ROSS MUST GO!

[CSF77]

Regardless. Rizzo called out the Cubs on how they run as a small market team with the revenue they generate.

End of the day Jed's job is to lie to the fans and tell them betime stories on how great it will be and how they are competitive. While the reality is the team dropped 100M added 50 back that they could flip

The difference between this time and last is draft order. Theo had top 6 picks. Jed has a 7 in his pocket. That translates to potential.

As of right now Crow-Armstrong might be as good as it gets. The rest have warts going on.

 

[Zvbxrpl]

They just extended him back in March. Pretty sure he's not going anywhere in the immediate future unless he does something particularly stupid in his personal life like beat his spouse.

The difference between this time and last is draft order. Theo had top 6 picks. Jed has a 7 in his pocket. That translates to potential.

What?

So Theo had top 6 picks and Jed has 7 overall, and that translates to potential? Do you mean difference in potential? Please explain this word salad of nothing, or at least gimme the name of the strain you sparked up before typing this. Sounds potent.

The difference between this time and last is that Theo tanked intentionally, albeit had some masterful luck in trades. Jed bought an assumed good SP and a decent OF that would have spots on most contenders when he didn't need to on contracts that probably aren't getting flipped this summer, if at all in the future. Theo had multiple top 6 picks. Jed picked 21 last year and has 7 this year. Let's see where the cubs will be picking summertime next year. If they do it right, it should be top 6 again.

Jed should be tanking if another championship is the goal, because half-assing and trying to buy and tank has gotten them back to the good ol' Jim Hendry days. Time for a sell-off before DFAs of bums like Schwindel and Wisdom then let the kids play.

 

[Chicagosports89]

Regardless. Rizzo called out the Cubs on how they run as a small market team with the revenue they generate.

End of the day Jed's job is to lie to the fans and tell them betime stories on how great it will be and how they are competitive. While the reality is the team dropped 100M added 50 back that they could flip

The difference between this time and last is draft order. Theo had top 6 picks. Jed has a 7 in his pocket. That translates to potential.

As of right now Crow-Armstrong might be as good as it gets. The rest have warts going on.

Rizzo is right. Unfortunately he, Bryant and baez shit the bed year after year and forced a decision on moving on from them or staying mediocre. Luckily the team made the right decision. Building an immediate competitive team after moving on from all your core players becomes a difficult task. It was pretty obvious they were either going to rebuild or try to sign and supplement a flawed core.

 

[knoxville7]

They just extended him back in March. Pretty sure he's not going anywhere in the immediate future unless he does something particularly stupid in his personal life like beat his spouse.


What?

So Theo had top 6 picks and Jed has 7 overall, and that translates to potential? Do you mean difference in potential? Please explain this word salad of nothing, or at least gimme the name of the strain you sparked up before typing this. Sounds potent.

The difference between this time and last is that Theo tanked intentionally, albeit had some masterful luck in trades. Jed bought an assumed good SP and a decent OF that would have spots on most contenders when he didn't need to on contracts that probably aren't getting flipped this summer, if at all in the future. Theo had multiple top 6 picks. Jed picked 21 last year and has 7 this year. Let's see where the cubs will be picking summertime next year. If they do it right, it should be top 6 again.

Jed should be tanking if another championship is the goal, because half-assing and trying to buy and tank has gotten them back to the good ol' Jim Hendry days. Time for a sell-off before DFAs of bums like Schwindel and Wisdom then let the kids play.

Don’t blame cannabis for his lack of forming coherent thoughts

 

[Zvbxrpl]

Don’t blame cannabis for his lack of forming coherent thoughts

I’m not blaming cannabis.

I just want to know what kind. I too wish to orbit Saturn.

 

[46plank]

It's actually pretty funny how so many Cub fans are just dumbasses who know so very little on how things are done. Let's go out and spend millions of dollars on free agents while in the middle of a rebuild so maybe our team can play .500 ball. That way we can't get one of the top three best young players in the draft. Maybe we can get the 18th best player....SWEEEET!! Then we can be .500 again or maybe if we're lucky we'll be 82-80. Who the fuck cares if they win 60 games? Will 75 wins mean anything? 80? Nope. Still hitting golf balls and not baseballs in October.

