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Best Sg available. So yes, get him!
And Jerry, get him cheap!
And Jerry, get him cheap!
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He is not the best sg available. Wade is significantly better.
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Wade is better, though I don't think Wade compliments Rose's game as well as Johnson does...I personally don't think any shooting guard compliments Rose on both sides of the court better than Johnson when temperament, shot selection, abilities etc. are brought into focus, not even Kobe Bryant. I don't know about paying him the max though...
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A Ray Allen type is probably what complements Rose best. That's why when you put Ben Gordon next to Rose, we had such a dangerous backcourt to stop offensively. At least on the offensive end, the two players were perfect complements.
I think we should get a big man (Bosh, Boozer, or Amare) and then go after Ray Allen with the remainder of our cap space, and try to win it all next year with a lineup of:
PG-Derrick Rose/Kirk Hinrich
SG-Ray Allen/Kirk Hinrich
SF-Luol Deng/James Johnson
PF-Chris Bosh/Taj Gibson
C- Joakim Noah/Brad Miller
That team looks pretty legit as a title contender to me.
I think we should get a big man (Bosh, Boozer, or Amare) and then go after Ray Allen with the remainder of our cap space, and try to win it all next year with a lineup of:
PG-Derrick Rose/Kirk Hinrich
SG-Ray Allen/Kirk Hinrich
SF-Luol Deng/James Johnson
PF-Chris Bosh/Taj Gibson
C- Joakim Noah/Brad Miller
That team looks pretty legit as a title contender to me.
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Well Joe is younger, and can get you a legit 20ppg plus. He has the ability to drive, post, and defensively I believe he is a better option than Allen. He expands your options. 6'8" and 220 pounds is a very good size for a shooting guard. Allen is going to be 35 this summer...he is a good player but for how long?
And no, that team doesn't win you a championship...you put Joe in the backcourt and you have a better chance...
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I don't think JJ compliments Rose all that much better. Both need the ball in their hands to be effective. JJ has been primarly an iso guy the last few years in Atlanta and wasn't happy playing off of Nash in Phoenix and wanted to be the man. If he leaves, I think he would want to go somewhere to play with a big. Thats why I think a team like NY will sign both questionable max guys in JJ and Boozer. As PO3 said an shooter or off the ball scorer is best but I would settle for Bell and a big. I think Amare/Bosh and bell are better than JJ and gibson starting. I also think that unless Bron or Wade want to come here, we ought to spend our money on a pf and not a sg.
I don't think JJ compliments Rose all that much better. Both need the ball in their hands to be effective. JJ has been primarly an iso guy the last few years in Atlanta and wasn't happy playing off of Nash in Phoenix and wanted to be the man. If he leaves, I think he would want to go somewhere to play with a big. Thats why I think a team like NY will sign both questionable max guys in JJ and Boozer. As PO3 said an shooter or off the ball scorer is best but I would settle for Bell and a big. I think Amare/Bosh and bell are better than JJ and gibson starting. I also think that unless Bron or Wade want to come here, we ought to spend our money on a pf and not a sg.
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frontcourt is top priority, but if you could get both, you would be closer to being a championship team. As far as Johnson's skills, Wade needs the ball in his hand. Wade is a lead guard, Johnson is a shooting guard and has the more traditional shooting guard abilities...
I don't think Sam Smith would give the same analysis for Dwyane Wade.
I don't think Sam Smith would give the same analysis for Dwyane Wade.
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Both is nice but JJ isn't going to go from being a #1 option to a #3 option here. I agree he would look better playing next to Rose but I don't think with a big that translates to a 25ppg scorer. I am also disturbed by JJ's age and playoff performances. Personally, I don;t think its likely at all we get two max guys, I don;t think you could move Deng or Kirk for someone or clear instant cap space for them.
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what's he shooting in the playoffs? 27% from 3? Sam smith is proving that senility is an inevitability.
if we let gordon walk, traded away salmons, sent away tyrus, to get JJ, we failed. gordon + salmons + tyrus is better than JJ.
i'd rather trade for something, ask deng and rose to work on 3pt shooting, and pursue bosh.
if we let gordon walk, traded away salmons, sent away tyrus, to get JJ, we failed. gordon + salmons + tyrus is better than JJ.
i'd rather trade for something, ask deng and rose to work on 3pt shooting, and pursue bosh.
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I don't think he would be expected to score 25ppg, I got news for you, Wade wouldn't either if you put Bosh and Rose with him...
JJ is a year older than Wade...
This has happened to him two years straight, including last year against the Cavaliers. When able to show his versatility, he is a much better player.
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I just don't buy that he is being held back by coaching. Its not like they stand him in the corner and don't give him the ball. JJ gets his shots and should convert like other stars do. Spolstera, Del Negro and Mike Brown don't exactly run the triangle either and their stars still performed. Blaming Mike Woodson is a scape goat, its a players league. To me, unless you have a top 5 coach, the rest have a marginable impact on games.
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Of course Wade is a better SG, no question.
But I don´t see Wade leaving Miami. That´s why I said JJ is the best available.
