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Hahahahaha

If anybody doesn't think there's home cooking for the Hawks in the NHL office, just show them the perceived pandemic divisions.

Tampa is solid but over the cap and will most likely lose a little depth before the season starts, Seguin and Bishop will be gone most of the year in Dallas if not the entire year, Carolina has depth and is solid, the Jackets still have Torts.....

And the Hawks, with their piss poor additions can actually sneak into a top four spot in the division if one of the beer league goalies pulls his weight and the Hawks commit to a forechecking system that JC wants to play.

Granted, alot would have to go right, they would be playing keep away 5v5 and would be scoring on the PP which they have a hard time doing and pretty much making human walls in front of the goalie, but there is a chances the Hawks could very well make the playoffs in this format.

All they would need is a really hot start
Yeah...I don't see that happening.

On another board I did the math: When Crawford was at the same point in his career as Subban and Delia in terms of shots faced, he was between .917 and .918; and between .911 and .914, respectively. For comparison Delia's a .908 and Subban is a .899--and Subban played behind a much better team defense.

While they both could improve, both aren't giving warm and fuzzy feelings about coming out of nowhere and putting 2 and 2 together and getting a number less than 23. I think they very well might be what they are--Subban might be a .900 goalie and Delia topping out as a .910--Neither of which are good and both will expose a team like the 'hawks which has no defense and gives up a ton of shots. If anything the wildcard if the 'hawks are committed to winning is to start Lankinen. There is zero book on him and he might come in being the better goalie. But, I think there's value in the 'hawks competing with Detroit for the cellar. I hate to think about the 'hawks intentionally tanking but the situation on paper is what it is: There's virtually no slots for upcoming D and them staying in the lineup. Keith and Seabrook are ancient and at best, need their minutes managed. Our combined O has not been able to outpace the horrible D even with Kane+ scoring a metric shit-tonne--and with 2 goalies who in their long careers were significantly above average to exceptional.

I won't discount a possible hot streak, but looking at the division as it sits right now either the opposition has offense that will exploit our Charmin™-soft Team D, defense that will limit even our best O from outscoring the opposition, or both.
 

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Yeah...I don't see that happening.

On another board I did the math: When Crawford was at the same point in his career as Subban and Delia in terms of shots faced, he was between .917 and .918; and between .911 and .914, respectively. For comparison Delia's a .908 and Subban is a .899--and Subban played behind a much better team defense.

While they both could improve, both aren't giving warm and fuzzy feelings about coming out of nowhere and putting 2 and 2 together and getting a number less than 23. I think they very well might be what they are--Subban might be a .900 goalie and Delia topping out as a .910--Neither of which are good and both will expose a team like the 'hawks which has no defense and gives up a ton of shots. If anything the wildcard if the 'hawks are committed to winning is to start Lankinen. There is zero book on him and he might come in being the better goalie. But, I think there's value in the 'hawks competing with Detroit for the cellar. I hate to think about the 'hawks intentionally tanking but the situation on paper is what it is: There's virtually no slots for upcoming D and them staying in the lineup. Keith and Seabrook are ancient and at best, need their minutes managed. Our combined O has not been able to outpace the horrible D even with Kane+ scoring a metric shit-tonne--and with 2 goalies who in their long careers were significantly above average to exceptional.

I won't discount a possible hot streak, but looking at the division as it sits right now either the opposition has offense that will exploit our Charmin™-soft Team D, defense that will limit even our best O from outscoring the opposition, or both.
I'm in that "I think they're going with Lankinen" camp for the reasons you mentioned, but it wouldn't shock me if one of the goalies gets hot and they ride him beyond the hot streak expiration.

I do like Owen Power. I'll throw that out there.....
 

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I'm in that "I think they're going with Lankinen" camp for the reasons you mentioned, but it wouldn't shock me if one of the goalies gets hot and they ride him beyond the hot streak expiration.

I do like Owen Power. I'll throw that out there.....
I honestly think it would be foolish to do so--at least from the season opener. Lankinen is waiver-exempt and both Subban and Delia are sub-average (Subban painfully so). Further, Stan fucked the roster this year by locking in too many middle-pairing defensemen in a "rebuilding year". The Team D is nowhere near good enough to bring along a rookie goaltender, and none of the goaltenders are likely good enough to cover for perennially bad team D.

I think the smart move would be to do what they planned on in 2010: If memory serves Neimi was waiver-eligible, and Crawford was waiver-exempt. They kept Niemi up because, if he sucked (which he didn't), they could waive him and if he was claimed, no harm/no foul. Ditto here. If one of Subban or Delia is bad--like sub-.900 bad (as Subban is at this point), they can waive one of them and in the worst (best) case scenario someone takes him off our hands. In the best (worst) case scenario, they're kept in Rockford. Then, Lankinen gets a shot.

