Salary cap estimates and FA

[Shakes]

What do people think about the 56.1 million estimate of the salary cap? That would give us nearly 5 million left after a max deal.

If we were to sign Bosh, we'd still have money to go after a shooter. We've talked a lot about our weakness in shooting and how getting a max FA would still leave a hole. Do people's opinions change if we were to get Bosh and (for example) Kyle Korver?

On the other hand, if we strike out in the big 3, it also gives us a lot more room to move with two non-max deals (or absorbing salary in a trade).

On the down side, it does ensure the Knicks really do have x2 max. Are they a realistic threat now? I still don't think so, unless LeBron wants to go there, in which case I think they do get a second guy.

 

[TheStig]

I'd really love to pick up a Ray Allen or Raja Bell and focus on finding their replacement in the draft down the line. allen would give us a deadly shooter and a lot offensively and Bell would give us a nice big defender and a more consistent three point threat. I think with how well we finished the year, we have a serious shot at amare or bosh. And getting one of those guys to go with Allen/Bell would be huge if we can also resign Miller on the cheap.

I don't think the big 3 go to NY. Its too much of a risk. I think they get a boozer/jj type offseason and do better but not much more than a 4/5 seed.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Bosh + Ray Allen and resign Miller for minimum? I'll take that in a heartbeat.

Bosh + Raja Bell + Miller? I'll take that in a heartbeat too.

I think that you can't really lose in either of those scenarios. Replace Bosh with Amare, that's still pretty darn good. If anything like that happens, we should give management some praise.

 

[Shakes]

I'm not sure 5 million gets Ray Allen, I'm sure someone will offer the full MLE. I'm not sure he'll fill the role of shooter either: he fell off 4% from 3 this year, and at 34 it's hard to say it's just a blip. If he declines further next year is he going to help us much as a three point threat?

I threw out Kyle Korver because he's someone I'm pretty sure wont be getting more than 5 million, and certainly fills the shooter role. If we can get someone better then it's a bonus.

If we get Miller it would have to be for the minimum, as being under the cap we have no exceptions to use. Does Brad sign for that? I don't really know. I did think that if we got Wade then using our extra space for a big makes sense, and using some of the 5 million on Brad would make sense.

 

[TheStig]

Allen has recovered from a similar drop recently. Its a fluke drop and you better not bring up stats otherwise Hou will scold you. But seriously, Allen put up 16ppg and is a much better scorer than Kover. Bell would be a better option because of his defense. I just can't see spending more than a couple of mill on a shooter like kover. I think getting a guy like bosh or stat would open up the door for guys willing to play for less. YOu could probably even get a guy like TMac for the minimum.

 

[Shakes]

I won't bring up stats except to say that not many guys retain good three point shooting into their mid to late 30s. Not sure why, shooting would seem to be something that you'd keep, maybe you just get tired legs from running up and down the court at that age.

TMac I'd be scared of picking up even for the minimum. He was never as good a shooter as he thought he was, and he's got no athleticism now after the injuries. My worry is whether he could just be a role player, or whether he'd want to play like he's still a star.

 

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I'd like Ray Allen with the remainder of our cap, but I'd be fine with a guy like Kyle Korver.

Although the Bulls may choose to use that money to bring over Asik.

 

[pinkizdead]

if we got bosh and allen, and miller, i'll eat my own previous words.

 

[pinkizdead]

how bout morrow?

 

[clonetrooper264]

The thing about Ray Allen is that even if his 3pt shooting drops a bit, he's still a threat to go off from 3. And he's clutch, something that everyone here loves in a player. If nothing else, he can still get fouled and shoot a ridiculously high percentage from the FT line. Ray Allen would be a great fit here, no ifs ands or buts.

 

[TheStig]

Shakes wrote:

TMac I'd be scared of picking up even for the minimum. He was never as good a shooter as he thought he was, and he's got no athleticism now after the injuries. My worry is whether he could just be a role player, or whether he'd want to play like he's still a star.

