Senead O'Connor

[ijustposthere]

Agreed. And while there is lots to criticize about the sate of news media today, this is not near the top, and hardly rates.

I find it more interesting that likely the majority of people hailing her now, probably crucified her then.

And pretty well all of the people touting that obnoxious child trafficking movie also crucified her then.

How do you know about that movie when Hollywood is trying so hard to keep it down?????

 

[KittiesKorner]

How do you know about that movie when Hollywood is trying so hard to keep it down?????

the one that stars Jesus with blond highlights?

 

[KittiesKorner]

Agreed. And while there is lots to criticize about the sate of news media today, this is not near the top, and hardly rates.

I find it more interesting that likely the majority of people hailing her now, probably crucified her then.

And pretty well all of the people touting that obnoxious child trafficking movie also crucified her then.

Morrissey Slams Sinead O'Connor Tributes: 'You Praise Her Now Only Because It Is Too Late'

Morrissey has published a critical letter slamming tributes to Sinead O'Connor, positioning the reactions to the singer's death as being hypocritical.

www.rollingstone.com

 

[KittiesKorner]

@Xuder O'Clam I get that Moz is not always the best source of ideological viewpoints these days, but what you said resonated with what he said

 

[Xuder O'Clam]

@Xuder O'Clam I get that Moz is not always the best source of ideological viewpoints these days, but what you said resonated with what he said

He's right in this instance.

 

[KittiesKorner]

He's right in this instance.

Absolutely agree

 

[Heidenlarm]

Can't read the article, but by the head line and first couple sentences. Yes.

 

[EDPeezy]

I don't blame you for being mislead. I've heard it repeated many times that O'Connor did it for the RC sexual abuse. And it was all incorrect. She stated at length why she ripped up the picture the next day in an interview. And she repeated that same reason in other interviews.

She said all of the main ills of Irish society (including things like alcoholism and domestic abuse) is caused by child abuse (which she says she was a daily victim at the hands of her mother). And this was caused by the English invasion of Ireland, splitting up families, repressing their language, culture, beliefs and not allowing them to teach their own children. And also exasperating the Great Potato Famine. And that the Pope permission for the invasion, knowing the English used starvation as a method for control.

The RC sexual abuse explicitly was not her reason. I mean you could throw it in there along with alcoholism and domestic violence, but that's beside the point. People tend to believe what that want to. I'm not Catholic, but untruths really bug me.

It's all in video if you need proof. It's kinda sad too that the beginning of the video has a text crawl that says she was protesting the RC sex abuse, but to anyone who listens to her she makes clear the reason was that the Pope gave permission to take over Ireland.

Don’t know enough about all of this. Odd that the pope would want England, who left the Catholic Church so their king could get a divorce would want them to take over a Catholic country though.

 

[Sculpt]

Don’t know enough about all of this. Odd that the pope would want England, who left the Catholic Church so their king could get a divorce would want them to take over a Catholic country though.

Good question. I'm just summarizing what O'Connor said in the interview. The short answer is the English invaded Ireland in 1155 AD; whereas the papacy lost direct control in England 1527 AD.

I would suggest her emphasis was one of practical reasoning regarding causes of social ills such as child abuse... rather than very specific history.

Historical Date Background
Christianity came to both Ireland and great britan at the same time, probably somewhere around 250-300 AD. At the time there was just the Church, which was many church communities.

The Roman church slowly became "special" and seen as the head, and eventually "the Pope", which really came to a head in 1054 AD with the East-West Schism. Protestantism would not come into existence until 1517 AD with Martin Luther. As you said, in 1527 AD King Henry VIII put an end to all papal jurisdiction in England with the birth of the Anglican church.

English (Anglo-Norman Invasion of Ireland
With a little research, I did find the concept of Laudabiliter, which some say was a papal bull (papal charter) issued in 1155 AD by Pope Adrian IV who was the only English (Anglo-Norman) pope, that sanctioned the Anglo-Norman invasion of Ireland, with the purpose of enforcing the Gregorian Reforms on the semi-autonomous Christian Church in Ireland. I read the document either never existed or no longer exists; its existence debated. You can checkout the wiki links on this Anglo-Norman invasion of Ireland, and Laudabiliter.

The Great Potato Famine, No Pope Connection
The Great Potato Famine was between 1845 to 1852. Generally speaking the British partially employed a laisser-faire response to the famine. Food was allowed to be exported from England during the famine. I couldn't find any negative, or pro-famine response by the Roman Catholic church (RC)... and O'Connor did not say RC was involved in that. Indeed, "Pope Pius IX made a personal contribution of 1,000 Scudi (approximately £213) for famine relief in Ireland and authorized collections in Rome. Most significantly, on 25 March 1847, Pius IX issued the encyclical Praedecessores nostros, which called the whole Catholic world to contribute moneywise and spiritually to Irish relief." (from wiki Great Famine (Ireland))

I did read more recent research indicating the urban Irish Catholics, who attended Mass weekly, were not as helpful as they could have been to the rural Catholics whose attendance was much laxer. Wiki reads there was an attitude that the potato famine was partially caused by poor character of the rural Irish. Much land was acquired by certain folks during the famine, including the RC. I'd suggest no one would argue the famine cause was potato blight; and many people not doing enough to help, and probably some benefitting in an immoral way. Famine role of Irish church criticised by Catholic paper