Rose for ROY?

[Kush77]

I think Rose is a no-brainer for ROY, especially if he helps the Bulls get into the playoffs.

But do you guys see anyone else getting it? I think back to 04-05 and I thought Ben Gordon should have gotten it over Emeka Okafor. All the voters had this thought of "well since Gordon is going to get sixth-man, we'll give the ROY to Okafor." Which is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Everytime I would express my opinion about that people would say "well he won sixth-man," that's not the point. If a guy deserves an award, he should get it.

I even thought Elton Brand should of won it outright over Steve Francis, but they shared the award. Neither team (Bulls/Rockets) was good that year.

Will the voters go with Rose, or can Mayo or someone else, pull off a surprise?

 

[dougthonus]

Kush77 wrote:

I think Rose is a no-brainer for ROY, especially if he helps the Bulls get into the playoffs.

But do you guys see anyone else getting it? I think back to 04-05 and I thought Ben Gordon should have gotten it over Emeka Okafor. All the voters had this thought of "well since Gordon is going to get sixth-man, we'll give the ROY to Okafor." Which is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Everytime I would express my opinion about that people would say "well he won sixth-man," that's not the point. If a guy deserves an award, he should get it.

I even thought Elton Brand should of won it outright over Steve Francis, but they shared the award. Neither team (Bulls/Rockets) was good that year.

Will the voters go with Rose, or can Mayo or someone else, pull off a surprise?

I think Rose wins it easily. Almost all the press loves Rose for the award in everything you see. Of the major people in the running, he's the only one who will make the playoffs, and he's actually arguably the most important player on the team (which most of the rookies outside of Mayo perhaps can't say).

 

[Dpauley23]

You could make case for Love as most important without Jefferson

 

[Kush77]

I agree with ya DT.

But I go back to Gordon, he had the game-winners, the double-digit 4th quarters, and helped the team win 47 games. Not just make the playoffs, but had the 3rd best record in the East.

I don't trust the voters. They do stupid things.

 

[Gen.discomfort]

The only one i can imagine beating Rose would be Brook lopez, because he's more consistent than rose this year. But I still think rose is the clear cut winner because how much more exiting he is, and that he plays for a play off team.

 

[Jamfan]

Rose is going to win it no doubt about it. Mayo has really tanked since the All Star Break, Westbrook is a 40% FG shooter, and what's exciting about Brook Lopez?

 

[Dpauley23]

I thought they only won 41 games in Gordon's rookie season?

 

[dougthonus]

Dpauley23 wrote:

You could make case for Love as most important without Jefferson

I think that'd be difficult given that Love only plays 25 minutes a night.

 

[dougthonus]

Dpauley23 wrote:

I thought they only won 41 games in Gordon's rookie season?

That was his second year.

His rookie year was the magical 04/05 season where we were expected to be a real threat in the East until Curry and Deng ended up missing hte playoffs and we lost to the Wiz in the first round.

 

[Kush77]

Dpauley23 wrote:

I thought they only won 41 games in Gordon's rookie season?

No, they won 47 after starting 0-9 and 2-13.

I thought Skiles should have won coach of the year. But the voters were all over D'Antoni because he had Stoudemire, Marion, Nash, Richardson and Joe Johnson. they should have been good. Go figure.

Skiles had a team with 4 rookies playing big roles and won 47 games. I hate voters

 

[dougthonus]

Kush77 wrote:

Dpauley23 wrote:

I thought they only won 41 games in Gordon's rookie season?

No, they won 47 after starting 0-9 and 2-13.

I thought Skiles should have won coach of the year. But the voters were all over D'Antoni because he had Stoudemire, Marion, Nash, Richardson and Joe Johnson. they should have been good. Go figure.

Skiles had a team with 4 rookies playing big roles and won 47 games. I hate voters

In retrospect, it's hard to argue given that the Suns went on to become great for several years while the Bulls did not.

Also, at that time, Stoudemire, Nash, Richardson, and Joe Johnson were not nearly so good as we thought of htem shortly afterwards. Nash was a good player, but no where near an MVP player.

