Sounds Like Luke Richardson is the New Coach

[hawkinmontreal]

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What the **** are you babbling about?

I can ask you the same, what the **** does Norm Maciver have to do with Richardson as the new coach?

 

[hawkinmontreal]

No one at the moment. Dumpster dive refers to a cheap signing. Try reading the whole post.....I'm guessing he won't be the guy coaching when they are ready to make a run. Doubtful any name coach would step into this mess right now anyway. I see Richardson as a "B" to "A" guy. "A" guy comes later. Examples....Doug Collins to Phil Jackson, Rick Renteria to Joe Maddon or Denis Savard to Coach Q.

Last line of my post says " the name coach comes if and when they build something"

Diehard, I am certainly not saying he will succeed, but if he does, and please don’t educate me on a dumpster dive, the Blackhawks have been dumpster diving for years. So when Carolina hired Rod Brind‘amour was that a dumpster dive? according to you it is? A rookie head coach is not a dumpster dive. Martin St.Louis in Montreal, is it possible that teams are tired of the same old recycled coaches.
You drew up examples of Savard and Q, Collins and Jackson, so what are saying is, from that example the Hawks should go out and sign Trotz, Deboer or a high priced coach, that way they are not considered a dumpster dive. Cheap, of course rookie no experience, but certainly not garbage, Colliton was a dumpster dive.
Besides that what do think the Hawks should do with the Cat? Trade him or keep him.

 

[Diehardfan]

Diehard, I am certainly not saying he will succeed, but if he does, and please don’t educate me on a dumpster dive, the Blackhawks have been dumpster diving for years. So when Carolina hired Rod Brind‘amour was that a dumpster dive? according to you it is? A rookie head coach is not a dumpster dive. Martin St.Louis in Montreal, is it possible that teams are tired of the same old recycled coaches.
You drew up examples of Savard and Q, Collins and Jackson, so what are saying is, from that example the Hawks should go out and sign Trotz, Deboer or a high priced coach, that way they are not considered a dumpster dive. Cheap, of course rookie no experience, but certainly not garbage, Colliton was a dumpster dive.
Besides that what do think the Hawks should do with the Cat? Trade him or keep him.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong. It's just what a lot of teams do....sometimes a young coach works out but most times it's a learning experience for them. Regardless, there's no finite way to pick a coach. A top coach doesn't guarantee anything...if it did, they wouldn't be out there looking for work. The Cat is 24 yrs old and one of the best finishers in the NHL. You build around a player like that, you don't trade him.

 

[hawkinmontreal]

I'm not saying it's right or wrong. It's just what a lot of teams do....sometimes a young coach works out but most times it's a learning experience for them. Regardless, there's no finite way to pick a coach. A top coach doesn't guarantee anything...if it did, they wouldn't be out there looking for work. The Cat is 24 yrs old and one of the best finishers in the NHL. You build around a player like that, you don't trade him.

That’s my feeling exactly, but the rumours are swirling around, I get this feeling losing the cat would be losing Panarin #2.

 

[Granada]

I'm going to get major blowback for saying this, but if you can get an even more massive haul than you got for Hagel, you trade Debrincat. I love the guy, honestly, but if you want a rebuild, that would jumpstart one and then some. You aren't going to get genuine assets for trading guys like Kubalik, Murphy, etc (assuming they can even be moved in the first place). Moving him and the subsequent haul it could bring would take at least 1-2 years off a 5 year rebuild (and 5 years is being generous at this point).

If you're not getting an even more massive haul than you got for Hagel, you absolutely keep him. There's a rumor that Davidson already declined an offer that included two first round picks only, and I'm fine with that. That's not enough. It needs to be an absolute fleece job/haul on the opposing GM in order to trade him.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

Depending on trade package everyone should be made available. Need a nice haul for cat vs others on the team. But the right price shouldn’t be scared to move on from players

 

[Diehardfan]

Going on the assumption that a "good haul" would be draft picks and young prospects.....I would say trading a proven NHL goal scorer that's still only 24 would be a huge gamble. Once Toews and Kane sail off into the sunset, the only there will a lot of Cap space, so his contract shouldn't be a problem. If he was pushing 30, I'd say go for it....but he is still young and very good.

The statement below is not mine....it's a stat based off drafts since 2004 and played at least one NHL game. I wonder if you subtracted the players that played less than 10-15 games what the percentage would be.

What percentage of players drafted make it to the NHL? On average 49% of players who are drafted by an NHL team will make it to the NHL, which means that they play at least one game at the NHL level.

 

[hawkinmontreal]

I'm going to get major blowback for saying this, but if you can get an even more massive haul than you got for Hagel, you trade Debrincat. I love the guy, honestly, but if you want a rebuild, that would jumpstart one and then some. You aren't going to get genuine assets for trading guys like Kubalik, Murphy, etc (assuming they can even be moved in the first place). Moving him and the subsequent haul it could bring would take at least 1-2 years off a 5 year rebuild (and 5 years is being generous at this point).

