Seeds of doubt are planted

[SugarWalls]

It costs me a dollar a month.

No judgement do what you want I’m just saying idk what you’re talking about going on with the athletic and it ain’t me

 

[playthrough2001]

No judgement do what you want I’m just saying idk what you’re talking about going on with the athletic and it ain’t me

It’s all good. There is a comment that is almost identical to what you posted here.

 

[EDPeezy]

The odd man out IMO is clearly cole kmet.

DJ Moore just signed an extension and did not play much in the slot in prior seasons. His high is 17.8%.

Burden is a slot specialist. I dont see him as a DJ Moore replacement

The bigger question mark is how they will utilize burden/loveland since both thrived out of the same spot in college.

I think they’re both done here sooner rather than later. Kmet’s fate was sealed Thursday night. But I also think for the most part the fan base knows that. (Except for the ones that keep repeating that Johsnon runs 2 TE sets. Which obviously is meaningless because the second TE is catching like 16 balls. We’re not paying Kmet 12 million or whatever it is to block and catch 16 balls a season. He’s gone.) I don’t think people have really accepted what drafting Burden means for Moore though.

There aren’t enough balls to go around. Too many mouths to feed. You don’t draft Burden that high with the depth you already have to make him your 3rd WR. Year one sure. Not beyond that though. Rome isn’t going anywhere. The most logical prediction is that Moore at some point becomes the odd man out.

I also don’t think Burden being a slot guy really matters. If you want to say Rome replaces Moore then okay. It’s all the same. There aren’t enough balls to go around and the two youngsters on rookie deals aren’t going anywhere. That leaves Moore.

The only way Moore is a Bear after next year is if Burden or Odunze becomes a bust. I guess one of them could get hurt as well.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

It’s all good. There is a comment that is almost identical to what you posted here.

Stop outing his super secret Athletic account bro.

 

[EDPeezy]

I also have a bad feeling about this whole “he doesn’t fit this guys scheme“ stuff. “We can’t draft him because he doesn’t fit DA’s scheme. He’s not big enough.” It very much has a “We traded Greg Olsen because he doesn’t fit the Mike Martz offense” feel to it.

Basically taking guys off the board because they don’t fit. Good players fit anywhere. I felt the last few months I’ve been reading about “fit“ way too much. When DA gets fired in two years (hopefully not. I’m just being realistic) nobody is going to give a shit about how so and so didn’t fit. It’s just going to be “why didn’t we draft this guy?” “Well, DA was our DC and he only wanted players that fit into this size/weight category and yada yada yada.” I can already see the stupidity that’s going to come from that mindset.

”Why did you trade Greg Olsen? He was a great player.”

“Well, Martz is the OC and he likes big blocking TE‘s. Olsen didn’t really fit into his scheme.” How stupid did that look?

 

[Myk]

For all we know Johnson has said the OL moves this offseason are perfect and he just needs more playmakers & Allen has said the D roster is perfectly adequate but just add some talent to a few positions

I'm curious how you think we know nothing but then think BJ has the ability to know what he couldn't possibly know.

The whole point is nobody could know how the oline will be. What we do know is very clear, the oline sucked and this is Williams' 2nd year. It would be smart to overload on star oline than star weapons so if the oline isn't fixed there's a plan in place to have it fixed during the season.

It has absolutely nothing to do with knowing how players are that nobody can possibly know. It's about strategic moves which anyone can know.

 

[SugarWalls]

I also have a bad feeling about this whole “he doesn’t fit this guys scheme“ stuff. “We can’t draft him because he doesn’t fit DA’s scheme. He’s not big enough.” It very much has a “We traded Greg Olsen because he doesn’t fit the Mike Martz offense” feel to it.

