Should we panic about Edwin Jackson?

[daddies3angels]

3 runs allowed in 4th inning

ERA up over 7.. Yea have to be a little worried

 

[Willrust]

Anyone ready to start looking at the Home/Road split now? I get it, low sample size. But sometimes you have to go with the data that you have. The guy has an ERA just over 3.00 on the road and an era of about 9.00 pitching at Wrigley this year.

Looking at his stats with runners on base, I would say he has an issue with his slide step to home.

 

[mountsalami]

Anyone ready to start looking at the Home/Road split now? I get it, low sample size. But sometimes you have to go with the data that you have. The guy has an ERA just over 3.00 on the road and an era of about 9.00 pitching at Wrigley this year.

Looking at his stats with runners on base, I would say he has an issue with his slide step to home.

Watching him pitch, he has control problems. Doesn't look comfortable at all. Throughout Jackson's career he has been up and down.

Dave Duncan was the only coach to get him to pitch somewhat consistantly along with Don Cooper from the White Sox. Other than that he's been a mess.

I don't see the fat ass, beer gut, in Bosio, doing Edwin much good.

 

[KBisBack!]

Anyone ready to start looking at the Home/Road split now? I get it, low sample size. But sometimes you have to go with the data that you have. The guy has an ERA just over 3.00 on the road and an era of about 9.00 pitching at Wrigley this year.

Looking at his stats with runners on base, I would say he has an issue with his slide step to home.

Should we look at the splits for Brandon Wood and Aramis Ramirez now also?? You know, the smart trade the Cubs should have made because Brandon Wood was once a top prospect.

We have a lot more data there to go with.

There is a whole new group of people to be educated on how little you really know about baseball.

 

[CSF77]

He sucks.

 

[Willrust]

Should we look at the splits for Brandon Wood and Aramis Ramirez now also?? You know, the smart trade the Cubs should have made because Brandon Wood was once a top prospect.

We have a lot more data there to go with.

There is a whole new group of people to be educated on how little you really know about baseball.

There is a whole new group of people to be educated on how far you would go to refuse to admit being wrong.

Just so you all know, I suggested the Cubs trade Aramis Ramirez to the Angels for Brandon Wood.... back in 2009....when Ramirez was hitting worse than Ian Stewart. Someone has an issue letting it go.

Oh, just to let everyone know; KB said at one point that he would gladly let his daughter date Milton Bradley. The same Milton Bradley that has subsequently been brought up on 13 separate charges of domestic abuse

:gtfo:

 

[KBisBack!]

There is a whole new group of people to be educated on how far you would go to refuse to admit being wrong.

I've admitted several things here that I did not have correct.

Just so you all know, I suggested the Cubs trade Aramis Ramirez to the Angels for Brandon Wood.... back in 2009....when Ramirez was hitting worse than Ian Stewart. Someone has an issue letting it go.

Ramirez never was hitting worse than Stewart and especially not in 2009. In fact he was hitting .363 with 4 HR's in 20 games before he hurt his shoulder and hit .333 with 5 HR's in 19 July games after returning.

Accurate as always though. Just thought all the new folks here should know the level of your "expertise".

Oh, just to let everyone know; KB said at one point that he would gladly let his daughter date Milton Bradley. The same Milton Bradley that has subsequently been brought up on 13 separate charges of domestic abuse

Of which none have led to a conviction.

His wife is bat shit crazy and has on several occasions made false accusations.

Glad to see you are adept at letting things go since you seem to be so fast to accuse others.

 

[Mr. Cub]

Jackson is a liability at this point. Since our 'pen sucks so bad, he should be part of it when Garza returns.

 

[SilenceS]

Jackson is a liability at this point. Since our 'pen sucks so bad, he should be part of it when Garza returns.

Jackson has been getting extremely unlucky. He has a .353 BABIP. The only problem is his walks are way up. Also, his strikeouts are way up. The Cubs have invested to much money for him to go to the pen. Theo and them are saber guys and the numbers suggest he has hit a bad string of luck and it will even out over time. Even in the sunday start, it seemed every ball found a hole. Its not always going to be like that. You dont just throw a guy with 4 year 52 million dollar contract in the pen in the first seven starts. He needs to focus on controlling his walks and he will be the pitcher people expect him to be.

 

[Boobaby1]

Jackson has been getting extremely unlucky. He has a .353 BABIP. The only problem is his walks are way up. Also, his strikeouts are way up. The Cubs have invested to much money for him to go to the pen. Theo and them are saber guys and the numbers suggest he has hit a bad string of luck and it will even out over time. Even in the sunday start, it seemed every ball found a hole. Its not always going to be like that. You dont just throw a guy with 4 year 52 million dollar contract in the pen in the first seven starts. He needs to focus on controlling his walks and he will be the pitcher people expect him to be.

