Seeds of doubt are planted

[1COBearsfan]

“We as fans don’t know anything, so why are we even analyzing anything?” is a strange position to have on a fan message board.

Yes, that is the conundrum isn’t it? It’s almost like there should be a post count limit during the offseason sort of like a pitch count

 

[Toast88]

That’s not even remotely close to what happens every year and you know it. If it was only “thoughts on the draft” or “I think the team will do X but you think the team will do Y” I wouldn’t feel compelled to shit on every other response.

I’ll give you a perfect example: The Loveland pick at 10. People losing their shit over a “TE2” before a few more rational folks pointed out that his and Kmet’s skills are different but should perfectly(hopefully) complement each other. And that Johnson runs 12 personnel more than any other OC so of course this is his perfect scenario

Ok, but it’s just as likely Loveland never works out. People take what happens and use historical context and their own analytical thoughts to give their perspective.

Do injured backup players drafted high usually work out or no?

This isn’t rocket science. We’re all just giving our thoughts, man. If you disagree with those thoughts, that’s fine, but throwing your hands up in the air and saying “No one knows!” suggests maybe you should just sit these threads out.

 

[Canth]

I'm not sure why you are convinced that Loveland will forever be a backup.

 

[1COBearsfan]

Ok, but it’s just as likely Loveland never works out. People take what happens and use historical context and their own analytical thoughts to give their perspective.

Do injured backup players drafted high usually work out or no?

This isn’t rocket science. We’re all just giving our thoughts, man. If you disagree with those thoughts, that’s fine, but throwing your hands up in the air and saying “No one knows!” suggests maybe you should just sit these threads out.

Like I already said, it’s not the disagreements. It’s the jumping wildly to conclusions before anyone actually knows anything.

And I’m also “just giving my thoughts” when I respond like a sarcastic asshole. The offseason is a fickle *****

 

[SugarWalls]

Graded based on what? What some fucking stupid espn talking heads say? Or on what us even dumber fans think?

None of us know anything that is said in any of the coaching staff meetings. For all we know Johnson has said the OL moves this offseason are perfect and he just needs more playmakers & Allen has said the D roster is perfectly adequate but just add some talent to a few positions

This fucking overreaction(not just you, sorry aboot this. But the Special person overreacting that always happens 5 minutes after every draft) is maddening

Can you point to an over reaction in this thread? I am still high on johnson and still optimistic about this roster. I don't love the picks but I could definitely see a world where it works out. I could also see the bears win 8 games next year.

Is it really that doom and gloom to say "oh gee I don't absolutely LOVE how this is working out" ???

 

[playthrough2001]

Can you point to an over reaction in this thread? I am still high on johnson and still optimistic about this roster. I don't love the picks but I could definitely see a world where it works out. I could also see the bears win 8 games next year.

Is it really that doom and gloom to say "oh gee I don't absolutely LOVE how this is working out" ???

I think you’ve been busy in the comments section for Jahns article over at The Athletic. Otherwise, you have a clone.

I have a question for you, did you like the RB pick at all? I wanted one earlier and was really starting to covet Giddens as the draft was moving along.

However, Kyle looks just like Montgomery to me. Tough to tackle, always falling forward, occasionally getting a big chunk, and not turning over the ball. Also, he seems quick but not fast but still has some longer TD runs.

He’s definitely different from Swift. He looks like he’s capable of getting the tough yards. He supposed to be a high character guy like Monty too. He looks like he’s capable and has zero issue running between the tackles and doesn’t waste time dancing before the hole. North/South with some force…

By the way, I still hate the LB pick.

 

[playthrough2001]

From NFL.com

Grade
B+

Chicago Bears
Draft picks
Round 1 (No. 10): TE Colston Loveland, Michigan
Round 2 (No. 39): WR Luther Burden III, Missouri
Round 2 (No. 56): OT Ozzy Trapilo, Boston College
Round 2 (No. 62): DT Shemar Turner, Texas A&M
Round 4 (No. 132): LB Ruben Hyppolite II, Maryland
Round 5 (No. 169): CB Zah Frazier, UTSA
Round 6 (No. 195): OG Luke Newman, Michigan State
Round 7 (No. 233): RB Kyle Monangai, Rutgers

Grades
Day 1 grade: A-
Day 2 grade: B+
Day 3 grade: C

Analysis:
Loveland is a talented player, but we'll see over the next couple of years whether fellow tight end Tyler Warren, who went four picks later, would have been the better selection at No. 10.

