Rose and lebron against Milwaukee

[houheffna]

Howard is lucky he doesn't get MORE techs. He protests every call, even intentional fouls.
He doesn't throw as many elbows around as Bron or Garnett, but he throws that forearm around a ton more than any player throws their elbows around, even prime Karl Malone. A Dwight Howard forearm isn't a contact-check, it's like a balintawak-eskrima punch.

He should be in the conversation for MVP. He shouldn't be the MVP because he is so far from a class act on the court. The only people that want Howard or LeBron to win, are people who have an agenda with Rose/the writers that prematurely gave Rose props, or they are just Miami or Orlando homers.

That is absolutely wrong, you really have to have an agenda to think Lebron or Howard, who have superior statistical seasons to Rose and are better players arguably, should be MVP?

Rose is not a no brainer pick here...why does a pick for either of the other choices have to be about Rose for some reason? Not everybody is Skip Bayless. Some people look at each player and give an objective opinion. That is what I hope the writers do...

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

You guys realize that lbj is having a jordanesque season? right? I'm still rooting for d-rose to get the award, but let's not kid our selves. Dwight howard and derrick rose are in the conversation, cause we're angry at lebron.

B.s.

 

[houheffna]

B.s.

No its not...Lebron has been a very valuable player this year, not saying he deserves MVP over Rose, but to discount him altogether when he is having a better year statistically is unusual given the circumstances...

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

No its not...Lebron has been a very valuable player this year, not saying he deserves MVP over Rose, but to discount him altogether when he is having a better year statistically is unusual given the circumstances...

He implied that James should be the runaway over those two guys in that statement. And that is b.s.

Rose and Howard are the easy deserving front-runners.

 

[pinkizdead]

I think rose has a case for the simple reason that rose is the best player on the best team. If the award was best player in the league, i think you have to give that to lbj.

I'm rooting for rose to win it, but i dont care if he doesn't. It's a silly award. On the other hand, I hope rose win's finals mvp.

 

[Crystallas]

That is absolutely wrong, you really have to have an agenda to think Lebron or Howard, who have superior statistical seasons to Rose and are better players arguably, should be MVP?

Rose is not a no brainer pick here...why does a pick for either of the other choices have to be about Rose for some reason? Not everybody is Skip Bayless. Some people look at each player and give an objective opinion. That is what I hope the writers do...

What is this? Are you going to make an argument for or against stats now? Then act like writers have no bias? Give it up. When Rose is the "no-brainer" front-runner, other picks will be about Rose in more cases to make it the rule, and not the exception. LA writers are voting Kobe for MVP, Florida writers are writing LBJ and Dwight in.

I'm not going to defend the sheep-like following behind the first few MVP articles that happened to revolve around Rose, and make this MVP campaign the ugliest in the social-network era. It wasn't Rose's fault that he got that attention, but some writers with votes have made it perfectly clear to me, that they have an agenda against Rose for a stupid reason out of his control.

Absurd would be if each writer made articles that said, "Dwight for MVP" or "LeBron for MVP". But no, nearly all of them headline something in the ballpark of, "This is why Rose SHOULDN'T be MVP".

 

[houheffna]

What is this? Are you going to make an argument for or against stats now? Then act like writers have no bias? Give it up. When Rose is the "no-brainer" front-runner, other picks will be about Rose in more cases to make it the rule, and not the exception. LA writers are voting Kobe for MVP, Florida writers are writing LBJ and Dwight in.

I'm not going to defend the sheep-like following behind the first few MVP articles that happened to revolve around Rose, and make this MVP campaign the ugliest in the social-network era. It wasn't Rose's fault that he got that attention, but some writers with votes have made it perfectly clear to me, that they have an agenda against Rose for a stupid reason out of his control.

Absurd would be if each writer made articles that said, "Dwight for MVP" or "LeBron for MVP". But no, nearly all of them headline something in the ballpark of, "This is why Rose SHOULDN'T be MVP".

When discussing MVP, I have stated many times that there are different ways to look at who is MVP. Stats is one of them, and I stated that those who support Rose should NOT use stats as evidence because he does not measure up. What I choose to use as criteria is my own decision. But what writers tend to use depends on the individual. Stats is a big, big part of who they decide on. By looking at ALL of the criteria, including stats, its hard to dismiss Lebron and Howard. Again, they are both having superior seasons. Howard is without a doubt most valuable to his team....without a doubt. Lebron's failings have been examined, but his playing multiple positions on both ends of the court is often overlooked. I don't think anyone has to have an agenda against Rose to point to those observations.