In their steadfast quest to re-sign Ian Stewart and have a platoon player in Scott Hairston for RF, they could have taken that money and applied it to their targeted pitcher in which they should not have been outbid Anibal Sanchez and had him on the team instead of Jackson.

I know, I know. "Every dollar has been spent" and the "Soriano contract is holding this team back". Blah, blah. blah. blah, blah!

 

[Willrust]

In their steadfast quest to re-sign Ian Stewart and have a platoon player in Scott Hairston for RF, they could have taken that money and applied it to their targeted pitcher in which they should not have been outbid Anibal Sanchez and had him on the team instead of Jackson.

Boo,

Anibal Sanchez used the Cubs as leverage to get the Tigers to up their offer.

As to the Cubs 3b solution this offseason, I am going to lay this out for everyone to see with their own eyes:

12/05/12 - Diamondbacks sign Eric Chavez: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...es-to-deal-with-arizona-diamondbacks/1749189/

12/05/12 - White Sox sign Keppinger: http://www.chicagonow.com/art-pale-...-the-most-exciting-news-but-its-a-smart-move/

12/06/12 - Cubs resign Ian Stewart to a non-guaranteed 1 year deal: http://www.bleachernation.com/2012/12/06/report-cubs-are-going-to-re-sign-ian-stewart/

Then on 12/08/12 this was written:

From Patrick Mooney, on Kevin Youkilis: “The Cubs are interested in Kevin Youkilis, but expect him to go beyond their price range and ultimately sign with a team much closer to contention, according to a source familiar with the organization’s thinking.” That’s what I’ve been saying on Youk since the White Sox declined his option: the Cubs would gladly take him, but not at the money/length he’s going to get from a team closer to contention.

Also, Ian Stewart & Scott Hairston combined will make about 7M over 2 years; and is far short of the minimum 33M difference between the 4 year 52M that Jackson got and the 5 year 80M + 6th year 16M club option/5M buyout (call it a guaranteed 85M) that Anibal Sanchez received.

 

[Boobaby1]

Boo,

Anibal Sanchez used the Cubs as leverage to get the Tigers to up their offer.

As to the Cubs 3b solution this offseason, I am going to lay this out for everyone to see with their own eyes:

12/05/12 - Diamondbacks sign Eric Chavez: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...es-to-deal-with-arizona-diamondbacks/1749189/

12/05/12 - White Sox sign Keppinger: http://www.chicagonow.com/art-pale-...-the-most-exciting-news-but-its-a-smart-move/

12/06/12 - Cubs resign Ian Stewart to a non-guaranteed 1 year deal: http://www.bleachernation.com/2012/12/06/report-cubs-are-going-to-re-sign-ian-stewart/

Then on 12/08/12 this was written:

From Patrick Mooney, on Kevin Youkilis: “The Cubs are interested in Kevin Youkilis, but expect him to go beyond their price range and ultimately sign with a team much closer to contention, according to a source familiar with the organization’s thinking.” That’s what I’ve been saying on Youk since the White Sox declined his option: the Cubs would gladly take him, but not at the money/length he’s going to get from a team closer to contention.

Also, Ian Stewart & Scott Hairston combined will make about 7M over 2 years; and is far short of the minimum 33M difference between the 4 year 52M that Jackson got and the 5 year 80M + 6th year 16M club option/5M buyout (call it a guaranteed 85M) that Anibal Sanchez received.

Will, who cares if he used the Cubs as leverage, they still should not have gotten beat out. Don't you think Detroit had their limits as to how high they would go too? it isn't as if the Cubs were going to go all in and acquire free agents galore to be competitive. That said, the goal should have been to get a top end starter to compliment Shark and Garza, draft pitching, and take chances on some like Feldman, Wood, Baker, and Villy and throw them to the wall and see what sticks, and trade them out if it nets the Cubs something good potentially to fill a void in return. I get that.

The Cubs are losing out to Detroit not the Yankees, who currently have Fielder, V-Mart, Torii Hunter, Verlander, and Miggy on their payroll. How is that happening for a team like the Cubs whose only contract of substance is Soriano and Garza BTW, who are both going to be off the books shortly unless they extend Garza?

People need to quit excusing and defending every move that the brass make, and acknowledge a good deal as well as a bad deal when they happen.

