Saad to get first crack at Center

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Changes at center could be in Hawks' future</p>


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CHICAGO -- Changes are likely coming for the Chicago Blackhawks in the not-so-distant future.


Don't worry, the core will likely stay intact. There isn't expected to be much turnover in the team's wingers and defensemen. Wings Bryan Bickell, Marian Hossa, Patrick Kane, Brandon Saad and Patrick Sharp and defensemen Duncan Keith, Nick Leddy, Johnny Oduya, Michal Rozsival and Brent Seabrook are all signed through at least the 2014-2015 season.


Where change may occur, though, is at center. Aside from Jonathan Toews, there's plenty of uncertainty over which players will fill the team's centermen roles in the future.


Some center changes will arrive next season. Most notably, the second-line center is up for grabs again.

Brandon Pirri, Andrew Shaw, Marcus Kruger and Michal Handzus, all of whom have played center in the past, were thought to be the logical choices for the spot. But Blackhawks coach Joel Quenneville did away with that assumption when he recently said Saad, who has mostly played left wing in his career, will be given first crack at the second-line center opening.

<a></a>"[Saad] is probably the guy we're thinking maybe grab that spot, would be an option," Quenneville said during the Blackhawks convention. "It's something we talked about as a staff late in the year. It's something going into the season we could be exploring."


The 20-year-old Saad has proven he can be a top-6 forward. He's strong with the puck and has a knack for producing offensively. He also earned some time on the penalty kill as last season progressed. But he's not a sure thing at center, where distributing the puck and winning faceoffs are often essential skills. He may be able to fill the job, but training camp will be key for him.


If Saad does work out as the second-line center, the chips likely will fall in one way. Shaw is likely to remain as the third-line center. As long as he's being smart about his aggressiveness, he provides enough offense and defense to be a perfect fit for that third line. Handzus would likely be the fourth-line centerman. Kruger has played the wing in the past, so he'd probably move there. Pirri has the offensive skills to be a winger and may have to settle for that this season. He could also fill in for Handzus when Handzus needs time off.


Beyond next season, the center position will get more complicated.


Handzus isn't to likely re-sign after next season. Shaw and Pirri, who are both 22 years old, are restricted free agents after next season and what they demand in new salaries will depend on their performances next season. Shaw certainly could draw an offer sheet from other teams.


One would assume the Blackhawks would want to re-sign Shaw and Pirri after next season, but it may not be so simple if both players are costly. Blackhawks general manager Stan Bowman has to take into account the upcoming negotiations of extensions for Toews and Kane, the decision whether to re-sign goaltender Corey Crawford and the other centers in the Blackhawks system.


Pirri is just one of a handful of centers on the verge of the NHL. Twenty-four-year-old Drew LeBlanc, signed by the Blackhawks out of college in April, and 2010 first-round picks Mark McNeill and Phillip Danault, who are both 20, are right there too. Plus, 2012 first-round pick Teuvo Teravainen is expected to be a future star for the Blackhawks and is getting closer as well.


LeBlanc, McNeill and Danault will likely spend most of the 2012-2013 season with the Rockford IceHogs in the AHL. Teravainen, 18, will play at least one more season in Finland.


"In terms of center, we're trying to build it within," Bowman said at the convention. "One of the focuses a few years back in the draft was to get a lot of centermen. Now we have a lot of centermen that are sort of knocking on the door. I think what we have to do is give them the opportunity whether it's Brandon Pirri, Mark McNeill, Phillip Danault. Those are three young players who are sort of close. Drew LeBlanc is a player we added last year who is coming out of college.


"On the younger side, we have Teravainen from Finland. So there's five or six players right there over the next couple of years who are going to be in the mix. We're going to let the players sort of sort out who's ready right now. Obviously Pirri and LeBlanc are probably the closest because of their age and accomplishments to date. McNeill and Danault are starting their pro careers. I think Teuvo is going to be a superb talent when he gets here."</p>
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Lot of interesting stuff in here</p>
 

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Saad?   Has he played center before?</p>
 

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<span style="color:#800080;">Considering this is the low-budget option, why the hell not? </span></p>


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Seriously, is Pirri that deep in Q's shit list? </p>
 

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Whatever works, just as long as they're given opportunities. Think Saad played some center when he was with Rockford before the season began.</p>
 

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Such a slap in the face to Brandon Pirri.

Yeah, lets move a natural winger to center, so we can put a natural center that has worked his ass off the last few years to crack the team on the wing... if he even makes it.

This will probably work just as well as it worked when he put Kane there, the only difference this time around is that we actually have depth at center.

Why not try Hossa there? He's only played on the wing his entire career too.

Honestly, I can't see this working out. Probably just Q trying to stir up some competition in training camp. I would be shocked if Saad was our 2nd line center all year.
 

