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My appologies for not providing a link, but yes, I used Merriam-Websters.
Slate article on Capital Punishment
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My appologies for not providing a link, but yes, I used Merriam-Websters.
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It's nice to know that I'm not the only shit stirrer around here. It warms the cockles of my heart! Peace, love, and harmony, Bob!
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Believe it or not that is the exact point Ron Paul makes. If you are pro-life logically you have to be against capital punishment.
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Kill them all, let God sort them out? I mean seriously, if we execute an innocent man who cares? It was God's will.
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If he came back to life, did he technically die? I mean, it was attempted murder not murder right?
Oswald Danes?
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If we were, people wouldn't be murdering people.
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...or executing them.
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No crime should go unpunished. If people would stop murdering other people, then there would be no need for executions.
Chicken or the egg my friend...
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There are other punishments besides death.
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If killing is so wrong, why would two wrongs make a right, especially when the state's taking of life is often more premeditated then the person being executed.
It also send the message to folks with limited analytical abilities that if it's good enough for the state to execute someone who's done wrong, then why don't I have the same right to take matters into my own hands when I feel someone's done me wrong.
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Right, like letting them rot in a jail cell for upwards of 60 years all the while supported by TAX PAYERS. Great solution.
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which has been proven to be cheaper than killing them due to all the last minute appeals and crap which then clog up an already slow judicial system. Yeah kill'em great solution.
Or I don't know how about we try to reform them instead of just stick them in a box or zap them. Will be able to be reformed? No but there are some that will be able to return to society and function
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I already talked about this, but let me put it this way. The state convicts a murderer and puts them in jail for life. That is the state TAKING their LIFE from them. So what is the difference? In one sense, people feel better about themselves because that person is still alive and could maybe someday possibly hopefully luckily if the stars align be exhonerated of their crime and freed.
As for the deterence factor for small minded folks; you answered your own question, "it's good enough for the state to execute someone who's done wrong". No citizen is above the law, and unless they are on duty as the law, they don't get to make that decision.
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Proven HOW? All I have ever seen or heard is rhetoric and talking points. I have never read an article or seen a website (government, educational, or private) with a total number of retrial or appeal attempts and the associated costs vice the true cost of lifetime incarceration for all the death row inmates in the country for the last X years. Find that and you have an argument, otherwise it is just hearsay.
Same thing goes for rehabilitation. All rhetoric when it comes to murderers being rehabilitated. Show me how many one time murderers went to jail and never did it again vice all the repeat offenders. I am fairly certain you won't be happy with the success rate of rehabilitation. Once a killer always a killer (just waiting for the next homicidal urge to appear that they fail to repress).
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Well we're probably never going to agree on this, but I think our government should be above doing the same thing they find so reprehensible.
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You are right, you love to reject my logic. A lifetime of NO FREEDOM is so much better than NO LIFE AT ALL. Sorry Charlie, but they are equal in my mind.
There is no guarantee that just because a person is still incarcerated that they will have an appeal honored and heard. So that is a wash too. Is there a chance, yes. Is there a chance that I will win the lottery, yes.