The 'hawks, as constructed, aren't going anywhere on paper. Worst case D and G scenario, the 'hawks will need to average 3.5 Goals/game to stay ahead of the team D (34 shots against per game--which is less than last year's 35.1 number) and Subban's .899 SV%--which maths out to 3.48 GA/GP. Even the 2010-2015 'hawks Team O averaged a 3.01 GF/GP. I think that situation is where the 'hawks should see who between Delia and Subban are superfluous and do what needs to be done with then.

But it is Stan running the show, so I'm expecting some epic buffoonery on his part.
 

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I honestly think it would be foolish to do so--at least from the season opener. Lankinen is waiver-exempt and both Subban and Delia are sub-average (Subban painfully so). Further, Stan fucked the roster this year by locking in too many middle-pairing defensemen in a "rebuilding year". The Team D is nowhere near good enough to bring along a rookie goaltender, and none of the goaltenders are likely good enough to cover for perennially bad team D.

I think the smart move would be to do what they planned on in 2010: If memory serves Neimi was waiver-eligible, and Crawford was waiver-exempt. They kept Niemi up because, if he sucked (which he didn't), they could waive him and if he was claimed, no harm/no foul. Ditto here. If one of Subban or Delia is bad--like sub-.900 bad (as Subban is at this point), they can waive one of them and in the worst (best) case scenario someone takes him off our hands. In the best (worst) case scenario, they're kept in Rockford. Then, Lankinen gets a shot.

The 'hawks, as constructed, aren't going anywhere on paper. Worst case D and G scenario, the 'hawks will need to average 3.5 Goals/game to stay ahead of the team D (34 shots against per game--which is less than last year's 35.1 number) and Subban's .899 SV%--which maths out to 3.48 GA/GP. Even the 2010-2015 'hawks Team O averaged a 3.01 GF/GP. I think that situation is where the 'hawks should see who between Delia and Subban are superfluous and do what needs to be done with then.

But it is Stan running the show, so I'm expecting some epic buffoonery on his part.
We'll also have this to contend with.....

Who makes the taxi squad for the Chicago Blackhawks? (blackhawkup.com)

Is Lankinen the required taxi squad 3rd GT who doesn't get regular playing time in Rockford if he doesn't make the roster or is he in Rockford with little if any chance for a call up?
I believe the team gives Suban EVERY chance to start and then Delia when Suban isn't the guy. Lankinen would have to stand on his head while juggling chainsaws to see major minutes but you've pointed out why NOT playing him a lot could be a good idea. The young Finn tender is also signed through 21-22 so he might have to be patient one more time.
 

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My issue is.....

Say the Hawks have a hot start, like a 10-2-2 start, everything Stan was saying about rebuilding will go out the window and he and the marketing team with brand him a genius.

With a 56 game season and a deep draft, I'm sorry, I'm a huge Hawks fan, but they should be tanking. Toews, Kane, and Keith should be sitting out this year and getting ready for next year.

As much as I want to, I can't sugar coat just how bad this team is in a rut. Not so bad that they get high picks for difference makers, but not good enough that they're worth being in the playoffs. And I just can't see Stan being the guy who can turn things around and he's not going anywhere any time soon.

And I'm not putting it past any of the goalies to have a career year in a shortened season filled with a bunch of variables they hopefully won't have to deal with ever again and then Stan boasting "well we found our guy in net thanks to my astute observations" them watching them be the shits when hockey goes back to normal.

This will be an interesting year

Yeah I can't really fault you for wanting them to tank. 19, 88, and 2 would never want to sit out an entire year though; and I wouldn't want them to, especially at their age -- it's hard to take an entire year off hockey and come back when you're in your early to mid-thirties.

I don't think the team should go into the year looking to tank, but if it does happen, I'd be relatively fine with it. I'm at the point as a fan where I'm just going to see what happens. I have little expectations this year. Even if the Hawks did make the playoffs (which I'm not counting on), they wouldn't go deep -- this is not a team that is anywhere close to a Cup team.

Bowman is such a clown, it impossible to know what his expectations are for this team. He seems to be putting all hope that the vets can stay healthy and actually play like they've been advertised -- not only the core, but guys like Shaw, de Haan, Murphy, and to an extent, Seabrook. On the other hand, f you're rebuilding, then you're not expecting them to be competitive. Again, I really just don't know what the hell his objective is for this team. Maybe he just wants them to tread water -- which is disastrous for a "rebuilding" team. In either case, he's just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.
 

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We'll also have this to contend with.....

