Some Love for Ryan Poles - Bear Fans Only

[--CyBear--]

Another bad move. What’s your point? Misses happen. The only thing I want is for a GM that learns from his mistakes and doesn’t continue to do the same thing. I’m hopeful that happens

Point is that you missed one while trying to be so fair minded. I'm not a Poles hater but if there's a ledger, he's on it.

 

[playthrough2001]

I think Poles was saddled with a bad HC in Matt Eberflus. Choosing Eberflus is the mistake Poles made. HC makes a huge huge difference. John Lynch swung and missed on Trey Lance giving up 3 first round picks. That would set most franchises back 5 or more years. But, because SF has a very good HC with a vision in Kyle Shanahan they survived Lynch’s major miss (would have many more). If Eberflus would’ve been John Lnych’s first HC in SF. He probably would’ve already been fired by now. If Ben Johnson is a good HC, we will start seeing more ROI with Poles draft picks.

Finding Purdy really bailed those guys out. Plus, Shanahan can flat out coach until he gets to the Super Bowl.

 

[CaliBearFan]

I don't see anyone giving Poles credit for keeping the Bears in a position to make all these moves by managing the cap so well and thinking long term. His mistakes get blown up out of proportion and all the things he does right get quickly forgotten and minimized.

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

Poles sucks until proven otherwise. I love Jarrett, but he was an overpay. All of these guys are overpaid minus Thuney and Jackson to an extent. There's nothing inheritably wrong with that, the Bears are a bad team and until they start winning, they are going to have to overpay to get talent. Dayo is still developing so you hope he becomes something.

I will say that he's done everything he can THIS season to get the protection for CW so he can actually evaluate him so kudos on that.

 

[Chicago Staleys]

With all the top picks and money Poles has had to work with and things are just ok. Poles is just ok. I'm not impressed over all.

Amen sister!

 

[Washington]

I don't see anyone giving Poles credit for keeping the Bears in a position to make all these moves by managing the cap so well and thinking long term. His mistakes get blown up out of proportion and all the things he does right get quickly forgotten and minimized.

His cap situation will deteriorate quickly because he is trading for expensive players versus drafting them and having good players on rookie contracts. The good thing he did, the Carolina trade, he lucked into because of Lovie Smith. Poles has mostly been dreadful. He's in panic mode this offseason trying to get both lines shored up due to his complete lack of judgement when it comes to talent on the lines. The Flus debacle was laughable.

I seriously doubt that any of the 5 players he has recently traded for or signed as free agents will be here in 3 years.

 

[playthrough2001]

I don't see anyone giving Poles credit for keeping the Bears in a position to make all these moves by managing the cap so well and thinking long term. His mistakes get blown up out of proportion and all the things he does right get quickly forgotten and minimized.

This 100 percent. Fans typically default to everyone sucks. Just listen to Moving the Chains with Kirwan and Miller on XM. Meatball city on the phone lines!

Plus, everything he’s done well was “luck" and the rest of it because “he’s an idiot or a moron.”

 

[SugarWalls]

I have to admit I do really like what Poles has done this off season.

Instead of waiting for the draft he went out and made actually impactful FA decisions, and the OL and DL are both in a much better place, and they still have the draft.

While he definitely deserves the credit for making these moves this year, it is going to take 1-2 really good drafts to make up for all of the completely idiotic decisions he has made leading up to this point.

PS - in advance, I will be crediting any and all draft / team success to Ben Johnson if this year goes well

 

[SugarWalls]

This 100 percent. Fans typically default to everyone sucks. Just listen to Moving the Chains with Kirwan and Miller on XM. Meatball city on the phone lines!

Plus, everything he’s done well was “luck" and the rest of it because “he’s an idiot or a moron.”

is that really that much worse than you and the others that default to everything being good or great or players having some insane potential that they really don't have?

 

[alswank87]

The offseason up until this point seems to be Ryan Poles asking Ben Johnson and Dennis Allen what players and/or traits they want and he went out and got them. That’s what a great GM does. He deserves flak for not firing our shitty coaches last year and bringing in a few garbage players, but other than that, he’s been very good.

 

[CaliBearFan]

His cap situation will deteriorate quickly because he is trading for expensive players versus drafting them and having good players on rookie contracts. The good thing he did, the Carolina trade, he lucked into because of Lovie Smith. Poles has mostly been dreadful. He's in panic mode this offseason trying to get both lines shored up due to his complete lack of judgement when it comes to talent on the lines. The Flus debacle was laughable.

I seriously doubt that any of the 5 players he has recently traded for or signed as free agents will be here in 3 years.

That trade was not all luck. Nothing just happens. He made a tough decision and negotiated the terms. That is far from the only good thing he has done. He has been patient building for long term success and preserving the cap to be able to capitalize when needed. That is why the lines are not great because he has not been willing to overspend or mortgage the future.

The panic mode is a scenario you are making up in your head. It appears he got a lot more aggressive about the lines, probably due to Johnson, but these are essentially short-term contracts that are paid out before we have to re-sign Caleb and the rest of the roster is pretty strong already. We have serious draft flexability and good capital to draft rookies to learn under the vets we just signed. We are set up pretty nicely for now and the future.