Joe Johnson wasn't even a good player prior to that year. Richardson really hasn't ever been that good even that year or any other. Stoudemire was very solid and looked like an emerging star, but he really broke out that season as well.

That team looks stacked largely based on what they've done afterwards, but going into that season no one was saying "wow look how stacked the suns are".

 

[Kush77]

dougthonus wrote:

Kush77 wrote:

Dpauley23 wrote:

I thought they only won 41 games in Gordon's rookie season?

No, they won 47 after starting 0-9 and 2-13.

I thought Skiles should have won coach of the year. But the voters were all over D'Antoni because he had Stoudemire, Marion, Nash, Richardson and Joe Johnson. they should have been good. Go figure.

Skiles had a team with 4 rookies playing big roles and won 47 games. I hate voters

In retrospect, it's hard to argue given that the Suns went on to become great for several years while the Bulls did not.

Also, at that time, Stoudemire, Nash, Richardson, and Joe Johnson were not nearly so good as we thought of htem shortly afterwards. Nash was a good player, but no where near an MVP player.

Joe Johnson wasn't even a good player prior to that year. Richardson really hasn't ever been that good even that year or any other. Stoudemire was very solid and looked like an emerging star, but he really broke out that season as well.

That team looks stacked largely based on what they've done afterwards, but going into that season no one was saying "wow look how stacked the suns are".

But Steve Nash was an all-star PG, being teamed up with a young stud in Stoudemire (averaged 20 and 9 in 03-04), and an all-star forward in Marion. Johnson and Q played well that year but were still solid players at the time. They should of been good. But voters, media, whoever, made it seem like D'Antoni pulled of some miracle.

The Suns had more success, sure. But for the 1 year of 04-05, I would have voted for Skiles over D'Antoni. There were a few guys I liked over D'Antoni that year.

 

[Bullsman24]

scott skiles was for sure a better coach than d'antoni, and in my opinion still is.

look at this year: they have similar teams with redd and bogut out. in fact, i'd say d'antoni has a better one, especially for his system. but scott skiles kept a team whose top three players are rjeff, charliev, and ramon sessions in the playoff race. granted, it was in the east, but their two best players were done for the season in bogut and redd.

d'antoni has a double-double machine in lee, an athletic shawn marionesque player in wilson chandler, and shooters aplenty, but his team is worse than the bucks.

 

[collisrost]

Skiles teams will always overachieve because of their defense, provided they don't tune him out. D'antoni teams will always overachieve because of their offense. These two are both very good coaches. You could easily have made a case for either that year, but I think the Suns style was just so appealing at the time and Skiles' team just wasn't exciting enough.

 

[dougthonus]

collisrost wrote:

Skiles teams will always overachieve because of their defense, provided they don't tune him out. D'antoni teams will always overachieve because of their offense. These two are both very good coaches. You could easily have made a case for either that year, but I think the Suns style was just so appealing at the time and Skiles' team just wasn't exciting enough.

I agree with this.

I can make the case what Skiles did was more impressive for sure, but I think D'Antoni was equally deserving really.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

Rose is the hands down winner.

Kevin Love came on late

OJ Mayo faded after a strong start

Beasley didnt get his first double double for months

Gordon has been streaky

Lopez has been good but not real eye opening because he doesnt play with flare

Westbrook has had some nice scoring games but just look at his shooting %

 

[collisrost]

I think it's obvious that Rose's the player likely to have the biggest impact on the league long-term. He's the only rookie that has a good shot oif becoming a superstar. It's obvious to me that this by itself will lead to him beign ovted rookie of the year. You can't vote for a guy who's going to be an occasional all-star when you've got a potential top 10 guy in Rose.

 

[Gene]

Rose has got it in the bag. I'd be extremely shocked if he doesn't win it.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

Say we took Beasley instead of Rose would Paxson be fired by now? Say both Rose and Beasley were both doing the same things but switch the teams.

 

[Jamfan]

I think Beasley has had a solid season but he isn't getting the playing time Rose has had. I think the Bulls would be doing fine with Beasley. Maybe a little worse.