I expect Burden to be a stud in Chicago, where he’ll team up with DJ Moore and Rome Odunze. The Trapilo and Turner picks addressed needs, even if the team might have jumped the board a bit for them.

Hyppolite was picked a bit earlier than I expected, but he has the quickness and toughness to make an impact on special teams defense. Frazier's a bit of a project in the fifth round, but he did intercept six passes last season. Newman could contribute at guard or tackle. Monangai could prove to be the best value of all these picks.

From the analysis section on Carolina’s draft:

“McMillan could be a threat in the mold of Drake London, but Carolina might have been better served by drafting one of the top tight ends (Colston Loveland, Tyler Warren) or defensive players (Jalon Walker) at No. 8. “

I guess Loveland would have been an even bigger “reach” at 8.

2025 NFL Draft: Final snap grades for all 32 teams

 

[playthrough2001]

From CBS Sports

“Grade: A-

Chicago Bears

ROUND PICK PLAYER GRADE

1 10 Colston Loveland, TE, Michigan A

2 39 Luther Burden III, WR, Missouri A+

2 56 Ozzy Trapilo, OT, Boston College A-

3 62 Shemar Turner, DL, Texas A&M B+

4 132 Ruben Hyppolite II, LB, Maryland C+

5 169 Zah Frazier, CB, UTSA A

6 195 Luke Newman, OT, MSU A

7 233 Kyle Monangai, RB, Rutgers B

General manager Ryan Poles appears to be in lock-step with new head coach Ben Johnson, as the Bears drafted two matchup nightmares in the first two rounds in Loveland and Burden. Trapilo is an athletic grinder and Turner adds pass-rushing depth -- plus upside -- on the interior of the defensive front, which was needed.

The Hyppolite pick felt forced. The Frazier selection made up for it, because he has elite-level upside as an outside, playmaking cornerback.

Poles understood the assignment -- foster an even better environment for Caleb Williams, keep the offensive line deep and add pieces to the defense. Smart draft.”

2025 NFL Draft grades for every team: Giants, Raiders, Commanders deliver; Steelers, 49ers receive poor marks

Let's grade every club's 2025 draft class

www.cbssports.com

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

all of this

also to @ZOMBIE@CTESPN yes, it's Poles' 4th year, 3 of those 4 years he was married to an Eberflus team that didn't really have a direction. and Eberflus definitely overstayed his welcome in 2024. I still can't believe the Bears chopped him mid season.

also the draft picks are a question mark until we see them play. no sense in getting mad about it months before training camp even starts. lol

Are you a Scientologist?

 

[doctorbear]

Ok, but it’s just as likely Loveland never works out. People take what happens and use historical context and their own analytical thoughts to give their perspective.

Do injured backup players drafted high usually work out or no?

This isn’t rocket science. We’re all just giving our thoughts, man. If you disagree with those thoughts, that’s fine, but throwing your hands up in the air and saying “No one knows!” suggests maybe you should just sit these threads out.

It's not just Loveland... I was able to accept that with the way with the draft came to them but I was expecting a totally different 2nd round. When you put the top 3 picks together it's a big wtf. I can accept getting one piece you think would allow your system to go, but then the WR? wtf was that? This dude will never get the production here to warrant that pick.

 

[bears51/40]

I really wish the Bears had aspired to be the Baltimore Ravens and not the Detroit Lions. Meanwhile many fail to realize the Lions are a running team. The Bears have nobody in the same universe as Gibbs and Montgomery.

True Bears don't have a Gibbs or Montgomery...........................But we have a vastly improved OL and Johnson's running game in 2022 was Swift and Williams who were very effective.

 

[bears51/40]

Seems to me, that after the bears missed out on Jeanty, Henderson and Judkins they might have just threw in the towel on adding a RB. unless they are looking at Dobbins in FA like I mentioned in a differentpost , why they did'nt select Watts is mind boggling

What round did he go in

 

[EDPeezy]

I wouldn’t be surprised DJ Moore was traded at some point within the next year or so. Of course that is contingent on Burden and Odunze developing. I know they can afford all 3 because 2 are on rookie deals. Somebody is going to be unhappy though. Moore being the odd man out if they were to deal 1 of the 3 is by far the most logical. Rome and Burden aren’t going anywhere anytime soon.