I didn't get a chance to watch much of him this year so I don't know what he has left but I think he will certainly be better with an off season to prepare. Its also a low risk and high reward move. If you don't like him, you can just cut him. At the minimum, you won't lose much money. At the high side, you could get an above average SG. I don't think the guy is done and if he comes back at the minimum it won't be for the money but because he has something to prove.

 

[clonetrooper264]

I don't see TMac accepting the minimum, but that's just my point of view.

 

[pinkizdead]

i'd rather ask jordon to come out of retirement than go after t-mac.

 

[TheStig]

clonetrooper264 wrote:

I don't see TMac accepting the minimum, but that's just my point of view.

What do you think he can get? Keep in mind the min for him is essentially the biannual exemption, its almost 2 mill.

 

[clonetrooper264]

IMO TMac asks for at least 3.5 million. But that's just me. I could be waay off.

 

[Shakes]

If he has a point to prove part of the point could be he's worth more than the min. I just worry about former stars being able to swallow their pride and not be a disruption. Iverson worked out pretty badly, TMac seems like a similar sort of guy in that I haven't heard anything about him just wanting to come to a contender and win a ring, it's more been that he wants to prove he still has something.

 

[TheStig]

clonetrooper264 wrote:

IMO TMac asks for at least 3.5 million. But that's just me. I could be waay off.

He can certainly ask for it but realistically after this year who do you see giving it to him. Especially after the Iverson disappointment. Iverson got 3.5 but didn't see that in his pocket. I don't know if he'd be good but he seems to want to prove something and is a low risk, high return opportunity.

 

[clonetrooper264]

TheStig wrote:

clonetrooper264 wrote:

IMO TMac asks for at least 3.5 million. But that's just me. I could be waay off.

He can certainly ask for it but realistically after this year who do you see giving it to him. Especially after the Iverson disappointment. Iverson got 3.5 but didn't see that in his pocket. I don't know if he'd be good but he seems to want to prove something and is a low risk, high return opportunity.

Someone looking for a low risk, high return type of player for cheap. I could just as easily see him turning out like Iverson. I'm not sure how big his ego is at this point, so it could work out totally different for all I know.

 

[TheStig]

clonetrooper264 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

clonetrooper264 wrote:

IMO TMac asks for at least 3.5 million. But that's just me. I could be waay off.

He can certainly ask for it but realistically after this year who do you see giving it to him. Especially after the Iverson disappointment. Iverson got 3.5 but didn't see that in his pocket. I don't know if he'd be good but he seems to want to prove something and is a low risk, high return opportunity.

Someone looking for a low risk, high return type of player for cheap. I could just as easily see him turning out like Iverson. I'm not sure how big his ego is at this point, so it could work out totally different for all I know.

I don't think Tmac has the attitude or wants to wait till the last possible minute to get a non guaranteed deal so he could be a publicity stunt to sell tickets in a third rate market. I think he wants to prove he still has something and can contribute on a high level team.

 

[clonetrooper264]

TheStig wrote:

clonetrooper264 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

clonetrooper264 wrote:

IMO TMac asks for at least 3.5 million. But that's just me. I could be waay off.

He can certainly ask for it but realistically after this year who do you see giving it to him. Especially after the Iverson disappointment. Iverson got 3.5 but didn't see that in his pocket. I don't know if he'd be good but he seems to want to prove something and is a low risk, high return opportunity.

Someone looking for a low risk, high return type of player for cheap. I could just as easily see him turning out like Iverson. I'm not sure how big his ego is at this point, so it could work out totally different for all I know.

I don't think Tmac has the attitude or wants to wait till the last possible minute to get a non guaranteed deal so he could be a publicity stunt to sell tickets in a third rate market. I think he wants to prove he still has something and can contribute on a high level team.

I agree that TMac doesn't want to be the publicity stunt that Iverson was and that he wants to prove something, but I just don't know what he's going to ask for or how willingly he'd accept the minimum.