If you're not getting an even more massive haul than you got for Hagel, you absolutely keep him. There's a rumor that Davidson already declined an offer that included two first round picks only, and I'm fine with that. That's not enough. It needs to be an absolute fleece job/haul on the opposing GM in order to trade him.

This is a very tricky one for the Hawks, Let’s just say the Hawks win the draft lottery next season, Cat and Bedard would be the perfect combo to get the ball rolling around here. 40 goal scorers are hard to come by, The organization need guys like the Cat to build around, I wouldn’t even take Wright for the Cat.

 

[Granada]

I'd consider a good haul for Debrincat to be 1st round pick(s), NHL-ready players and/or top prospect(s). "Regular" prospects don't make the cut.

Top picks are what you need to truly turn your team around, in addition to a competent GM/scouting department of course. From their it's asset accumulation and more importantly management -- i.e. flipping when you should flip, sticking when you should stick, etc.

Out of the entire roster, Debrincat is literally the only piece Davidson can move for a decent haul. Toews, Kane, Jones, and even McCabe and Johnson have modified NMC's. Everyone else on the roster will not fetch you anything but maybe a 2nd rounder at best if you're lucky.

I won't be upset if Debrincat isn't moved because, yes, I do believe you can build a team around him and even Jones. But keeping them will delay the rebuild, because the only way this team will be able to get more assets will be to tank. That's where it gets risky. I mean everybody wants to pull a Colorado, but before you know it, you could be pulling a Buffalo.

 

[Granada]

This is a very tricky one for the Hawks, Let’s just say the Hawks win the draft lottery next season, Cat and Bedard would be the perfect combo to get the ball rolling around here. 40 goal scorers are hard to come by, The organization need guys like the Cat to build around, I wouldn’t even take Wright for the Cat.

Yeah, I mean I can't really blame you there. It is a very tough call.

 

[Diehardfan]

That's where it gets risky. I mean everybody wants to pull a Colorado, but before you know it, you could be pulling a Buffalo.

THIS........

Once again something to thank Bowman for........

 

[hawkinmontreal]

I'd consider a good haul for Debrincat to be 1st round pick(s), NHL-ready players and/or top prospect(s). "Regular" prospects don't make the cut.

Top picks are what you need to truly turn your team around, in addition to a competent GM/scouting department of course. From their it's asset accumulation and more importantly management -- i.e. flipping when you should flip, sticking when you should stick, etc.

Out of the entire roster, Debrincat is literally the only piece Davidson can move for a decent haul. Toews, Kane, Jones, and even McCabe and Johnson have modified NMC's. Everyone else on the roster will not fetch you anything but maybe a 2nd rounder at best if you're lucky.

I won't be upset if Debrincat isn't moved because, yes, I do believe you can build a team around him and even Jones. But keeping them will delay the rebuild, because the only way this team will be able to get more assets will be to tank. That's where it gets risky. I mean everybody wants to pull a Colorado, but before you know it, you could be pulling a Buffalo.

Your right in your assessment, but in fairness Buffalo has gotten it wrong for years, poor management will do that, where Colorado put the right pieces in place from the start. I know exactly what you are getting at, but when guys like Sakic are running the show, you can’t help but think success is not far behind, as the same with Steve Yzerman. When you hear the name Kevyn Adams that doesn’t exactly scream championship aspirations. Drafting is key and like the Hawks during there run, that had a plethora of high end players to choose from, Colorado stroke gold with Makar and Mackinnon. The one thing I find what separates GMs is there vision to see how one player could have a profound effect on a team, example would be a Devon Toews, like Tampa finding that needle in the haystack. The Hawks found plenty of those that had a huge impact on there runs.

 

[MassHavoc]

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I can ask you the same, what the **** does Norm Maciver have to do with Richardson as the new coach?

Learn to read man. I can't help you.

 

[hawkinmontreal]

Learn to read man. I can't help you

Learn to construct a proper sentence and formulate your argument and maybe I wouldn’t have to question your post.

 

[hawkinmontreal]

THIS........

Once again something to thank Bowman for........

Thanks for bringing that guys name up, it’s cringeworthy.

 

[MassHavoc]

Learn to construct a proper sentence and formulate your argument and maybe I wouldn’t have to question your post.

We we're talking about Richardson but thanks for going full fucktard.

 

[LordKOTL]

I'm not saying it's right or wrong. It's just what a lot of teams do....sometimes a young coach works out but most times it's a learning experience for them. Regardless, there's no finite way to pick a coach. A top coach doesn't guarantee anything...if it did, they wouldn't be out there looking for work. The Cat is 24 yrs old and one of the best finishers in the NHL. You build around a player like that, you don't trade him.