Basically taking guys off the board because they don’t fit. Good players fit anywhere. I felt the last few months I’ve been reading about “fit“ way too much. When DA gets fired in two years (hopefully not. I’m just being realistic) nobody is going to give a shit about how so and so didn’t fit. It’s just going to be “why didn’t we draft this guy?” “Well, DA was our DC and he only wanted players that fit into this size/weight category and yada yada yada.” I can already see the stupidity that’s going to come from that mindset.

”Why did you trade Greg Olsen? He was a great player.”

“Well, Martz is the OC and he likes big blocking TE‘s. Olsen didn’t really fit into his scheme.” How stupid did that look?

People said the same thing about laremy tunsil and how he wasn’t a fit for the run scheme the bears had. People actually advocated for avoiding one of the best LT’s in the league because of this lmao

 

[jsu34]

Detroit ran the 3rd most 12 personnel. Kmet isn't going anywhere. Ben will be able to run the 2 TE sets he likes with Loveland and Kmet.
Believe it or not, having a dual TE set also helps the Tackles. I prefer to let it blow up before I start criticizing. I don't see any issues with what's been done so far.

 

[msadows]

I think they’re both done here sooner rather than later. Kmet’s fate was sealed Thursday night. But I also think for the most part the fan base knows that. (Except for the ones that keep repeating that Johsnon runs 2 TE sets. Which obviously is meaningless because the second TE is catching like 16 balls. We’re not paying Kmet 12 million or whatever it is to block and catch 16 balls a season. He’s gone.) I don’t think people have really accepted what drafting Burden means for Moore though.

There aren’t enough balls to go around. Too many mouths to feed. You don’t draft Burden that high with the depth you already have to make him your 3rd WR. Year one sure. Not beyond that though. Rome isn’t going anywhere. The most logical prediction is that Moore at some point becomes the odd man out.

I also don’t think Burden being a slot guy really matters. If you want to say Rome replaces Moore then okay. It’s all the same. There aren’t enough balls to go around and the two youngsters on rookie deals aren’t going anywhere. That leaves Moore.

The only way Moore is a Bear after next year is if Burden or Odunze becomes a bust. I guess one of them could get hurt as well.

I dont see it. Outside of YAC how is moore anything like burden?

DJ Moore has barely played in the slot in his entire NFL Career. Burden was drafted to play in the slot.

They are not interchangeable.

In todays NFL you need 3 starting WR's, this is the 3rd.

 

[msadows]

Detroit ran the 3rd most 12 personnel. Kmet isn't going anywhere. Ben will be able to run the 2 TE sets he likes with Loveland and Kmet.
Believe it or not, having a dual TE set also helps the Tackles. I prefer to let it blow up before I start criticizing. I don't see any issues with what's been done so far.

Most expect him gone after this year to save considerable cap.

I heavily doubt he's going anywhere this year as rookie TE's historically struggle, and the offense would depend on heavy production from 2 rookies if kmet were gone(burde,loveland)

 

[1COBearsfan]

I'm curious how you think we know nothing but then think BJ has the ability to know what he couldn't possibly know.

The whole point is nobody could know how the oline will be. What we do know is very clear, the oline sucked and this is Williams' 2nd year. It would be smart to overload on star oline than star weapons so if the oline isn't fixed there's a plan in place to have it fixed during the season.

It has absolutely nothing to do with knowing how players are that nobody can possibly know. It's about strategic moves which anyone can know.

It’s not that us fans don’t know anything(it’s debatable sometimes, though). It’s just that we are only fans and don’t have access to all of the game film and, most importantly, don’t do this for a living. Hopefully Johnson and his new coaching staff can review film and tease out any potential from the previous roster. The point of my post is simply that we aren’t privy to the position room coaches’ meetings to know what any of them actually think. All we have is game day and, in this specific instance, all of the draft-centric coverage by “draft gurus”.

I understand that this post is a major appeal to authority fallacy but that’s what we have to go on right now. Once the season starts and we get evidence that Johnson does or does not have what it takes to be a successful head coach then, sure, be critical to your heart’s content.

