Shane Battier made his decison

[Chi-Town Brahma]

Complete NBA Siberia.

I just love that their fanbase actually thinks they are Lakers Jr. or something.....I mean, I from a mid-size city not super far out of Pittsburgh & I know 2 Clipper fans. It's hilarious. They believe they are a hot spot for big stars & titles to come. That's a big NO.

I just think this most of the time..."guys, you have an overrated F/C that just dunks & plays no defense. yeah, your team is going places alright." :bowrofl:

 

[bwilde]

All they have to do is say teams are only allowed one max contract worth a certain % of the teams capital. Unless the players were drafted by the team willing to offer the contract. That way everyream has a better shot of getting an all star and no more stacking unless players are willimg to take half a max contract.

 

[Scoot26]

All they have to do is say teams are only allowed one max contract worth a certain % of the teams capital. Unless the players were drafted by the team willing to offer the contract. That way everyream has a better shot of getting an all star and no more stacking unless players are willimg to take half a max contract.

The Miami Heat would still happen that way. They would have all taken less money to play together no matter what.

 

[FirstTimer]

I thought part of the new CBA would be to immediately eliminate the potential to create teams like this. Stern talks about how he wants parity in the league, but in reality, I do not think he does. He enjoys seeing teams stacked like the Heat, Lakers, Celtics, Knicks. The Bulls would also fall into that cateogory, but we actually tried to construct a team the conventional way. Its simply just about the money and the fact is the biggest markets make the most money. If the NBA had the popularity of the NFL where it doesnt entirely matter what team goes where, they could be in a better position to make rules that allow for such parity as the NFL does.

Another flip side is Stern wants to allow other teams to potentially create a nemesis to Miami by still allowing other teams to create such teams (Such as the rumors flying out that the Lakers want Howard and Paul, or Paul simply going to the Knicks).

Not true at all. The Bulls went all out after each one of those big name guys and tried to pair two of them with their own emerging star. The Bulls weren't trying to build in a conventional sense. They were trying to slug it out and throw money around just like everyone else.

Let's not get this twisted. If the Bulls didn't have the Deng deal on the books they would have been out there throwing around even more cash.



Anyways...



Battier is a great move for Miami. Fits perfectly. + defender. Very good shooter. Great locker room guy. Tremendous veteran prescence

 

[Utahbullsfan]

Not true at all. The Bulls went all out after each one of those big name guys and tried to pair two of them with their own emerging star. The Bulls weren't trying to build in a conventional sense. They were trying to slug it out and throw money around just like everyone else.

Let's not get this twisted. If the Bulls didn't have the Deng deal on the books they would have been out there throwing around even more cash.



Anyways...



Battier is a great move for Miami. Fits perfectly. + defender. Very good shooter. Great locker room guy. Tremendous veteran prescence

They still are weak at Point Guard and inside..... hopefully Boozer/Noah step their shit up!

 

[FirstTimer]

They still are weak at Point Guard

If James swngs around and plays point a bit it helps. The talent level is way deeper and I still like Bosh over Boozer. Obviously Noah is better than what the Heat have but Noah isn't a difference maker. The Heat have a bit of depth at center. The Bulls have them there in any case but I think Bulls fans are kidding themselves if the gap didn't just get wider with this signing with the Heat already having James, Wade, and Bosh.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Screw Battier

He won't be so cool when he gets bent over in the lockeroom by the three *** divas during his intitiation into the *** gang.

 

[bwilde]

I don't think james and bosh would settle for 6 years 60 million to play together. If a max player is 30% of the teams salary. Then no other player can be over 15-20% of the cap would end all of this talk between players to form superteams and make the game more balanced and watchable.

 

[Utahbullsfan]

If James swngs around and plays point a bit it helps. The talent level is way deeper and I still like Bosh over Boozer. Obviously Noah is better than what the Heat have but Noah isn't a difference maker. The Heat have a bit of depth at center. The Bulls have them there in any case but I think Bulls fans are kidding themselves if the gap didn't just get wider with this signing with the Heat already having James, Wade, and Bosh.

I didnt say it didnt improve their team but they didnt really improve on their weaknesses

 

[houheffna]

It's not about having 3 all stars. It's about blowing up your team years in advance for the biggest FA period the NBA has ever seen. Having these all-stars secretly plan this whole thing with Pat Riley years in advance. It's about having all of these franchise players(and Bosh is a franchise player)all declining max contracts to play together and then everyone else is taking less.

I wouldn't want that on the Bulls. The NBA hasn't had parity in years and it's getting worse. I'm all for your franchise player like a Tim Duncan take less and say get some more pieces. But a whole team? It's not fair to the rest of the league. There's gotta be some kind of limitations here. The NBA is a fn joke.

People wondered by the Heat put questionable pieces around wade the past few years and why they didn't trade Beasley to the Suns for Amare. The plan was in place all along and it's obvious. Can't believe they got away with this.

