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Derrick is "brutally honest"? Lol...I think the Bulls are ready to move on
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the thing of it is people are already frustrated with Rose because of the injuries. granted those aren't his fault its still frustrating that hes unable to stay healthy
plus his contract has kept us in a bind that has made us dead in the water for the last 4 years
with that frustration already filling the room and he gets up there and rambles off on how he can't wait to make another truck load of money 2 years from now (unprompted) while he hasn't been worth his current deal...its not gonna sit well
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I wanted to tank that year
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i think everybody is ready to move on
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I think everyone has been ready to move on for years
houheffna
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Derrick said something very stupid...that's the problem. Name another player on that level that talks about looking forward to free agency with 2 years left on his deal...unsolicited. It was stupid. Plain and simple. Brother man is about that money...and it seems, that's it.
And no, you don't stop bringing up the ACL...because that is when people started to notice that Derrick is full of shit sometimes. Sorry, he lost fans when he sat there on the sideline 100% healthy, eating candy while teammates sat next to him heaving into buckets and trying to get back out on the floor. Can't say I blame them
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[TD]Michigan (So.)[/TD]
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[TD]C.J. McCollum[/TD]
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[TD]Portland Trail Blazers[/TD]
[TD]Lehigh (Sr.)[/TD]
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[TD]Michael Carter-Williams[/TD]
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[TD]Philadelphia 76ers[/TD]
[TD]Syracuse (So.)[/TD]
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[TD]Steven Adams[/TD]
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[TD]Oklahoma City Thunder (from Torontovia Houston)[SUP][a][/SUP][/TD]
[TD]Pittsburgh (Fr.)[/TD]
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[TD]Kelly Olynyk[/TD]
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[TD]Gonzaga (Jr.)[/TD]
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[TD]Shabazz Muhammad[/TD]
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[TD]Utah Jazz (traded to Minnesota)[SUP]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NBA_draft#cite_note-JazzTimberwolvestrade-5[/SUP][/TD]
[TD]UCLA (Fr.)[/TD]
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So which piece of shit on this list would you have preferred? Oladipo is easily the best player on this list.
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More fuel for da haterz
http://www.si.com/cauldron/2015/10/01/derrick-rose-chicago-bulls-lawsuit-orbital-bone-future
http://www.si.com/cauldron/2015/10/01/derrick-rose-chicago-bulls-lawsuit-orbital-bone-future
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Now that there is a good chance he returns to health, I am not ready to move on at all.
Let's not forget that Derrick Rose at his best represents the best hope to win a championship. He's a superstar.
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I think his attitude and his entourage are inhibiting hopes of his winning a title. He seems more concerned with money than winning.
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Well it's not like such a thing is uncommon at his age. You don't really see guys taking pay cuts to win until they hit their mid 30s. It's not like Rose is gonna sign for the MLE. I still think Rose wants to win. I'd be surprised to see one of those get paid then fall off a cliff type of performance from him a la Larry Hughes.
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You saw 3 legit stars take a pay cut in Miami and people on this forum lambasted them for it. How long was it before Lebron got a max deal?
Rose isn't going to sign for the MLE, but he isn't a max player at this time. It is uncommon for players to talk about free agency 2 years before actual free agency. What he did is unusual to say the least...because it was unsolicited. Nobody asked him about 2017.
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That's true, but I think we can agree that such behavior is not the norm. All 3 made near max money anyway. I also thought that it was the premeditated decision to team up that got people riled up more so than the pay cuts they took, but perhaps that's just me.
I can't argue with you there. I have no idea why he brought up 2017. I don't even know what he was asked initially. At the very least, from the way it was presented to us, it makes it seem quite out of place. Perhaps that's intentional or perhaps Rose is just being an idiot with the media, or some combination of both. If a player were to talk about free agency 2 years before the fact, it'd probably be something like "I'm not focused on that" or "This is where I want to be" or anything like that, most likely not talking about how much money they'd make, so that's all on Rose regardless of context.
Just another PR hit for a guy who's quickly becoming one of the most disliked players...at least among internet NBA fans.
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Honestly, I think people were riled up because those three players (especially Lebron) wasn't playing for their team. As far as the Bulls go, it was written in stone supposedly that Joe Johnson was coming to Chicago. He didn't because he received a max deal from Atlanta (I remember getting into an argument with a certain poster on here who thought Johnson should have signed her anyway...he would have made the balance of the money on endorsements...but I digress). Those things happen also...all the time. Yet the Heat caught flack about it.
I really think that was a veiled shot at Butler...I really do. And Butler's response affirmed my belief even more.
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Yeah a big part of it was the fact that their team wasn't the team that was chosen. Though frankly, Miami was pretty much the only place where something like that could have happened without them taking extreme pay cuts. But yes, we see players take the money all the time. Happened with Melo just last year. Point is there, players do think a lot about money and choose it all the time and I don't think Rose should be necessarily vilified because he spoke out loud about it.
As far as the whole Rose-Butler feud...I still don't buy it. I see where the argument is coming from but I don't buy it. At least if there is, they've both denied it as they should. So props to Rose to not being an idiot there. The team also backed up that claim. So even if there is a feud, everyone's at least trying to keep it under wraps and away from the spotlight. I don't think we'll see a Shaq-Kobe situation.
As for Butler's comments...they don't necessarily throw Rose under the bus, but I see what you mean
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Just listened to the Derrick Rose interview on Bulls.com where he was asked about the supposed feud with Jimmy and he said he has nothing but love for Jimmy and how he was able to get to where he is. There was also something random about being black in there, but to me it sounded like a pretty reasonable statement. As far as that interview goes I thought Rose didn't make a fool of himself so...yay?
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Oladipo or McLemore
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Given the situation in 2012-13 I doubt they would have wanted Oladipo given they thought Rose would be the star PG again at that time.
McLemore hasn't been that effective either, though saw a steady improvement last season.
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You can argue for Oladipo at SG next to Rose since he never really was a PG anyway.
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I can, but I also play realism in what the front office has a tendency to think about.