But right now stop(not you specifically, just in general) with the conclusion jumping with all of the incomplete information available.

 

[playthrough2001]

Most expect him gone after this year to save considerable cap.

Who represents “most?” CCS? People you know that work for the Bears? Your friends? The media?

Give us some context. There is a ton of value keeping Kmet on the team. He’s a good player too. If they cut him, they create an immediate need for an in-line TE.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

I think they’re both done here sooner rather than later. Kmet’s fate was sealed Thursday night. But I also think for the most part the fan base knows that. (Except for the ones that keep repeating that Johsnon runs 2 TE sets. Which obviously is meaningless because the second TE is catching like 16 balls. We’re not paying Kmet 12 million or whatever it is to block and catch 16 balls a season. He’s gone.) I don’t think people have really accepted what drafting Burden means for Moore though.

There aren’t enough balls to go around. Too many mouths to feed. You don’t draft Burden that high with the depth you already have to make him your 3rd WR. Year one sure. Not beyond that though. Rome isn’t going anywhere. The most logical prediction is that Moore at some point becomes the odd man out.

I also don’t think Burden being a slot guy really matters. If you want to say Rome replaces Moore then okay. It’s all the same. There aren’t enough balls to go around and the two youngsters on rookie deals aren’t going anywhere. That leaves Moore.

The only way Moore is a Bear after next year is if Burden or Odunze becomes a bust. I guess one of them could get hurt as well.

Why are we worried about DJ two or three years from now? Enjoy it while we have it. Lots can change in the next few years.

And just because TE2 caught 16 balls in Detroit doesn’t mean that’s what happens here.

 

[Myk]

It’s not that us fans don’t know anything(it’s debatable sometimes, though). It’s just that we are only fans and don’t have access to all of the game film and, most importantly, don’t do this for a living. Hopefully Johnson and his new coaching staff can review film and tease out any potential from the previous roster. The point of my post is simply that we aren’t privy to the position room coaches’ meetings to know what any of them actually think. All we have is game day and, in this specific instance, all of the draft-centric coverage by “draft gurus”.

I understand that this post is a major appeal to authority fallacy but that’s what we have to go on right now. Once the season starts and we get evidence that Johnson does or does not have what it takes to be a successful head coach then, sure, be critical to your heart’s content.

But right now stop(not you specifically, just in general) with the conclusion jumping with all of the incomplete information available.

I fully admit my assessment of the new FA oline is very shallow. And I really don't care to go into it deeper, I'd rather wait and see than waste my summer analyzing.

But Poles' authority has been to mostly ignore oline, do little to identify and fix problems on the oline, and his history here has been to defend obvious problems.
I would hope that even if someone still doesn't believe Morgan was an issue that every Bear fan was floored when Poles said Whitehair was a good center. And then that was his excuse to avoid the best Center draft I recall (even if there were as good or better before I was paying attention to drafts that's still a long time I have been).

So these professionals are fallible and they have bias. And most of all they will lie to cover their asses to do whatever they want. Poles wanted to give his HC DBs so Poles lied and told us Whitehair was a good Center, and we all knew it was a lie and that there was no way he watched any film to say that.

I just can't have blind faith for a new HC I know little about.

 

[1COBearsfan]

I fully admit my assessment of the new FA oline is very shallow. And I really don't care to go into it deeper, I'd rather wait and see than waste my summer analyzing.

But Poles' authority has been to mostly ignore oline, do little to identify and fix problems on the oline, and his history here has been to defend obvious problems.
I would hope that even if someone still doesn't believe Morgan was an issue that every Bear fan was floored when Poles said Whitehair was a good center. And then that was his excuse to avoid the best Center draft I recall (even if there were as good or better before I was paying attention to drafts that's still a long time I have been).

So these professionals are fallible and they have bias. And most of all they will lie to cover their asses to do whatever they want. Poles wanted to give his HC DBs so Poles lied and told us Whitehair was a good Center, and we all knew it was a lie and that there was no way he watched any film to say that.