This exactly!!

 

[CSF77]

They just extended him back in March. Pretty sure he's not going anywhere in the immediate future unless he does something particularly stupid in his personal life like beat his spouse.


What?

So Theo had top 6 picks and Jed has 7 overall, and that translates to potential? Do you mean difference in potential? Please explain this word salad of nothing, or at least gimme the name of the strain you sparked up before typing this. Sounds potent.

The difference between this time and last is that Theo tanked intentionally, albeit had some masterful luck in trades. Jed bought an assumed good SP and a decent OF that would have spots on most contenders when he didn't need to on contracts that probably aren't getting flipped this summer, if at all in the future. Theo had multiple top 6 picks. Jed picked 21 last year and has 7 this year. Let's see where the cubs will be picking summertime next year. If they do it right, it should be top 6 again.

Jed should be tanking if another championship is the goal, because half-assing and trying to buy and tank has gotten them back to the good ol' Jim Hendry days. Time for a sell-off before DFAs of bums like Schwindel and Wisdom then let the kids play.

Let's see.

2012:. Almora fail but #6. Theo could have taken Atl's ace with that draft.

2013: Bryant. No doubts

2014 Schwarber. Bit of a gamble. Theo saves on this draft to over sign Cease who was a first round talent. Current TOR

And so on.

Theo had Baez in his back pocket.

Jed inherited Hertz, Marquez and Davis. (Morel is that is exceding expectations and might be that diamond in the rough).

Traded for a bunch of crap shoots and a close to guy in Kilian. Armstrong might end up as the big return from Darvish, Bryant, Rizzo, Baez and the others.

Basically Jed traded away 20-30 WAR and got back some gambles. Joc is having a break out. Schwarber got axed for nothing to save some coin.

This is what small market teams do

They can not afford market value so they axe players for payroll vs investment into a winning product.

It works for teams with history. Tampa and Oakland have a history of self production of talent. Chicago had a run built off of a string of bad seasons by design.

I just don't trust the Ricketts right now. They are small marketing the #4 revenue generating team and for no real reason other than profitability.

Hard line guess is need to flip $$$ to help daddy find Trump's next run.

 

[CSF77]

So this is my opinion.

The Ricketts are in profit generation mode for 'reasons'

Jed is doing damage control by selling the 'we are built to compete'. But the reality is they signed short term guys to flip for more farm filler.

David is not a play off manager. He was a discount signing for a transition team. But the narrative of 'we are competitive' is glossing over this.


Take 2012

Brought in a inexperienced manager. Then another and another. When they were in the window. Fire and hire Joe.

Why would Jed change if that is what works.

All he is doing is playing the used car sales job over the fan base to keep the cash flow going.

So 'reasons'

 

[Diehardfan]

Let's see.

2012:. Almora fail but #6. Theo could have taken Atl's ace with that draft.

2013: Bryant. No doubts

2014 Schwarber. Bit of a gamble. Theo saves on this draft to over sign Cease who was a first round talent. Current TOR

And so on.

Theo had Baez in his back pocket.

Jed inherited Hertz, Marquez and Davis. (Morel is that is exceding expectations and might be that diamond in the rough).

Traded for a bunch of crap shoots and a close to guy in Kilian. Armstrong might end up as the big return from Darvish, Bryant, Rizzo, Baez and the others.

Basically Jed traded away 20-30 WAR and got back some gambles. Joc is having a break out. Schwarber got axed for nothing to save some coin.

This is what small market teams do

They can not afford market value so they axe players for payroll vs investment into a winning product.

It works for teams with history. Tampa and Oakland have a history of self production of talent. Chicago had a run built off of a string of bad seasons by design.

I just don't trust the Ricketts right now. They are small marketing the #4 revenue generating team and for no real reason other than profitability.

Hard line guess is need to flip $$$ to help daddy find Trump's next run.

Good Lord.....as usual, a day late and a dollar short. @TL1961 brought this up yesterday. Thanks for making everyone read a page full of jibberish that everyone already knows just to get to a point that's not only old but previously made by another poster.

