awhile and nobody has bit...while hes a great player his value isnt great around the league it seems like

we shoulda took the Harrison Barnes deal...that was the best we were gonna do

 

[BNB]

Thing is, I don't see anyone trading for Deng midway through the season and giving up anything useful in return. Why would you give up assets for someone with an expiring deal?

Any trade involving Deng would probably involve an agreement to a contract extension.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

trade deng for ben gordon

 

[transplant]

Assuming the Bulls are in the playoff picture at the trade deadline, I don't see a mid-season trade of Deng since he'll be a key member of the team. When I mentioned a sign-and-trade, I was referring to after this season.

 

[zack54attack]

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out, of course I'm sure Dengs future as a Bull will have something to do with how Snell and Butler play this year, but who is/will be on the market that is a better option than Deng in 2014

All in for LeBron

 

[Axl Rose]

trade deng for ben gordon

Deng is just as greedy as Ben ever was

i hope if he leaves we start talking about how he couldn't dribble, call his defense overrated, act like he was never good, say were glad hes gone, call him greedy and boo him when he returns

 

[FrenchieBully]

Honestly, doooooooon't caaaarre. He always breaks down come playoff time. He is no Lebron stopper either. Butler did better on Lebron.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Deng is just as greedy as Ben ever was

i hope if he leaves we start talking about how he couldn't dribble, call his defense overrated, act like he was never good, say were glad hes gone, call him greedy and boo him when he returns

I hope pax dont resign Deng so the city of Chicago doesnt have to file for bankruptcy like Detroit.