What you speak of is a microcosm of the whole season...the magnifying glass is on the anti-Rose articles...there are plenty of pro-Rose articles, pro-Rose quotes that are spoken of. The spotlight is on the stuff against Rose. And why would someone like Dan Lebatard have an agenda AGAINST Rose? Why can't he be a proponent of impartiality in this situation?

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I think rose has a case for the simple reason that rose is the best player on the best team. If the award was best player in the league, i think you have to give that to lbj.

I'm rooting for rose to win it, but i dont care if he doesn't. It's a silly award. On the other hand, I hope rose win's finals mvp.

Let me just say that having a Jordan-esque season, in itself, doesn't get you the MVP automatically. He didn't win the award close to every season of his career despite being the best player for the vast majority of that time.

Second of all, if it automatically went to the best player on the best team, it would belong to Bryant this year.

If it automatically went to the best player on the team with the best record, it would belong to Manu Ginobili this year.

But I will agree that MVP is kind of a pointless award. Though, they do get it right the majority of the time.

James has been the legitimate MVP the last couple of years.

In '08, it went to Kobe and Paul was the only other one who might have deserved it.

In '07, it went to Nowitzki and rightfully so.

In '06, it went to Nash but I think Kobe deserved it more.

In '05, I do think Nash deserved it.

In '02, Kidd definitely deserved it and was robbed.

But they do seem to get it right mostly.

 

[Crystallas]

When discussing MVP, I have stated many times that there are different ways to look at who is MVP. Stats is one of them, and I stated that those who support Rose should NOT use stats as evidence because he does not measure up. What I choose to use as criteria is my own decision. But what writers tend to use depends on the individual. Stats is a big, big part of who they decide on. By looking at ALL of the criteria, including stats, its hard to dismiss Lebron and Howard. Again, they are both having superior seasons. Howard is without a doubt most valuable to his team....without a doubt. Lebron's failings have been examined, but his playing multiple positions on both ends of the court is often overlooked. I don't think anyone has to have an agenda against Rose to point to those observations.

Of course, and there is nothing wrong with a set of diverse thinking voters.

What you speak of is a microcosm of the whole season...the magnifying glass is on the anti-Rose articles...there are plenty of pro-Rose articles, pro-Rose quotes that are spoken of. The spotlight is on the stuff against Rose. And why would someone like Dan Lebatard have an agenda AGAINST Rose? Why can't he be a proponent of impartiality in this situation?

Exactly, and that's why Rose will get so many 1st place votes. He'll get snubbed by the small amount of writers who aren't objective, just biased. You're making the assumption that I don't recognize the good, only the bad.

Le-Special person is not the only writer that is making his "This is why Rose shouldn't be MVP" reality whackjob show, you also have thousands of fans, bloggers, and some which are respected opinions. They are attacking Rose more than they are promoting whoever they think is better.

I think Aschburner might be the one writer that hasn't written an attack piece on Rose, or the writers who supported Rose through twitter or their own medium. At least he's the only voting writer I have seen to promote his idea and not bash another idea.

 

[Bullsman24]

I think rose has a case for the simple reason that rose is the best player on the best team. If the award was best player in the league, i think you have to give that to lbj.

I'm rooting for rose to win it, but i dont care if he doesn't. It's a silly award. On the other hand, I hope rose win's finals mvp.

and there it is. it's not the best player in the league award, it's the most valuable player award.

 

[Anytime23]

Seriously, this argument is so redundant. Ppl are still having trouble grasping the difference of MVP vs Best player. Lebron is not the most valuable player in the league because of Wade. Sorry but it's just that simple. If Rose or Howard had Wade, it would be the same thing. I don't see how you could have two MVP candidates from the same team, just doesn't make sense.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I love how Miami loses to the Bucks at home while the Bulls beat them on the road. And I also love how Wade doesn't play and LeBron James and Bosh cough up a lead in the 4th quarter, while Rose brought the Bulls back from down 15 in the second half. And I also love how LeBron James attempted a wild three with over 14 seconds remaining that cost them any chance of winning the game.

 

[Gunzaan]

How MVP voting will end up:
1. D Rose
2. Lebron
3. Howard

How MVP voting SHOULD end up:
1. D Rose
2. Howard (by a slim, slim margin)
3. Lebron