 

[DaaBears]

 

[sportinorton18]

 

[playthrough2001]

is that really that much worse than you and the others that default to everything being good or great or players having some insane potential that they really don't have?

Yes, Sugar it’s worse. I have a positive outlook.

I believe I’m pretty accurate in my evaluations.
If you disagree, that’s cool. This thread is for Bear fans to discuss their views without the mosquitoes buzzing around us.

Thanks for jumping in.

 

[Washington]

That trade was not all luck. Nothing just happens. He made a tough decision and negotiated the terms. That is far from the only good thing he has done. He has been patient building for long term success and preserving the cap to be able to capitalize when needed. That is why the lines are not great because he has not been willing to overspend or mortgage the future.

The panic mode is a scenario you are making up in your head. It appears he got a lot more aggressive about the lines, probably due to Johnson, but these are essentially short-term contracts that are paid out before we have to re-sign Caleb and the rest of the roster is pretty strong already. We have serious draft flexability and good capital to draft rookies to learn under the vets we just signed. We are set up pretty nicely for now and the future.

The lines are got good because I don't believe he is a good judge of talent, mostly on the OL side. He surely didn't value the trenches until this offseason. Building from the outside in was stupid.

He fielded the worst OL in the league last year and is lucky his QB1 is still alive. He saw what Howie Roseman did with the trenches and now is trying to follow suit. It definitely is panic mode to me.

Poles has yet to draft a difference maker. The jury is still out on WR2 and QB1.

This is a 5 win last place team.

I think BJ is probably running the show more than Poles is this offseason. I am good with that.

 

[Washington]

Yes, Sugar it’s worse. I have a positive outlook.

I believe I’m pretty accurate in my evaluations.
If you disagree, that’s cool. This thread is for Bear fans to discuss their views without the mosquitoes buzzing around us.

Thanks for jumping in.

This is a fun thread. I appreciate not having the idiot Lions fans in here.

I tend to base my opinion not on being a positive or negative person. I call a spade a spade and base it on what I have witnessed. As a Bears fan since the 60s, it is very hard to be positive though. I went into last year really positive and the season was pathetic. I was completely sold on CW and after seeing how inaccurate he was throwing downfield, I am now skeptical. I knew he held the ball long like Fields, but he took it to another level which was very alarming. I know he had shit for coaching which falls on Poles, and I am hoping BJ can perform some real magic.

 

[playthrough2001]

This is a fun thread. I appreciate not having the idiot Lions fans in here.

I tend to base my opinion not on being a positive or negative person. I call a spade a spade and base it on what I have witnessed. As a Bears fan since the 60s, it is very hard to be positive though. I went into last year really positive and the season was pathetic. I was completely sold on CW and after seeing how inaccurate he was throwing downfield, I am now skeptical. I knew he held the ball long like Fields, but he took it to another level which was very alarming. I know he had shit for coaching which falls on Poles, and I am hoping BJ can perform some real magic.

I heard something crazy from Stacey Dales on the NFL Network Monday. She said Caleb faced 57 unblocked QB pressures last season. Think about that, that’s an insane number.

That offensive line looked like they’d never seen a stunt. There’s no doubt it had wear on Williams.

 

[pseudonym]

The lines are got good because I don't believe he is a good judge of talent, mostly on the OL side. He surely didn't value the trenches until this offseason. Building from the outside in was stupid.

He fielded the worst OL in the league last year and is lucky his QB1 is still alive. He saw what Howie Roseman did with the trenches and now is trying to follow suit. It definitely is panic mode to me.

Poles has yet to draft a difference maker. The jury is still out on WR2 and QB1.

This is a 5 win last place team.

I think BJ is probably running the show more than Poles is this offseason. I am good with that.

You're not saying we're a 5-win team NOW are you? If so, that's CRAZY, dude. I have us at 9-10 today, pre-draft.

 

[Washington]

You're not saying we're a 5-win team NOW are you? If so, that's CRAZY, dude. I have us at 9-10 today, pre-draft.

I have not predicted next year yet. I had them at 8 wins last year and I am thinking around the same right now until I see how the draft plays out. I do believe they will be last place in the NFCN again. IMHO, the team completely lacks difference makers at this point as well as depth.

 

[Payton34Sayers40]

We often think of George as just the guy representing the McCaskey family/the face of ownership, and don’t give much credence to his football opinions but he nailed this one when he said (paraphrased), “Ryan is young and I want to give him time to grow into the job and learn from his mistakes”.

That was it. That is what we were NOT willing to give him when we were all calling for his head a few months ago. We held this young guy to a standard of doing to soup to nuts gut job rebuild while getting everything right the first time around… or ship him out! A lofty standard that few first time GM’s would ever be able to live up to. That is also the mark of a losing franchise (which we have been for a while now) when you don’t invest in people nor give them room to learn and grow into the job.

That is what Poles has done — he has gained experience, learned valuable lessons and has grown into the job. Credit goes to George for allowing that to happen. Credit goes to Poles for taking advantage of the long leash/second chance to get it right.