A dynasty is a dynasty is a dynasty...if they win titles, they qualify. However they got together...it was legal. So they still have to go out there and win, that is another issue entirely.

 

[Anytime23]

It's a watered down dynasty and it's nothing like how the Bulls went about FA. They had more quality, Bull drafted pieces in place in Rose, Deng, Taj and Asik(which was unproven). They did try to dump Deng but the Bulls didnt butcher their team years in advance to set it up. Yeah it was legal as far as everyone knows but Pat Riley set this up in advanced behind the NBAs back, under the table. You can't do that but there's no proof but I stick by everything I say in regards to the Heat.

 

[FirstTimer]

A dynasty is a dynasty is a dynasty...if they win titles, they qualify. However they got together...it was legal. So they still have to go out there and win, that is another issue entirely.

This.

If the Bulls had pulled in James and Wade no one here would claim it's watered down.

This entire board would :cum:

Were people saying the dynasty would be watered down when they had Lebron sigs every where. Lebron avatars and were hanging on everything James and Wade did?

Mob is fickle Maximus.

It's a watered down dynasty and it's nothing like how the Bulls went about FA.

Bull shit.

The Bulls were out there dumping salary, throwing around money with every one.

Save that shit.

Bull drafted pieces in place in Rose

The Bulls fell ass first into Rose, overpaid Deng, and Taj is a bench forward like Haslem at this point.

Miami was making smart moves as well. Just in a different way. I mean Riley started moving pieces when he traded O'Neal to free up room.

They did try to dump Deng but the Bulls didnt butcher their team years in advance to set it up.

The Heat were still a playoff team before the salary dumps. The team wasn't butchered...and They couldn't butcher their team because outside of Rose they didn't want to move Noah, and Deng was unmovable because hwas overpaid and the salary sucked. The Bulls don't get credit for "holding onto Deng" and not butchering their team when Deng, as an asset wasn't movable because the Bulls over paid him.

You can't do that but there's no proof but I stick by everything I say in regards to the Heat.

Sour grapes are sour.

 

[Anytime23]

This.

If the Bulls had pulled in James and Wade no one here would claim it's watered down.
Comprehension is tough. I said its watered down because of everyone taking less money. I said i wouldnt want that on the Bulls. Its unfair to the league.
This entire board would :cum:

Were people saying the dynasty would be watered down when they had Lebron sigs every where. Lebron avatars and were hanging on everything James and Wade did?
Again, it has nothing to do with wanting LeBron or Wade. Its how it all went about
Mob is fickle Maximus.

Bull shit.

The Bulls were out there dumping salary, throwing around money with every one.

Save that shit.
They still had a core of good players they werent going to let go. The Heat tried to dump everyone but Wade and were only able to bring back a couple guys because the big 3 took less money to get their easy rings, which they will get




The Bulls fell ass first into Rose, overpaid Deng, and Taj is a bench forward like Haslem at this point.So its their fault they fell ass first into Rose? No mention of Noah?

Miami was making smart moves as well. Just in a different way. I mean Riley started moving pieces when he traded O'Neal to free up room.

The Heat were still a playoff team before the salary dumps. The team wasn't butcheredyes they were. They kept surrounding Wade with over the hill players and did nothing to bring another star player in. They did enough to make it look like they were trying with Oneal, Q-Rich and players like that. And its not very hard to be a playoff team in the East, if you havent noticed. 1 player of Wades caliber can get shit talent into the ECP....and They couldn't butcher their team because outside of Rose they didn't want to move Noah, and Deng was unmovable because hwas overpaid and the salary sucked. The Bulls don't get credit for "holding onto Deng" and not butchering their team when Deng, as an asset wasn't movable because the Bulls over paid him.They didnt want to move Noah aka not butchering their team. I already said they tried to move Deng did i not? They could have dumped a light salery like Taj's like the Heat did with Cook but they did. Again, its not about the last FA period, its about the past couple years.




Sour grapes are sour.

Just a NBA fan who would like a little parity in a league where there already wasnt any. Dont want it on the Bulls, Heat or any other team. Not for a second do i believe that the Heat didnt cut their team down to the bone and risk losing Wade without completely knowing they were going to get LeBron and Bosh. Think what you want, i'll think what i want.

 

[FirstTimer]

Just a NBA fan who would like a little parity in a league where there already wasnt any

So you didn't want the Bulls to sign James and or Wade/Bosh?

Please.

.

So its their fault they fell ass first into Rose?

1. it's actually the Knicks fault

2. I don't really give the Bulls credit for "building throughthe draft" on the Rose pick because it was pretty much a no brainer. It wasn't some savvy move.

No mention of Noah

There is no metion of Noah because you didn't mention him...but now that you've brought him up..I think he's way overvalued. He's not a difference maker. He's a nice player and a nice pick but the Bulls and fans drastically overvalue him....unless it involves a Dwight Howard deal apparently.

So the Heat are taken to task for being really fucking smart with player movement and contracts?

Man you're fucking bitter.