 

[Willrust]

Will, who cares if he used the Cubs as leverage, they still should not have gotten beat out. Don't you think Detroit had their limits as to how high they would go too? it isn't as if the Cubs were going to go all in and acquire free agents galore to be competitive. That said, the goal should have been to get a top end starter to compliment Shark and Garza, draft pitching, and take chances on some like Feldman, Wood, Baker, and Villy and throw them to the wall and see what sticks, and trade them out if it nets the Cubs something good potentially to fill a void in return. I get that.

Boo, you assume that Sanchez would have actually signed with the Cubs. All indications were that he never had any intention of signing with the Cubs and was simply using them for leverage.

[/QUOTE]The Cubs are losing out to Detroit not the Yankees, who currently have Fielder, V-Mart, Torii Hunter, Verlander, and Miggy on their payroll. How is that happening for a team like the Cubs whose only contract of substance is Soriano and Garza BTW, who are both going to be off the books shortly unless they extend Garza?

People need to quit excusing and defending every move that the brass make, and acknowledge a good deal as well as a bad deal when they happen.[/QUOTE]

What does Detroit have that the Cubs do not? A new(ish) stadium. A new(ish) television deal. They hit the lottery with Justin Verlander. Also, they were able to fleece the Marlins in the Cabrera trade. Also, Detroit had to go through some rough seasons before the new stadium (added revenues) and just after it being built, that allowed them to draft high end prospects; like Verlander.

 

[KBisBack!]

Boo, you assume that Sanchez would have actually signed with the Cubs. All indications were that he never had any intention of signing with the Cubs and was simply using them for leverage.

If the Cubs offered the most money, he would have signed.

The Cubs put themselves in the position to get used.

Also, Detroit had to go through some rough seasons before the new stadium (added revenues) and just after it being built, that allowed them to draft high end prospects; like Verlander.

And has been pointed out to you numerous times that you ignore to satisfy your agenda, they also spent heavily on FA with players like Pudge and Ordonez as a part of their rebuilding.

 

[mountsalami]

What does Detroit have that the Cubs do not? A new(ish) stadium. A new(ish) television deal. They hit the lottery with Justin Verlander. Also, they were able to fleece the Marlins in the Cabrera trade. Also, Detroit had to go through some rough seasons before the new stadium (added revenues) and just after it being built, that allowed them to draft high end prospects; like Verlander.

What you have FAILED to point out, because of lack of education, is that the OWNER of Detroit has stated that he is getting older now and wants to win, even if it means NOT TURNING A PROFIT. He stated this after he signed Prince Fielder.

Mike Ilitch is 84 years old, rich, and doesn't give a **** about losing a little money. He wants to win at all costs.

Well he did alright as a result anyway.

 

[Willrust]

What you have FAILED to point out, because someone's dick is firmly planted in your mouth, is that Mr. Ilitch still hasn't won a championship in baseball because it isn't a guarantee that spending money guarantees a championship.:flipa:

 

[KBisBack!]

Nothing dumber than some moron criticizing another team for spending money, twice making it to the World Series and fielding one of the better clubs again this year simply because they didn't win a championship while defending every move made by a team that lost 101 games last year and is fielding one of the worst clubs again this year that is making a huge amount of money and refusing to spend it as the better way to run a baseball team.

 

[Willrust]

If the Cubs offered the most money, he would have signed.

There is no fact there, just opinion.

The Cubs put themselves in the position to get used.

The Cubs thought that they were legitimately working out a deal with Sanchez, and turns out he was using them to drive up the price for the Tigers to resign. How exactly is that the Cubs fault?

And has been pointed out to you numerous times that you ignore to satisfy your agenda, they also spent heavily on FA with players like Pudge and Ordonez as a part of their rebuilding.

The Tigers hit rock bottom before they started signing FA's like Pudge (04) & Ordonez (05). Actually, they had a 3 year stretch where they won 66, 55 & 43 respectively. Because of that rock bottom , they got to draft Verlander. The Cubs will have the opportunity to get Gray or Appel after finishing last yer with 61 wins. They didn't even have to lose 119 games to do so!

 

[Willrust]

Nothing dumber than some moron criticizing another team for spending money, twice making it to the World Series and fielding one of the better clubs again this year simply because they didn't win a championship while defending every move made by a team that lost 101 games last year and is fielding one of the worst clubs again this year that is making a huge amount of money and refusing to spend it as the better way to run a baseball team.

Nothing dumber than a should of been aborted fetus, lauding a team that lost 119 games in a season for having a great owner. While at the same time pissing and moaning about every move that his favorite team makes.

Just so you know, Ilitch was what Loria currently is.

 

[CSF77]

Meh thinks this thread got de-railed. He still sucks. Hard luck? Shark is hard luck. 1-4 with a ERA under 4. Jaxx is pushing 7. He has earned a pen job.