In a perfect world, yes. But this is hockey, not football or basketball where the path to a championship can be blazed by a superstar. If it could, Ovi would have far more cups. It takes an entire team which has no major weakness through the lineup--and if something is "weak" (like goaltending for the 2022 Avs or the 2010 'hawks), it's average, at worst.

The 'hawks have Jones and Debrincat right now, and Jones is, at best, a Brian Campbell. He's not a Keith or a Seabrook. He's not even in the same league as those two. He's O-biased but is merely okay in his own zone--he's not a 3-zone monster like Keith was. Ergo, he's need a defensively stalwart partner to have success as our top guy, and we don't have that in our system; there is no Hjammer. Murph is a very pale comparison who wouldn't crack the top-4 on ANY of our cup teams. Ergo, we have a major missing D-piece which would by über-expensive in the FA market (and we're already paying out the urethra for Jones no thanks to the Legume-reckoner), so that piece likely has to be developed from within. Unless Stillman, Vlassic, or Mitchell have some untapped D-talent they haven't shown yet, we haven't got that piece yet, and it'll take the better part of a decade to develop that. Further, in spite of the hype of certain players, they aren't it until they are. So, hypothetically, if Phillips is the next big thing on D can can be a #1-#2, we can't consider him a #1 or a #2 until he is performing as such.

By that time, Debrincat and Jones will be on the wrong side of 30.

Debrincat is, by all definition, the right player at the wrong time. It would be like having the 2010 Patrick Kane circa 2001 or 2002. Instead we got, and developed him in 2008, which is where a O-biased winger like Debrincat needs to come in--hitting their prime about 2-3 years *after* we get the D-core set.

While I certainly wouldn't be upset at keeping Debrincat in the least, I think the 'hawks need to be open to moving him for a the right top-end pieces. Same with everyone else. If there are no moves then keep Debrincat (keeping in mind he has to be qualified above $9M).

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

Exactly we should be good either way. You keep a talent like him fine. But if can get a solid package in a trade shouldn’t be a thing people are mad at either. That’s where this team is today just have to accept reality of the situation

 

[Diehardfan]

In a perfect world, yes. But this is hockey, not football or basketball where the path to a championship can be blazed by a superstar. If it could, Ovi would have far more cups. It takes an entire team which has no major weakness through the lineup--and if something is "weak" (like goaltending for the 2022 Avs or the 2010 'hawks), it's average, at worst.

The 'hawks have Jones and Debrincat right now, and Jones is, at best, a Brian Campbell. He's not a Keith or a Seabrook. He's not even in the same league as those two. He's O-biased but is merely okay in his own zone--he's not a 3-zone monster like Keith was. Ergo, he's need a defensively stalwart partner to have success as our top guy, and we don't have that in our system; there is no Hjammer. Murph is a very pale comparison who wouldn't crack the top-4 on ANY of our cup teams. Ergo, we have a major missing D-piece which would by über-expensive in the FA market (and we're already paying out the urethra for Jones no thanks to the Legume-reckoner), so that piece likely has to be developed from within. Unless Stillman, Vlassic, or Mitchell have some untapped D-talent they haven't shown yet, we haven't got that piece yet, and it'll take the better part of a decade to develop that. Further, in spite of the hype of certain players, they aren't it until they are. So, hypothetically, if Phillips is the next big thing on D can can be a #1-#2, we can't consider him a #1 or a #2 until he is performing as such.

By that time, Debrincat and Jones will be on the wrong side of 30.

Debrincat is, by all definition, the right player at the wrong time. It would be like having the 2010 Patrick Kane circa 2001 or 2002. Instead we got, and developed him in 2008, which is where a O-biased winger like Debrincat needs to come in--hitting their prime about 2-3 years *after* we get the D-core set.

While I certainly wouldn't be upset at keeping Debrincat in the least, I think the 'hawks need to be open to moving him for a the right top-end pieces. Same with everyone else. If there are no moves then keep Debrincat (keeping in mind he has to be qualified above $9M).

One of the more bizarre posts I've read. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm bookmarking this one. In three years when the Hawks are back in the playoffs and everyone here is still around, I'll repost it. On the other side of the coin, if it's 7-10 years(7 for Cat to be 31 or 10 for the Hawks to rebuild their D) and the team is drawing 5,000 and entertaining new ownership.......we can all regale in some incredible hockey foresight.

 

[LordKOTL]

One of the more bizarre posts I've read. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm bookmarking this one. In three years when the Hawks are back in the playoffs and everyone here is still around, I'll repost it. On the other side of the coin, if it's 7-10 years(7 for Cat to be 31 or 10 for the Hawks to rebuild their D) and the team is drawing 5,000 and entertaining new ownership.......we can all regale in some incredible hockey foresight.

Given the trades at the draft, I don't think 3 years will be in the cards; especially with the bad return on Debrincat. But hey, if I am wrong I'll gladly eat crow.

That being said, in spit of KD getting fleeced on Debrincat, he won the Dach trade.