IDK. I don’t pretend to know more than these guys when it comes to this stuff. I just can’t imagine any way where all 3 are going to be happy. Poles and Johnson have to know this. There’s going to be an odd man out. And just from a contract perspective, Moore, even though he’s the only one that’s actually proven himself will be the one dealt.

Burden may not produce that much this year. Which may keep Moore happy in the short term. It’s going to become a problem before Moore’s contract expires or they can cut him without eating a bunch of dead money though.

 

[msadows]

I wouldn’t be surprised DJ Moore was traded at some point within the next year or so. Of course that is contingent on Burden and Odunze developing. I know they can afford all 3 because 2 are on rookie deals. Somebody is going to be unhappy though. Moore being the odd man out if they were to deal 1 of the 3 is by far the most logical. Rome and Burden aren’t going anywhere anytime soon.

IDK. I don’t pretend to know more than these guys when it comes to this stuff. I just can’t imagine any way where all 3 are going to be happy. Poles and Johnson have to know this. There’s going to be an odd man out. And just from a contract perspective, Moore, even though he’s the only one that’s actually proven himself will be the one dealt.

Burden may not produce that much this year. Which may keep Moore happy in the short term. It’s going to become a problem before Moore’s contract expires or they can cut him without eating a bunch of dead money though.

The odd man out IMO is clearly cole kmet.

DJ Moore just signed an extension and did not play much in the slot in prior seasons. His high is 17.8%.

Burden is a slot specialist. I dont see him as a DJ Moore replacement

The bigger question mark is how they will utilize burden/loveland since both thrived out of the same spot in college.

 

[Toast88]

I wouldn’t be surprised DJ Moore was traded at some point within the next year or so. Of course that is contingent on Burden and Odunze developing. I know they can afford all 3 because 2 are on rookie deals. Somebody is going to be unhappy though. Moore being the odd man out if they were to deal 1 of the 3 is by far the most logical. Rome and Burden aren’t going anywhere anytime soon.

IDK. I don’t pretend to know more than these guys when it comes to this stuff. I just can’t imagine any way where all 3 are going to be happy. Poles and Johnson have to know this. There’s going to be an odd man out. And just from a contract perspective, Moore, even though he’s the only one that’s actually proven himself will be the one dealt.

Burden may not produce that much this year. Which may keep Moore happy in the short term. It’s going to become a problem before Moore’s contract expires or they can cut him without eating a bunch of dead money though.

Moore was on borrowed time the moment he signed the extension. There’s a finite sundown we can see for his time in Chicago. It’s extremely predictable.

 

[Toast88]

The odd man out IMO is clearly cole kmet.

DJ Moore just signed an extension and did not play much in the slot in prior seasons. His high is 17.8%.

Burden is a slot specialist. I dont see him as a DJ Moore replacement

The bigger question mark is how they will utilize burden/loveland since both thrived out of the same spot in college.

This is why some people’s eyebrows raised when the Bears picked two slot receivers with their first two picks while other needs remain.

Doesn’t mean it’s definitely going to be the wrong approach, but you nailed it. It’s going to take a purposeful offensive approach to square those picks. Can BJ do it? Absolutely. Will he? Remains to be seen.

 

[SugarWalls]

I think you’ve been busy in the comments section for Jahns article over at The Athletic. Otherwise, you have a clone.

I would never pay for the athletic or any other sports journalism for that matter

 

[hyatt151]

The odd man out IMO is clearly cole kmet.

DJ Moore just signed an extension and did not play much in the slot in prior seasons. His high is 17.8%.

Burden is a slot specialist. I dont see him as a DJ Moore replacement

The bigger question mark is how they will utilize burden/loveland since both thrived out of the same spot in college.

are you saying that your offensive genius HC might not be a genius after all

 

[playthrough2001]

I would never pay for the athletic or any other sports journalism for that matter

It costs me a dollar a month.

 

[bears51/40]

are you saying that your offensive genius HC might not be a genius after all

Not at all..............Johnson has proven to be one of the best young offensive minds in the NFL over the last three years. He also has much more offensive talent to start with here in 2025 than he did in 2022 when he started calling plays for the Lions.