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I'm hoping this is only to light a fire under Pirriand Leblac's ass.  But realistically options are never bad.  If Saad proves he *can* play center that can help--even if he's a better winger or evn if Pirri/LeBlanc are better at it than him.  It still could be a better option than Kruger there.</p>


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The only thing I'd hate to see is if Pirri or Leblanc are better than Saad (or on the outside chance Kruger somehow plays his way up to #2C and serves me a steaming pile of Crow), and Saad gets the nod over them.</p>
 

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Only thing is that what's there to say Pirri needs that? What else, that have we seen anyway, shows that he was doing anything other than continually improving?
 

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Bickell/Toews/Kane
Sharp/Saad/Hossa
Kruger/Shaw/?????
Bollig/Handzus/?????

I already hate it.

Shaw is not a center, Saad is not a center, and you have two centers playing on wing, one in the minors who just tore the league up.

But Q just won a Cup, so who the **** am I to say anything.

I bet by the end of the season it turns into this, after tinkering with the lines a million times:

Bickell/Toews/Kane
Sharp/Pirri/Hossa
Saad/Kruger/Shaw
Bollig/Handzus/?????

Fill Morin/Smith/Hayes on that 4th line.
 

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Honestly, dollars to donuts Saad is at wing out of Camp.  Even though it "may not be necessary" I think the move really is only serving to make the rookie centers not complacent in thinking the job is guarenteed.</p>


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As if fighting for the opportunity to play between Sharp and Hossa isn't enough.  Hell, I'd sell Grimson for glue just to get that opportunity.</p>
 

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They are trying to keep Saad in the top 6, though this isn't the ideal way to do that. Bickell signing for 4 million pretty much bumped Saad out of the top 4 winger spots.


Nice to have too much depth issues. Quite a few options on that 2nd line at center.
 

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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Trev" data-cid="207448" data-time="1375482852">

They are trying to keep Saad in the top 6, though this isn't the ideal way to do that. Bickell signing for 4 million pretty much bumped Saad out of the top 4 winger spots.

Nice to have too much depth issues. Quite a few options on that 2nd line at center.</p></blockquote>
Can't be that hard... if they wanted to keep Saad in the top six, move Sharp to center.

But yeah, you're probably right about that.
 

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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Trev" data-cid="207448" data-time="1375482852">


Bickell signing for 4 million pretty much bumped Saad out of the top 4 winger spots.</p></blockquote>

True but Saad was given a great opportunity last season but had too many games where he was flat...when he and Stalberg were temporarily demoted in the playoffs I thought they both deserved the demotion even if Saad got back in graces before the next game. Saad's effort was inconsistent IMO and he has not even great defensively at wing, so I cannot imagine him at center.
 

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True but Saad was given a great opportunity last season but had too many games where he was flat...when he and Stalberg were temporarily demoted in the playoffs I thought they both deserved the demotion even if Saad got back in graces before the next game. Saad's effort was inconsistent IMO and he has not even great defensively at wing, so I cannot imagine him at center.</p>
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When he wasn't producing Q was on record saying he was doing everything right and playing well despite the points. </p>
 

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At least Saad kills penalties......so there's that.</p>


Oh, and he goes to the net and camps too.</p>
 

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Saad sat on the 1st line all season and had a great year. Sure he wasnt stellar in the playoffs but hell it was his rookie year. But why mess with something that was working. As for the speculation that Bickell's pay might be the reason for the demotion, if that is the case, Bickell can take that 4 mil and cram it up his ass.</p>
 

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Well you could say Bickell playing with Toews and Kane was working too. Plus, don't they almost kinda have to play Bickell at least in the top 6 somewhere if they want to justify paying him 4 million and also get the kind of production they expect from paying that kind of money to him? Saad could play well pretty much on any of the top 3 lines I would say.</p>
 

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Well you could say Bickell playing with Toews and Kane was working too. Plus, don't they almost kinda have to play Bickell at least in the top 6 somewhere if they want to justify paying him 4 million and also get the kind of production they expect from paying that kind of money to him? Saad could play well pretty much on any of the top 3 lines I would say.</p>
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2nd line?</p>
 

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I would say yeah but Q just doesn't want to put Sharp at center it seems. And I wouldnt call Saad potentially taking over second line center responsibilities a demotion either.
 

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I would say yeah but Q just doesn't want to put Sharp at center it seems. And I wouldnt call Saad potentially taking over second line center responsibilities a demotion either.</p>
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From what I can remember, Saad has always been a winger.  Center is one of the toughest positions to play in the NHL due to the defensive zone responsibilities and needing to be able to win faceoffs.  That's why a lot of guys who get drafted as centers end up playing the wing in the NHL.  </p>


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If he can prove that he can play center, then obviously have at it, but it's not as easy as going from LW to RW or C to W. </p>
 

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