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[knoxville7]

Let's see.

2012:. Almora fail but #6. Theo could have taken Atl's ace with that draft.

2013: Bryant. No doubts

2014 Schwarber. Bit of a gamble. Theo saves on this draft to over sign Cease who was a first round talent. Current TOR

And so on.

Theo had Baez in his back pocket.

Jed inherited Hertz, Marquez and Davis. (Morel is that is exceding expectations and might be that diamond in the rough).

Traded for a bunch of crap shoots and a close to guy in Kilian. Armstrong might end up as the big return from Darvish, Bryant, Rizzo, Baez and the others.

Basically Jed traded away 20-30 WAR and got back some gambles. Joc is having a break out. Schwarber got axed for nothing to save some coin.

This is what small market teams do

They can not afford market value so they axe players for payroll vs investment into a winning product.

It works for teams with history. Tampa and Oakland have a history of self production of talent. Chicago had a run built off of a string of bad seasons by design.

I just don't trust the Ricketts right now. They are small marketing the #4 revenue generating team and for no real reason other than profitability.

Hard line guess is need to flip $$$ to help daddy find Trump's next run.

You’re going to be upset about them trading Joc now?!?

He’s 30 and has put together 11 WAR in 9 seasons. He was not a part of the Cubs plans. Get over it

 

[CSF77]

You’re going to be upset about them trading Joc now?!?

He’s 30 and has put together 11 WAR in 9 seasons. He was not a part of the Cubs plans. Get over it

Dude nothing to do with that. It is about value.

Joc helps Atl win a ring. Then now he is at 152 wRC+. AND who did he trade him for? Don't know? Ya sums it up as that guy is not on the team.

Jed got a few pieces back but this was a cash off load and most of the return was garbage.

If you want to keep you Cubby Chubby for Jed. Cool. All you man

 

[Diehardfan]

Dude nothing to do with that. It is about value.

Joc helps Atl win a ring. Then now he is at 152 wRC+. AND who did he trade him for? Don't know? Ya sums it up as that guy is not on the team.

Jed got a few pieces back but this was a cash off load and most of the return was garbage.

If you want to keep you Cubby Chubby for Jed. Cool. All you man

LMAO.....without question, you are the biggest windsock on this forum. It was just a couple of months ago you were telling everyone that would listen that your guy Jed was putting together a competitive team this year. You were even telling us that the pitching staff was pretty decent....even looking for a trade to bolster things. Posting new lineups and pitching rotations every other day.....LOLOLOLOL

NOW.....they are garbage, they are "turds".

 

[Anytime23]

longtime cub fan but joined post-first WS in over 100 years. #NotBuyingIt

 

[CSF77]

LMAO.....without question, you are the biggest windsock on this forum. It was just a couple of months ago you were telling everyone that would listen that your guy Jed was putting together a competitive team this year. You were even telling us that the pitching staff was pretty decent....even looking for a trade to bolster things. Posting new lineups and pitching rotations every other day.....LOLOLOLOL

NOW.....they are garbage, they are "turds".

W/E

Keeping Wisdom, Schwindel and Ortega as core players should have been the red flags. Targeting Suzuki did make this offseason a bit confusing. Then Stroman. So Jed added 2 guys that might have impacted the team going forward. And I believe that they will. The problem is the rest of the bunch. Every team goes through injury. Most teams have deeper teams where losing one guy doesn't kill the season.

Regardless this is my opinion of going forward. If a guy is not on the list he is either trash or trade bait.



SS Trea Turner
3B Christopher Morel
LF Ian Happ
RF Seiya Suzuki
1B Josh Bell
DH Nelson Velaquez
CF Kevin Kiermaier
C Yan Gomes
2B Nico Hoerner

This is a team that is built to win. D strong up the middle. 1-2 has speed.
Brennen Davis had back surgery and is out for the year. With the Cubs that means a 2 year delay.

Pitching:

Sean Manaea
Marcus Stroman
Keegan Thompson
Justin Steel
Calib Kilian

The pen is going to need a investment. Azolay and Marquez might give some high leverage innings but they need a closer. I would be good with Kimbrel.

