Shark to San Fran

[Diehardfan]

I'll take the old man for 2 years in a heartbeat. Shark has started 131 games and won 47 of them. He's had one winning season in his entire career. The guy's got grade A stuff but apparently a grade D brain.... he's been a loser from day one in baseball.

 

[JZsportsfan]

I still think the Cubs make a trade, Lackey will be the #4 guy heading into 2016. Hammel or Hendricks will either be traded or used as insurance

 

[TL1961]

I still think the Cubs make a trade, Lackey will be the #4 guy heading into 2016. Hammel or Hendricks will either be traded or used as insurance

I think it will be the latter.

And let's not discount either of those two. They both had issues in the second half with going past the 6th, and that hurts. But Hammel, pre-injury, was pitching very well. I don't know why he never regained form, but I hardly would complain with him as my #5. Ditto Hendricks. He's not Arrieta, but if he's our #5, we're not in bad shape.

But having both is important insurance. Can't go into a season with 5 starters. Six is much better, though Travis Wood could be that insurance guy.

 

[Diehardfan]

Doesn't Cueto have a history of bad blood with the Cardinals? I'm certainly not his biggest fan but signing him to a Cub contract would sure make those Cub-Cardinal games even more interesting than they already are.

 

[Boobaby1]

He 37, more of a chance for him to gas out then Samardzija

So, we really don't know how much we can count on from him


Remember he lost some velocity last year..
he at that age now where he going to lose stuff faster

Lackey has already adjusted at how to pitch now that his velocity has dropped. Shark has not.

Lackey the last three years has posted a 3.52, 3.82, and 2.77 ERA with a 37-33 record in both the NL and AL.

Shark the last three years is at a 4.34, 2.99, and a 4.96 ERA with a 26-39 record in both the NL and AL.

Lackey 32 million, and Shark 90 million.

Am I missing something here? If nothing else, I can tell you where the better value is.

Take away the one really good year from both of them in the ERA department as if it were an outlier and look what you have? :shrug:

 

[Boobaby1]

Doesn't Cueto have a history of bad blood with the Cardinals? I'm certainly not his biggest fan but signing him to a Cub contract would sure make those Cub-Cardinal games even more interesting than they already are.

What makes the Cubs-Cardinals games more interesting is beating the pants off of them. :cum:

 

[85Bears]

Am I missing something here? If nothing else, I can tell you where the better value is.

Take away the one really good year from both of them in the ERA department as if it were an outlier and look what you have? :shrug:

This.

The only way the Lackey deal is a bust is if he somehow loses his stuff completely, has dead arm issues that won't go away or gets hurt. And if so, it's only a 2 year deal. I absolutely hated Lackey after game 1 of the NLDS. And for that reason, I'm glad to have him now...

 

[Boobaby1]

This.

The only way the Lackey deal is a bust is if he somehow loses his stuff completely, has dead arm issues that won't go away or gets hurt. And if so, it's only a 2 year deal. I absolutely hated Lackey after game 1 of the NLDS. And for that reason, I'm glad to have him now...

Just to add to this, Lackey's 2015 splits against the NL Central were 2-0, 1.25 ERA against the Cubs, 1-2, 2.91 ERA against the Reds, 3-0, 1.85 ERA against the Brewers, and 0-1, 2.25 ERA against the Pirates. These are the teams you need to beat, and I hope he can now do to the Cardinals, what he did to the Cubs last year.

Stout ERA's if you ask me, and the 3.06 ERA in interleague play was pretty good too.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Lackey makes more sense for this organization than Jeff did. They're probably going to be similar pitchers yet the Cubs get Lackey for 3 years less and 58 million less. There was very little reason to give Jeff that deal.

Lackey holds of declining: Theo looks great
Lackey declines quickly: Cubs were cheap and it cost them

The Cubs obviously have only so many long term contracts to give out so who else gets them matters.

lackey makes no fucking sense. Zero.

 

[Parade_Rain]

This.

The only way the Lackey deal is a bust is if he somehow loses his stuff completely, has dead arm issues that won't go away or gets hurt. And if so, it's only a 2 year deal. I absolutely hated Lackey after game 1 of the NLDS. And for that reason, I'm glad to have him now...

I hated the Plate Umpire after game 1, not Lackey. [emoji38]

 

[Shawon0Meter]

lackey makes no fucking sense. Zero.

You can't say zero. The rotation is already better.

 

[chibears55]

Lackey has already adjusted at how to pitch now that his velocity has dropped. Shark has not.

Lackey the last three years has posted a 3.52, 3.82, and 2.77 ERA with a 37-33 record in both the NL and AL.

Shark the last three years is at a 4.34, 2.99, and a 4.96 ERA with a 26-39 record in both the NL and AL.

Lackey 32 million, and Shark 90 million.

Am I missing something here? If nothing else, I can tell you where the better value is.

Take away the one really good year from both of them in the ERA department as if it were an outlier and look what you have? :shrug:

Point is, he going to be 37 and 38 YO these next 2 yrs.
The percentage is higher that he not going to hold up at that age..
He can also end up like david ross and his batting AVG.
Ross was a .250 - 60 hitter at 34,35 and ended up under .200 the last 2 years.

I understand it only 2/32 but it would be a shame if they ended up wasting that money and 2 yrs. .


As far as Samardzija goes, im not a Samardzija guy at all
But between him and Lackey, i would've taken my chances on him..
Besides weren't you along with others telling me/us how Samardzija would be much better back with Bosio and the Cubs and how the sox were using him wrong. Etc etc etc


All this said, now that it over and Lackey a Cub..
hope he wins the Cy Young

 

[brett05]

Everywhere

Then you can post a few right?

 

[Boobaby1]

Point is, he going to be 37 and 38 YO these next 2 yrs.
The percentage is higher that he not going to hold up at that age..
He can also end up like david ross and his batting AVG.
Ross was a .250 - 60 hitter at 34,35 and ended up under .200 the last 2 years.

I understand it only 2/32 but it would be a shame if they ended up wasting that money and 2 yrs. .


As far as Samardzija goes, im not a Samardzija guy at all
But between him and Lackey, i would've taken my chances on him..
Besides weren't you along with others telling me/us how Samardzija would be much better back with Bosio and the Cubs and how the sox were using him wrong. Etc etc etc

All this said, now that it over and Lackey a Cub..
hope he wins the Cy Young

Nope! Not me.

I don't buy into the pitching coach turning every player around like some people thought Dave Duncan or Chris Bosio could. They are good......not GOD.

If Bosio had that kind of touch, I do believe he could have made Edwin Jackson a quality rotational piece.

Furthermore, if the Cardinals failed this year, it sure wasn't because of Lackey.