Rose or Rondo?

[Lex L.]

Lex, you're being far from fair here. Rondo has a better assist:to ratio and about 2 more assists per game.

Once again, look at who he plays with. Ray Allen might make the hall of fame because of how he can shoot...same with Pierce. Put Rondo on last years Chicago team and the numbers go down, except Rondo isnt supplying the scoring Rose did as the primary scoring option.

He hustles and has a knack for the ball (rebound or in traffic or in transition).

I already said he's a better rebounder but then again, the Bulls, as a team, were the best rebounding team in the league. So, maybe there are fewer rebounds to be had.

He's a much better defender than Rose and also is better at getting into passing lanes and getting steals.

Once again, this is a function of playing on a better team. Rondo takes a lot of chances and its a habit he has developed over time because the Celtics have been schmatically strong on defense. Chicago has had good defenders, but they havent had Thibodeau, ie someone who closes off the lane and funnels the offense schematically. Also, again, the Bulls need Rose's scoring more than the Celtics need Rondo's.

He defenitely reacts quicker than Rose. I think as of right now, Rondo has the more consistent 3-pt shot (but both aren't good in that department).

Not really. Rondo is not great at 3 pt shooting. Its not even worth bringing up, if he is.

Rose is probably the best midrange shooter in the game, and both are great penetrators (Rose being the better finisher around the rim).

This is where the attention loving contrarian emerges. Rose is a better penetrator. He is also far better at finishing. Rose is probably the most athletic guard in the league. He has a vertical of 42" and had a faster combine than John Wall. The difference is that everyone on the opposing defense knows Rose is the primary threat and that with the Celtics, you have to respect Allen and Pierce normally. Even with that, Rose is more successful at getting to the basket.

I still say Rose is better, but most people say it's Rondo. And it's the vast majority too. I swear... idiots who vote on ESPN...

A lot of people base it on the fact that Rondo played on the better team. Rose created just as many problems for the Cavs and Rose didnt play with Ray Allen or Paul Pierce. But people are sheep. People arent capable of scrutiny. Many just parrot what they hear on TV.

 

[Lex L.]

now you're just being argumentative

Not really. Im not the one parroting what they say on ESPN (based in Bristol, CT).

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Once again, look at who he plays with. Ray Allen might make the hall of fame because of how he can shoot...same with Pierce. Put Rondo on last years Chicago team and the numbers go down, except Rondo isnt supplying the scoring Rose did as the primary scoring option.


I already said he's a better rebounder but then again, the Bulls, as a team, were the best rebounding team in the league. So, maybe there are fewer rebounds to be had.


Once again, this is a function of playing on a better team. Rondo takes a lot of chances and its a habit he has developed over time because the Celtics have been schmatically strong on defense. Chicago has had good defenders, but they havent had Thibodeau, ie someone who closes off the lane and funnels the offense schematically. Also, again, the Bulls need Rose's scoring more than the Celtics need Rondo's.



Not really. Rondo is not great at 3 pt shooting. Its not even worth bringing up, if he is.



This is where the attention loving contrarian emerges. Rose is a better penetrator. He is also far better at finishing. Rose is probably the most athletic guard in the league. He has a vertical of 42" and had a faster combine than John Wall. The difference is that everyone on the opposing defense knows Rose is the primary threat and that with the Celtics, you have to respect Allen and Pierce normally. Even with that, Rose is more successful at getting to the basket.



A lot of people base it on the fact that Rondo played on the better team. Rose created just as many problems for the Cavs and Rose didnt play with Ray Allen or Paul Pierce. But people are sheep. People arent capable of scrutiny. Many just parrot what they hear on TV.

I see you on all your points. Nothing's going to change my mind that Rose is "better." I'm just trying to show that there is a glim of an argument for Rondo, and there is... but it's just a glim.

 

[bossdrb]

No offense Dustin but i hate bleacher report. They'll let any ass-wipe with internet access to write there.

With that being said Rondo is better right now because he can play defense and had the the wingspan and hands to be a more successful rebounder. He's got the team around him to put up better passing #s. But he has really improved his offense since the Bulls series a year ago. He's become quite the finisher at the rim and the shot has improved.