 

[Chicagosports89]

W/E

Keeping Wisdom, Schwindel and Ortega as core players should have been the red flags. Targeting Suzuki did make this offseason a bit confusing. Then Stroman. So Jed added 2 guys that might have impacted the team going forward. And I believe that they will. The problem is the rest of the bunch. Every team goes through injury. Most teams have deeper teams where losing one guy doesn't kill the season.

Regardless this is my opinion of going forward. If a guy is not on the list he is either trash or trade bait.



SS Trea Turner
3B Christopher Morel
LF Ian Happ
RF Seiya Suzuki
1B Josh Bell
DH Nelson Velaquez
CF Kevin Kiermaier
C Yan Gomes
2B Nico Hoerner

This is a team that is built to win. D strong up the middle. 1-2 has speed.
Brennen Davis had back surgery and is out for the year. With the Cubs that means a 2 year delay.

Pitching:

Sean Manaea
Marcus Stroman
Keegan Thompson
Justin Steel
Calib Kilian

The pen is going to need a investment. Azolay and Marquez might give some high leverage innings but they need a closer. I would be good with Kimbrel.

What's the obsession with Sean Manea as a #1? You know he's been super mediocre throughout his career right?

Also I know Steele and Thompson may have swayed your opinion because their last starts were good, but more than likely they are both bullpen guys

 

[CSF77]

What's the obsession with Sean Manea as a #1? You know he's been super mediocre throughout his career right?

Also I know Steele and Thompson may have swayed your opinion because their last starts were good, but more than likely they are both bullpen guys

That is a fair question.


Starting Pitchers

Chase Anderson (35)
Tyler Anderson (33)
Chris Archer (34)
Kohei Arihara (30)
Chris Bassitt (34)
Trevor Bauer (32) – can opt out of remaining one year, $17MM
Matthew Boyd (32)
Dylan Bundy (30) – $11MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Carlos Carrasco (36) – $14MM club option with a $3MM buyout
Mike Clevinger (32)
Jacob deGrom (35) – can opt out of remaining one year, $30.5MM
Zach Davies (30)
Danny Duffy (34) – club option
Zach Eflin (29)
Nathan Eovaldi (33)
Chris Flexen (28) – $4MM club/vesting option
Mike Foltynewicz (31)
John Gant (30)
Kyle Gibson (35)
Sonny Gray (33) – $12MM club option
Zack Greinke (39)
Andrew Heaney (32)
Rich Hill (43)
Clayton Kershaw (35)
Dallas Keuchel (35) – $20MM club/vesting option with a $1.5MM buyout
Corey Kluber (37)
Chad Kuhl (30)
Jordan Lyles (32) – club option
Sean Manaea (31)
Carlos Martinez (31)
Wade Miley (36)
Mike Minor (35) – $13MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Matt Moore (34)
Charlie Morton (39) – $20MM club option with no buyout
Joe Musgrove (30)
Aaron Nola (30) – $16MM club option with a $4.25MM buyout
Jake Odorizzi (33) – $6.5MM player option with a $3.25MM buyout
James Paxton (34) – club option for 2023-24
Wily Peralta (34)
Martin Perez (32)
Michael Pineda (34)
David Price (37)
Jose Quintana (34)
Garrett Richards (35) – option
Carlos Rodon (30) – can opt out of remaining one year, $22.5MM if he pitches 110 innings in 2022
Joe Ross (30)
Aaron Sanchez (30)
Luis Severino (29) – $15MM club option with a $2.75MM buyout
Drew Smyly (34)
Ross Stripling (33)
Noah Syndergaard (30)
Jameson Taillon (31)
Jose Urena (31)
Vince Velasquez (31)
Justin Verlander (40) – $25MM player option if he pitches 130 innings in 2022
Michael Wacha (31)
Adam Wainwright (41)
Taijuan Walker (30) – $6MM player option with a $3MM buyout
Trevor Williams (31)

So SD has 3 guys on the outs. Joe is the guy that I expect resigned. He has become a fan fav and pitches their only no hitter. The other two I doubt that they will retain. So he will be out there. SD has the SP depth to be able to move forward.

