Should we trade LaVine for Simmons??

[Bust]

Sato, coby, and aminu for Simmons and a first round pick is the only trade the bulls should consider for Simmons

Zach is about to get paid. Bulls can't even make last playoff spot with Zach.

Bulls need a point guard. They also need major help defensively. Simmons is 2 time 1st team defense honors. Only 24. Just hook him up with Tony Robbins in the offseason and he'll be all good.

 

[FozzyBear]

Sato, coby, and aminu for Simmons and a first round pick is the only trade the bulls should consider for Simmons

Yeah, hey Doc, if you need 1.5 points and 19 mil on the books over the next two years. Aminu is your guy

You dont even want Coby, why would the Sixers? Tomas? You want to trade the dunking white guy? Well he will be 30? right. Need to replace his legs. I mean Id be down replacing Tomas for Alex Caruso. Need white flight in action.

So the sixers take 2 30 year old journeymen, a sus PG, roughly 64-66 million and a pick for Simmons? Simmons would be a regular season stud and lead the Bulls to the playoffs... the 76ers wouldnt even get a lottery pick. As bad a Simmons was against the Hawks, yeah nah, aint happening.

At the same time, you want the bulls to trade more firsts not to compete for titles?

Trading for Nikola Vucevic was terrible. Well the picks made it terrible.

 

[FozzyBear]

I dont know why you keep disliking me knoxville. Bulls just Bull Shitted some more.

Do you think Niko is the answer? Just another soft stay puff marshmallow man. Im sure he will help the Bulls inch into the playoffs with a full season with Zach. Hes not complete ass. Just not worth the extra cap space and picks the Bulls could have had

However, the Bulls gave up two firsts and Porters expiring contract for more meh. I never cared for Wendell but aside from his 3pt % dropping, his numbers went up slightly with more minutes in ORL. Not much, but still. Id rather run his contract out than take on Aminus

What could the Bulls do with Pick 8 this year and nearly an extra 30 million in cap space? Probably not much right, since no one good ever seems to want to come to Chicago. Theres definitely a few guards in the draft though.

Perhaps if Paul or Leonard opt out they could get a guy. Paul might be old but would make the team better.
Maybe Pair Victor Oladipo with Zach. Or Demar. Neither is my cup o tea, neither give the Bulls a shot at the chip, but it would be fun right. Conely would be a solid pick up, but is too old and not named Paul for my tastes. Much like most of the supposed 2022 class if people opt out, aging.

Hopefully the Bulls dont overpay for an injury prone guy like Spencer Dinwiddie.

Montrezl Harrell might be worth a look if he opts out, but would he want to come to the Bulls.

etc etc.

I would rather watch a fun, young, developing Bulls team full of rookies than a product we know wont ultimately deliver. But hey, Im not tied to the Bulls and watch plenty of good or fun basketball elsewhere

 

[knoxville7]

I dont know why you keep disliking me knoxville. Bulls just Bull Shitted some more.

Do you think Niko is the answer? Just another soft stay puff marshmallow man. Im sure he will help the Bulls inch into the playoffs with a full season with Zach. Hes not complete ass. Just not worth the extra cap space and picks the Bulls could have had

However, the Bulls gave up two firsts and Porters expiring contract for more meh. I never cared for Wendell but aside from his 3pt % dropping, his numbers went up slightly with more minutes in ORL. Not much, but still. Id rather run his contract out than take on Aminus

What could the Bulls do with Pick 8 this year and nearly an extra 30 million in cap space? Probably not much right, since no one good ever seems to want to come to Chicago. Theres definitely a few guards in the draft though.

Perhaps if Paul or Leonard opt out they could get a guy. Paul might be old but would make the team better.
Maybe Pair Victor Oladipo with Zach. Or Demar. Neither is my cup o tea, neither give the Bulls a shot at the chip, but it would be fun right. Conely would be a solid pick up, but is too old and not named Paul for my tastes. Much like most of the supposed 2022 class if people opt out, aging.

Hopefully the Bulls dont overpay for an injury prone guy like Spencer Dinwiddie.

Montrezl Harrell might be worth a look if he opts out, but would he want to come to the Bulls.

etc etc.

I would rather watch a fun, young, developing Bulls team full of rookies than a product we know wont ultimately deliver. But hey, Im not tied to the Bulls and watch plenty of good or fun basketball elsewhere

niko? He was years ago dude. Do you mean vucevic? Because If you mean vucevic, you might actually want to watch him play because you have him categorized all wrong.

you also clearly haven’t watched much bulls basketball last year, or you’d already realize they are a fun and young team…avg age of just under 27. And that’s with an old Vet like Thad and Sato on the roster to bring the avg age up a bit. They have a 19 year old and 20 year old in their starting lineup with a 26 year old ZL.

you don’t like Vucevic being on the roster, yet you’re down for adding oladipo whomst is constantly hurt or derozan whomst can’t shoot outside…he’s like Ben Simmons in that way

you clearly don’t watch bulls basketball as you basically admitted at the end of your post. Maybe learn a lil about what you’re spouting instead of just spouting

 

[Discus fish salesman]

I could be wrong but I think Philly is going to be pretty desperate to move on from Simmons contract. They will not be receiving draft capital for him in my opinion. We'll see though

 

[RC_Skinny22]

I put Zach in the same category as Booker. Not that good defensively, although he improved last season, but offensively it's pretty much the same.