Just enjoy James and Co. teabagging all over the Bulls for the next 5-7 years.

I refuse to believe you'd have any issue with two of the big three being here along with Rose.

Do you want Dwight Howard here?

 

[Anytime23]

So you didn't want the Bulls to sign James and or Wade/Bosh?

Please.
I wanted them to get those guys if the contracts worked into their cap space.
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original
1. it's actually the Knicks fault

2. I don't really give the Bulls credit for "building throughthe draft" on the Rose pick because it was pretty much a no brainer. It wasn't some savvy move.
It was a no brainer move but that doesnt change the fact that most of the key pieces to this team are Bulls drafted players.



There is no metion of Noah because you didn't mention him...but now that you've brought him up..I think he's way overvalued. He's not a difference maker. He's a nice player and a nice pick but the Bulls and fans drastically overvalue him....unless it involves a Dwight Howard deal apparently.Overrated or not hes a really good player. Overrated by Bulls fans? Fine but he's still really good. Again, a Bulls drafted player. A quality player who they didnt want to get rid of. Im sure they would have if they knew they were getting LeBron a couple years before FA even started

So the Heat are taken to task for being really fucking smart with player movement and contracts?
Youre not paying attention
Man you're fucking bitter.
Not really
Just enjoy James and Co. teabagging all over the Bulls for the next 5-7 years.
theyre youre team as well, correct? (insert overused Obama facepalm here)
I refuse to believe you'd have any issue with two of the big three being here along with Rose.Read above

Do you want Dwight Howard here?

Yes but unless the Bulls start trading away all of their players and have room to sign him and other top tier FAs all for less money than they should be getting, theres really no reason to get into it because its nowhere near the same situation so STFU before you even begin.(insert another lame ass pacepalm smiley here)

Obviously you still dont understand my real issue with this so i'll say it one last time and maybe youll get off your pompous high horse.

I as a NBA fan(not bitter, hater Bulls fan) do not agree with a bunch of superstar players(in addition to a bunch of role players) all taking less money to play together. The league has always been a 2 to 3 star league. Nothing like this has happened for and its not good for the game of basketball. LeBron is the best player in the NBA. You can argue Wade being 2 or 3. I think hes the best SG in the NBA and has been. Then youve got a top 2-3 PF in Bosh, a guy who was the centerpiece of the Raptors. All of these guys taking less and joining forces. I dont mind Bosh with Wade or LeBron on any team. This is too much for any team.

Say Paul and Howard hit FA and they both sides with the Heat or Knicks or Lakers for say $5M a piece, would you agree with it or like it? Is it ok because theyre trying to win while destroying other franchises in the process? Sorry, id rather not watch the league turn into 4 All-Star teams while the others become ghosts.

 

[FirstTimer]

I wanted them to get those guys if the contracts worked into their cap space.

What a hypocrite.

"I didn't want it on the Bulls....."

"Ok well I did."

lulz

It was a no brainer move but that doesnt change the fact that most of the key pieces to this team are Bulls drafted players.

And WAY overvalued and WAY overpaid.

Im sure they would have if they knew they were getting LeBron a couple years before FA even started

Sour grapes conspiracy babble.

Yes

Hyp.

O.

Crit.

but unless the Bulls start trading away all of their players and have room to sign him and other top tier FAs all for less money than they should be getting, theres really no reason to get into

In summation.

Miami does it. Bad.

Bulls do it. Good.

Typical around this board.

I as a NBA fan(not bitter, hater Bulls fan) do not agree with a bunch of superstar players(in addition to a bunch of role players) all taking less money to play together.

Unless it's on the Bulls.

The league has always been a 2 to 3 star league.

False.

Say Paul and Howard hit FA and they both sides with the Heat or Knicks or Lakers for say $5M a piece, would you agree with it or like it?

Sure. I'd rather have them on the Bulls of course. But I wouldn't hate.

 

[Anytime23]

I'll stop reading at

"I didn't want it on the Bulls....."

"Ok well I did."

You clearly have selective reading and couldnt care for details.

Quote one= Not wanting multiple stars to take less money to play together on my team.

Quote two=wanting 2(not 3 and Rose wasnt nearly as great as he was when it all went down. and by two i mean Bosh w/ either Wade or LeBron) stars to play on the Bulls if it were to fit into their cap at the time.

Not very hard to understand.

 

[FirstTimer]

You clearly have selective reading and couldnt care for details.

You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

Quote two=wanting 2(not 3 and Rose wasnt nearly as great as he was when it all went down.

Yeah Rose was ONLY about to start an MVP season.

LOL.

 

[Anytime23]

You clearly just love to argue and be a pompous ****.

"Rose wasnt nearly as great as he was when it all went down"
When it all went down=At the time=He wasnt yet a superstar and no one believed he would actually be the MVP of the NBA. If you did, i hope you played the odds at Vegas. You probably made a killing.

 

[FirstTimer]

You clearly just love to argue and be a pompous ****.