But Rose's offensive potential is far beyond Rondos and we'll see what he's capable on D w/ Thibs coaching up him. Also adding a low post presence and shooter should help Rose's passing #s. Lets see where Rose is when he's been in the league as long as Rondo has.

Its a great debate though. Nice topic!

Yeah, but most people on B/R are mature enough for me to write what I want. It's a big place and I can get my name out there. It's not as bad as you think.

 

[bossdrb]

C'mon man... ya gotta at least thinking about throwing assists and passing ability into the discussion Lol.

Rondo's intangibles on the statsheet go beyond what Rose does... I think that's fair to say.

Sorry about that. I tried to take my time, but I didn't have much time. I had a few things to add but it's okay.

 

[xCraCKz]

Seriously? Rose >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rondo.

Rose's offensive potential and overall upside by far shadows Rondo fairly good defense. Without the Big 3, Rondo wouldn't be putting up all those huge assist numbers, and he has no offensive game. Just wait to Rose has Bosh and James to go to.

 

[Anytime23]

Rose VS Rondo's 2nd Seasons

PPG
Rose 20.8
Rondo 10.6
You could argue that Rose's scoring #s are higher because he's the #1 option when Rondo was the 4th.

RPG
Rose 3.8
Rondo 4.2
You could argue that Rose was surrounded by more length and better rebounders.

APG
Rose 6
Rondo 5.1
You could argue that Rondo wasnt used to the new additions on his team and that he didnt run the offense as much.

SPG
Rose .7
Rondo 1.7

BPG
Rose .4
Rondo .2

FG%
Rose .489
Rondo .492
Rondo has the slight edge but im sure that Rondo didnt attempt as many jumpers as Rose per shot attempt. I dont know where to find those #s.

FT%
Rose .766
Rondo .611

TO
Rose 2.76
Rondo 1.91
You could argue that as the primary scorer and passer, Rose carries the burden of the offense and TOs tend to be higher.

All in all they both have their strong suits. They both had very different roles on very different teams in their 2nd year. I would say Rondo has had the benefit of good defensive coaching and surrounding talent and that being in the league twice as long helps. But we can all agree that Rose is just a naturally gifted scorer and is better in that department in all aspects.

 

[Saluki]

Are they really your thoughts? Because it doesnt seem that way. It seems like youre parroting what youve been told because Rondo played on the better team.

Been told by whom exactly? My opinion is based on what i saw during the season and the playoffs. You call me a sheep on who just says what their told on one hand, but on the other u say i'm a contrarian just trying to get attention, even tho those are two completely opposite things. Seems to me your just trying to start shit just for the sake of starting shit. Who's really trying to get attention here?

That being said already been drawn way too far into this argument your reciprocating, so don't expect a response to whatever it is you say next

 

[Lex L.]

Been told by whom exactly? My opinion is based on what i saw during the season and the playoffs. You call me a sheep on who just says what their told on one hand, but on the other u say i'm a contrarian just trying to get attention, even tho those are two completely opposite things. Seems to me your just trying to start shit just for the sake of starting shit. Who's really trying to get attention here?

That being said already been drawn way too far into this argument your reciprocating, so don't expect a response to whatever it is you say next

Step away from the ESPN, dude.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Rose is doing better than Rondo did at his age

Rose also is quite a bit better at scoring and a better shooter and even at this stage. I also think Rose is a little faster and more athletic

however, Rondo definitely has the better overall skill set, being a better defender,better rebounder,and a better passer. His shooting and ability to score is still questionable but he can fill the stat sheet. Seems more of a pass first PG than Rose. I just think Rose is not a guy that will give you 10 APG rather 6 or 7 and drive to the basket and take more shots....i guess that's also because rose was pretty much the primary scorer on the bulls this season, while rondo worked his way to being a significant contributor due to having three future HOFers on his team.

Now who would I take? That's really tough..but Rose is still really young and may have more upside and potential..but Rondo is more complete at this point and just needs to work on his shooting and learning to become a #1 option because of the Big 3 continuing to get older and having diminishing production...I think I would take Rose slightly over because of his ability to be a consistent scorer and being younger and having a higher ceiling..but you really can't go wrong with either player imo

 

[JCM]

Rose>Rondo

 

[♠ B u c k e t s ♠]

One one One, imo Rose would own Rondo.

Rose is just about an inch better then Rondo overall.