And look how Phoenix changed since CP3 arrived.
A true floor general who is also a decent defender and shooter. This is exactly what the Bulls need.

If Zach is not in the H&S protocol for 3 weeks, the Bulls make the playoffs this season. Also look how many games Lauri and Carter missed in the beginning of the season.

And please stay the hell away from Simmons!!! Trading for Zach so we don't have a single player left who can create his own shot and also is a good shooter % wise..... yeah, great idea!

 

[FozzyBear]

niko? He was years ago dude. Do you mean vucevic? Because If you mean vucevic, you might actually want to watch him play because you have him categorized all wrong.

you also clearly haven’t watched much bulls basketball last year, or you’d already realize they are a fun and young team…avg age of just under 27. And that’s with an old Vet like Thad and Sato on the roster to bring the avg age up a bit. They have a 19 year old and 20 year old in their starting lineup with a 26 year old ZL.

you don’t like Vucevic being on the roster, yet you’re down for adding oladipo whomst is constantly hurt or derozan whomst can’t shoot outside…he’s like Ben Simmons in that way

you clearly don’t watch bulls basketball as you basically admitted at the end of your post. Maybe learn a lil about what you’re spouting instead of just spouting

NIKOla. Ive seen him play for years, havent you? He is what he is. Which is not the answer to the chip. You mean Coby is 21, a guy you also want to trade. Niko will be 31, Tomas will be 30, Aminu will be 31, Theis is 29.

I said neither Oladipo or Demar is my cup o tea, but either would be more fun than Coby, Zach. You know Coby, the guy you want to trade for some reason.

The Bulls arent generally fun to watch, fun is watching Charlotte and that squad when Ball and Hayward were both healthy as well. Lob city was fun. Watching a inconsistent poor pelicans team is fun at times. etc etc. Zach can be entertaining at times though. Nice to see Lauri hit some threes for a change.. But yeah, nada exciting other than a couple of Williams dunks of hope

Zach was entertaining in that loss to LAC with his 40+. Saw him drop 50 in a loss to ATL and saw him drop 40+ against the pelicans. So yeah, like, I watched a few Bulls games last year, but Im not tied to them. Nor am I delusional about them and their players. Zero hope at the chip next year guy. Zero. If they were fun, Id watch more.

So, Trade Zach, Trade NIKO away, I doubt you get two firsts in return with one atleast being top 10..... sign and trade Lauri... Kick Billy to the curb. Well he wasnt a loser in OKC....... yeah yeah the bulls will be back in the playoffs and exit rd 1. i get it guy. Billy will be fine. Shouldve kept Thibs though..........Fred....................... BUT Blow the shit up. Make Chicago Great Again

 

[knoxville7]

Ahhh yes, because said roster won’t win a title next season…the best course of action is to blow it up ? what a fucking horrible take

 

[FozzyBear]

Ahhh yes, because said roster won’t win a title next season…the best course of action is to blow it up ? what a fucking horrible take

Well some people have been saying this since the 98-99 season. Imagine if they didnt Luck out in the 08 lottery. I mean I guess 08 draft was still bad luck in the end right. The odds of the Bulls landing #1 again are slim especially from the bulls lower middle class roster and draft positions. However, being bottom barrel poor would help those chances greatly.

Not only will they not win next season, they wont win the following year. As Barkley would say... I GUARANTEE IT. Then theyll have to resign Niko if they can. If they cant or have to sign and deal the man. Watch, it wont be for two high firsts. So its possible he walks for nothing. Would be so Bulls to get desperate and overpay Niko at 33 yrs old with some Bully 5 year deal.

The Bulls gave up possibly 8 years of rookie contracts on possibly two high 1st rd rookies, for a guy they may only have for two full years. What makes it extremely Bull shitty and horrible is the fact that THIS IS A CANT WIN SITUATION. Its not two full years on a title run. Niko is not the missing piece on a Bulls title contender. If he were, I would have no issues with it. He is not a Batman or Robin he is the other other guy.

The Bulls made a push to make a run at the 6th-8th seed for the next two years. Yay, winning basketball. Continued mediocrity. Do you not see the path they are on?

 

[Master Debater]

Simmons is an overated hack, cant shoot, even FT. Cant be a low post banger at 6'10 cause teams will just hack a shaq him late in close games.