Of course Wade is a better SG, no question.
But I don´t see Wade leaving Miami. That´s why I said JJ is the best available.
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There is no way to determine that till FA hits. Its not like Bosh where he has a foot out the door. Wade staying depends on who else they get. JJ his desire. I don't think he wants out that bad, i just think he is frustrated.
There is no way to determine that till FA hits. Its not like Bosh where he has a foot out the door. Wade staying depends on who else they get. JJ his desire. I don't think he wants out that bad, i just think he is frustrated.
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TheStig wrote:
The thing with those superstar players (Kobe, Lebron, Dwayne) is their ego. They normally want to stay at the team who drafted him. It´s this "I wanna change this team to a championship team!" If anyone of them leaves their team to play with better teammates they don´t get that kind of respect they want to have.
I really think they wanna avoid "He only got another title because he changed teams." - discussions.
The thing with those superstar players (Kobe, Lebron, Dwayne) is their ego. They normally want to stay at the team who drafted him. It´s this "I wanna change this team to a championship team!" If anyone of them leaves their team to play with better teammates they don´t get that kind of respect they want to have.
I really think they wanna avoid "He only got another title because he changed teams." - discussions.
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If the Bulls can't get any of the PFs I have no problems with them signing Joe Johnson.
The Bulls have to do something. You can't sell the 2010 free agency to your fans for a year and a half and then do nothing. We'll see if JR is willing to pay Johnson the max. Because that's what he'll get from the Knicks after they whiff on LBJ and Wade.
Johnson, Rose, Deng, Gibson, Noah. Without any major injuries that easily a 50 win team. But is just a 50-win team enough to make JR open his wallet.
The Bulls have to do something. You can't sell the 2010 free agency to your fans for a year and a half and then do nothing. We'll see if JR is willing to pay Johnson the max. Because that's what he'll get from the Knicks after they whiff on LBJ and Wade.
Johnson, Rose, Deng, Gibson, Noah. Without any major injuries that easily a 50 win team. But is just a 50-win team enough to make JR open his wallet.
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Even if the Bulls land a FA I´m a little worried about the bench. You nearly have to change the whole team.
Do you want to see any more of Pargo, Warrick, Murray, Richard, Brown and Alexsander?
You should have at least 10 guys who can play without hurting you too much.
With Rose, Hinrich, Deng, Gibson and Noah we only have 5 players. Johnson needs some more playing time to improve. That´s where Vinny failed.
Do you want to see any more of Pargo, Warrick, Murray, Richard, Brown and Alexsander?
You should have at least 10 guys who can play without hurting you too much.
With Rose, Hinrich, Deng, Gibson and Noah we only have 5 players. Johnson needs some more playing time to improve. That´s where Vinny failed.
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On a strange tangential note,
you know i always hear that from people. That the knicks will be able to get wade and lebron or another free agent simply because NYC is a great place to live or it's the mecca of basketball, or because they have the funds for two free agents.
the knicks aren't getting anyone. nyc smells like piss, and everyone's living there is an asshole. the weather sucks. the place that michael built v mecca of basketball, the culture argument seems lame. miami has a nicer climate and the ability to sign 2 stars as well.
you know i always hear that from people. That the knicks will be able to get wade and lebron or another free agent simply because NYC is a great place to live or it's the mecca of basketball, or because they have the funds for two free agents.
the knicks aren't getting anyone. nyc smells like piss, and everyone's living there is an asshole. the weather sucks. the place that michael built v mecca of basketball, the culture argument seems lame. miami has a nicer climate and the ability to sign 2 stars as well.
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That's the biggest question. When you have an owner who's grip on his wallet is more airtight than a BP oil casing there's no guarantees that he will pay the max for a player who's not considered a superstar in the NBA. There's no evidence to support that he would even do this for a superstar player. Yea he signed MJ to some big contracts later in his career but we were already the best team in the NBA.
I would take Johnson, though not at the max, which I agree NY will throw at him. But priority 1 should be low post player, no questions asked, no debate. We can find cheaper shooters to surrond Rose, but when there are 4 all-star low post players available you do all you can to get atleast one of them.
That's the biggest question. When you have an owner who's grip on his wallet is more airtight than a BP oil casing there's no guarantees that he will pay the max for a player who's not considered a superstar in the NBA. There's no evidence to support that he would even do this for a superstar player. Yea he signed MJ to some big contracts later in his career but we were already the best team in the NBA.
I would take Johnson, though not at the max, which I agree NY will throw at him. But priority 1 should be low post player, no questions asked, no debate. We can find cheaper shooters to surrond Rose, but when there are 4 all-star low post players available you do all you can to get atleast one of them.
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Johnson would be good to have...just not at the max. As someone else said, 1st priority is a low post player (ie Bosh, Amare, Boozer) then go for the 2 spot. I still like the possibility of Ray Allen though, because he won't cost the max and his shooting (while declining from his elite form) is still pretty darn good at the age of 35 or whatever. Rose, Allen, Deng, Bosh, Noah looks better than Rose, Johnson, Deng, Gibson, Noah...or at least it does to me.
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