If you look at that list he is a top 5 guy on it. Jed has balked on Boras too many times to expect Rodon. Other guys have club options and teams normally pull them unless that player is a injury risk and a complete loss for that year.

So it is what is given. Jed most likely will not trade for a guy. The Cubs are cash cows where they can keep their farm and invest into a issue.

At one point I was thinking that Jed might extend Miley but shoulder injuries are a bitch and higher risk. TJ has become common that almost every guy has had one. Shoulders are a whole can of worms that pitchers may never be that guy after recovery. Ala Mark Prior.

 

[CSF77]

But on Sean:

12.2 fWAR over 800 IP. I don't think that he is an ace but the Cubs need 2 proven guys at the top. I see Sean getting Stroman cash and that is fair.

This is why I keyed into the pen. Alzolay and Marquez both get up 98+ and in one inning work they could be a nasty pair for teams to deal with. They are weapons if used right. Kimbrel I doubt gets the same cash. If they are built that that then yes.

K.K. His brother is the head grounds keeper for the Cubs and both grew up watching Cubs games. So there is a connection in place. He is a captain type for the outfield. I do feel that he burnt some bridges this year with Tampa that they will move on. But I can see Jed looking at CF as a priority and K.K. being a strong bridge to Crow-Armstrong not to mention a guy that players can learn from.

As far as Davis is concerned he had a blood vessel nexus in his lower back and they had to open him up and fix it. So he is most likely done for the year. Seeing how they treated Marquez not seeing any live action sense 2019. Ya Jed tends to baby these guys a bit too much.

 

[knoxville7]

Dude nothing to do with that. It is about value.

Joc helps Atl win a ring. Then now he is at 152 wRC+. AND who did he trade him for? Don't know? Ya sums it up as that guy is not on the team.

Jed got a few pieces back but this was a cash off load and most of the return was garbage.

If you want to keep you Cubby Chubby for Jed. Cool. All you man

Lmao so now because you’re playing captain hindsight, you think you can do better than Jed or something. Mmmmmmk buddy

They traded Joc last season, not this season. This seasons performance has zero bearing on the trade the Cubs made with him. He was never going to be a cub in 2022. Get over it already

 

[Diehardfan]

What's the obsession with Sean Manea as a #1? You know he's been super mediocre throughout his career right?

Also I know Steele and Thompson may have swayed your opinion because their last starts were good, but more than likely they are both bullpen guys

You know, not more than 2 years ago I would've agreed with you 100% on both Thompson and Steele. Both guys are usually gone after the 5th, if they make it even that far with their 100 pitch allotment. The thing is that it's getting to the point that starters are now only 4 or 5 inning guys...no longer 6 or 7. You see them go that long from time to time but now there are middle inning guys to get to the setup man who gets to the closer. Staffs are 14 pitchers deep because of specialization. Also why W/L records don't mean shit anymore.

BTW....the "What's the obsession with Sean Manea as a #1?" shot was a good one. LOL

 

[Zvbxrpl]

Let's see.

2012:. Almora fail but #6. Theo could have taken Atl's ace with that draft.

2013: Bryant. No doubts

2014 Schwarber. Bit of a gamble. Theo saves on this draft to over sign Cease who was a first round talent. Current TOR

And so on.

Theo had Baez in his back pocket.

Jed inherited Hertz, Marquez and Davis. (Morel is that is exceding expectations and might be that diamond in the rough).

Traded for a bunch of crap shoots and a close to guy in Kilian. Armstrong might end up as the big return from Darvish, Bryant, Rizzo, Baez and the others.

Basically Jed traded away 20-30 WAR and got back some gambles. Joc is having a break out. Schwarber got axed for nothing to save some coin.

This is what small market teams do

So Jed with #7 overall in the draft in a couple of weeks AND trading 20-30 WAR for gambles while inheriting 3 names but a 4th is playing above the assumed level established by pundits and talking heads and this leads to potential? But small-market teams do this?

Uhhhh...K.