Honestly Lonzo Ball is a better baller than him right now and Im no Lonzo fan

 

[Master Debater]

I think it would be any attic. I got you can’t make threes can’t make free throws and freezes up in the fourth quarter games? Why in the living hell would anybody want that?

cause hes a hyped up name on a jersey, duh. the people that want it have never paid any attention to ben simmons they just hear the media pumping him up so they have to have him if the name on the jersey is available.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Well some people have been saying this since the 98-99 season. Imagine if they didnt Luck out in 08 lottery. I mean I guess 08 draft was still bad luck in the end right. The odds of the Bulls landing #1 again are slim especially from the bulls lower middle class roster and draft positions. However, being bottom barrel poor would help those chances greatly.

Not only will they not win next season, they wont win the following year. As Barkley would say... I GUARANTEE IT. Then theyll have to resign Niko if they can. If they cant or have to sign and deal the man. Watch, it wont be for two high firsts. So its possible he walks for nothing. Would be so Bulls to get desperate and overpay Niko at 33 yrs old with some Bully 5 year deal.

The Bulls gave up possibly 8 years of rookie contracts on possibly two high 1st rd rookies, for a guy they may only have for two full years. What makes it extremely Bull shitty and horrible is the fact that THIS IS A CANT WIN SITUATION. Its not two full years on a title run. Niko is not the missing piece on a Bulls title contender. If he were, I would have no issues with it. He is not a Batman or Robin he is the other other guy.

The Bulls made a push to make a run at the 6th-8th seed for the next two years. Yay, winning basketball. Continued mediocrity. Do you not see the path they are on?

Might be at least worth waiting to see what the bulls do this offseason and into next year at least

 

[Bust]

how can philly bring simmons back...? no chance

 

[knoxville7]

Might be at least worth waiting to see what the bulls do this offseason and into next year at least

nope, should constantly trade away our best players and never try improving the roster until the bulls find the next jordan that can win titles. Although, with fuzzy nuts logic, the bulls would of traded away jordan after a few years of not winning titles…I mean what a loser that MJ guy was, amirite?!

 

[RC_Skinny22]

Yeah, trading away our best players worked so well in the past, we got so much closer to a championship since 2015...

Heck, DRose with one knee has been a better player than everyone else we had at PG from then till now!

 

[clonetrooper264]

Yeah, trading away our best players worked so well in the past, we got so much closer to a championship since 2015...

Heck, DRose with one knee has been a better player than everyone else we had at PG from then till now!

Shoot I'd gladly take DRose back on this team right now

 

[FozzyBear]

nope, should constantly trade away our best players and never try improving the roster until the bulls find the next jordan that can win titles. Although, with fuzzy nuts logic, the bulls would of traded away jordan after a few years of not winning titles…I mean what a loser that MJ guy was, amirite?!

Well the OP wants to trade Zach for a non shooting PG.

Whens the last time the Bulls have tried a complete tear down???????????????????????????? Their insistence on collecting aging or other teams trash isnt working. I mean Boozer was okay for a bit but other than that, nada. And boozer was like a decade ago on a decent roster.

I guess we can include Zach in Butlers forced trade. Personally Id want Zach over Butler. Anywho.... So the Bulls lucked into Zach, like they lucked into Jordan, like they lucked into Rose. Yeah, great approach to NBA basket balling.

Speaking on Jordan, if he was drafted in todays NBA. He wouldn't of stuck around right. He would of forced a trade after Doug Collins was booted.

Jordan was also under a rookie deal at the time that went into 90/91? IIRC. He did renegotiate in 88 or 89 I think. Man what blessing having rookies on deals, even under newer structured rookie deals......... the BULLS just missed out on two more, so they could make a run at the 8th seed for a couple of years.

The difference with Jordan as opposed to say Zach, Jordan made the playoffs every year when he was young. Jordan showed he was more than just a possible Batman, he was Superman from the start. I mean the bulls even LUCKED (theres that word again) into the playoffs during Jordans injured second year when they tried to limit, well they did limit his minutes.

anyway

Do you even know anything about MJ???

 

[knoxville7]

Man, thanks for schooling me @FozzyBear and letting me know that a second contract is somehow still a rookie deal



and yes, I know plenty about MJ. Do you know and understand what a rookie contract actually is?!

 

[FozzyBear]

Man, thanks for schooling me @FozzyBear and letting me know that a second contract is somehow still a rookie deal



and yes, I know plenty about MJ. Do you know and understand what a rookie contract actually is?!

Me acknowledging that Jordan restructured during his rookie contract is saying hes still on his rookie deal after it?

Denial does wonders.. it makes one deflect etc etc... . Whatever works for you though.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Simmons is worth a look alongside scoring guards like White and LaVine. I'd like him better in a running offense.

Atlanta might improve with him.

He has to get to 60% ftto be a viable NBA guard.

He has some Rondo type values as a defensive point guard, minus the clutch big game gene.

I think the right team has to pull him in...it has to be a perfect fit.

He might overpower you if he had Zion. Or the open floor of Golden State.

I'd have to see him in some better fits.