I just can't have blind faith for a new HC I know little about.

I’m going to give Morgan a slight pass. I remember him being a decent OL coach when he was hired and before Waldren was hired the OL was at least middle of the pack, not amazing but not complete garbage. As soon as Waldren showed up he wanted to run some new blocking scheme that was confusing and didn’t suit the players skill set. That and Waldren being a complete tool are my interpretations of why the offense was such trash

To some degree a GM works for the HC(I can’t wait for this to be taken wildly out of context). If the HC says he needs X style of players, why wouldn’t the GM sign these players? If Eberflus and his coordinators were telling Poles to sign everyone on the roster and he got them, doesn’t this reflect more negatively on Eberflus? But listen, I get the criticism of Poles as well. Hopefully this Johnson/Allen team will work

My problem with the offseason in general and especially one where there are so many changes is not that people have questions or concerns. It’s the typical overreaction and/or jumping to ridiculous conclusions, like the original premise of this thread.

 

[Forty-six]

I think it's reasonable to think Ben will bring a lot of the same ideas he developed in Detroit here to Chicago. I know he said he's going to build the offense around the skill sets of the players the Bears currently have but that doesn't mean he's starting 100% from scratch.

When Phil Jackson took the Lakers job he brought the triangle with him. I'm sure he tweaked the offense in LA because he had a dominant big man in Shaq and the Bulls obviously had MJ (two totally different players) but the bones of what Phil did in Chicago and LA were the same. I expect Ben to tailor the offense to the skill sets of players he inherited and draft guys that have a similar profile to what worked in Detroit.

Ben is also one of the most creative and innovative offensive minds in the league and I don't think that will change here in Chicago. I would expect him to continue to innovate and create new stuff going forward.

 

[Myk]

I’m going to give Morgan a slight pass. I remember him being a decent OL coach when he was hired and before Waldren was hired the OL was at least middle of the pack, not amazing but not complete garbage. As soon as Waldren showed up he wanted to run some new blocking scheme that was confusing and didn’t suit the players skill set. That and Waldren being a complete tool are my interpretations of why the offense was such trash

To some degree a GM works for the HC(I can’t wait for this to be taken wildly out of context). If the HC says he needs X style of players, why wouldn’t the GM sign these players? If Eberflus and his coordinators were telling Poles to sign everyone on the roster and he got them, doesn’t this reflect more negatively on Eberflus? But listen, I get the criticism of Poles as well. Hopefully this Johnson/Allen team will work

My problem with the offseason in general and especially one where there are so many changes is not that people have questions or concerns. It’s the typical overreaction and/or jumping to ridiculous conclusions, like the original premise of this thread.

I don't know what you were watching but the oline was bad as long as Morgan was here (as long as Poles was here), he just wasn't blamed until we saw more players doing the same thing and leaving unblocked defense to have a clear running shot at the QB.
People blamed Fields instead because that was the narrative they wanted to spin. It's a Bears fan thing. 40 some QBs were all bad QBs, no blame for the coaches.

Waldron was here for a few months. The oline problem has been going on a lot longer than that. There is nothing he could've done to cause the oline to part like the Red Sea. Waldron is the narrative you want to spin.
Stop looking for someone you don't like to soak up the blame. Start looking for a constant that could be the problem back to when the problem started.

Morgan's career path seems to be one that isn't able to make anything above assistant coach stick. And he isn't even good at keeping those jobs. Poles and the Falcons are the only ones who thought he was any good.

To ZERO degree is the GM below HC. You don't have the underling hire their boss. They are a partnership with the GM having more power but it shouldn't be adversarial.
The HC wants X players, generally offense for an offensive HC and vice versa. The GM is the voice of reason to build the whole team and try to provide what the HC wants.
We've seen it with Poles through different HCs. He does what he's told like he is the underling. That's not what a GM is.
Poles is doing his old job as Director of Personnel not GM.