Who makes the taxi squad for the Chicago Blackhawks? (blackhawkup.com)

Is Lankinen the required taxi squad 3rd GT who doesn't get regular playing time in Rockford if he doesn't make the roster or is he in Rockford with little if any chance for a call up?
I believe the team gives Suban EVERY chance to start and then Delia when Suban isn't the guy. Lankinen would have to stand on his head while juggling chainsaws to see major minutes but you've pointed out why NOT playing him a lot could be a good idea. The young Finn tender is also signed through 21-22 so he might have to be patient one more time.

I still never really understood what happened with Delia. If memory serves, he was decent in the time he was with the big club; so Bowman signs him to a multi-year contract around 1 million (I want to say). A .908 % isn't mind-blowing but it certainly isn't horrible for a rookie. All indications were that he would at least be the backup the next year behind Crawford, so why wasn't he? Was it another Bowman ****-up? I mean, why even sign the guy in the first place?

I hated the Lehner move, immediately when it was announced. In the end, it was just another ridiculous misstep by Bowman to not groom Delia -- or whoever -- under Crawford last year. If he hadn't signed Lehner, perhaps we wouldn't be in such a clusterfuck at the position this year.
 

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Yeah I can't really fault you for wanting them to tank. 19, 88, and 2 would never want to sit out an entire year though; and I wouldn't want them to, especially at their age -- it's hard to take an entire year off hockey and come back when you're in your early to mid-thirties.

I don't think the team should go into the year looking to tank, but if it does happen, I'd be relatively fine with it. I'm at the point as a fan where I'm just going to see what happens. I have little expectations this year. Even if the Hawks did make the playoffs (which I'm not counting on), they wouldn't go deep -- this is not a team that is anywhere close to a Cup team.

Bowman is such a clown, it impossible to know what his expectations are for this team. He seems to be putting all hope that the vets can stay healthy and actually play like they've been advertised -- not only the core, but guys like Shaw, de Haan, Murphy, and to an extent, Seabrook. On the other hand, f you're rebuilding, then you're not expecting them to be competitive. Again, I really just don't know what the hell his objective is for this team. Maybe he just wants them to tread water -- which is disastrous for a "rebuilding" team. In either case, he's just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.
Does bringing in two veteran D-men and three veteran forwards last year and two more veteran forwards this year scream rebuilding for anyone? Guys like the Marks brothers are fine for a team that's just a penalty killer or bottom six forward away but that sure as hell ain't the Hawks!
Why not give kids like Entwistle and Kurashez the shot if the team's rebuilding?
Why not buy out de Haan and/or trade Murphy to make room for Mitchell,Beaudin or Carlsson if the team's rebuilding?
Cagguila just signed with the Yotes for 700K while SB pays Zach Smith 3.2M.....who's the more effective player?
"Treading water" and "throwing shit at the wall" seems to be the new vision(LOL) ..........ownership and the FO are just not interested in being bad enough to get the necessary draft picks for a thorough rebuild.
We saw the Rangers buyout and retain money to move several popular,high paid players when they announced their rebuild and they're well under way because of it.
I'm just gonna see what happens too but my money's on more mid-pack/no man's land with no chance to advance or to get a top three pick.
 

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I still never really understood what happened with Delia. If memory serves, he was decent in the time he was with the big club; so Bowman signs him to a multi-year contract around 1 million (I want to say). A .908 % isn't mind-blowing but it certainly isn't horrible for a rookie. All indications were that he would at least be the backup the next year behind Crawford, so why wasn't he? Was it another Bowman ****-up? I mean, why even sign the guy in the first place?

I hated the Lehner move, immediately when it was announced. In the end, it was just another ridiculous misstep by Bowman to not groom Delia -- or whoever -- under Crawford last year. If he hadn't signed Lehner, perhaps we wouldn't be in such a clusterfuck at the position this year.
SB said the core should have seen the rebuild coming the last couple years after spending over 20M on five veteran players two summers ago......how can this fool say these things?
I remember me saying Lehner was a decent signing for 5M when you said he was an unnecessary signing and the team ended up the same 2 over with him they were the year before so I have to say unnecessary was correct and not getting a look at the young tenders isn't what a rebuilding team does either.
Delia looked dam good in his 1st dozen games but the league figured him out a bit in his last few(which isn't unusual),we needed to see more last year but the rebuilding team was busy paying their goaltenders 11 million bucks!
 

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Does bringing in two veteran D-men and three veteran forwards last year and two more veteran forwards this year scream rebuilding for anyone? Guys like the Marks brothers are fine for a team that's just a penalty killer or bottom six forward away but that sure as hell ain't the Hawks!
Why not give kids like Entwistle and Kurashez the shot if the team's rebuilding?
Why not buy out de Haan and/or trade Murphy to make room for Mitchell,Beaudin or Carlsson if the team's rebuilding?
Cagguila just signed with the Yotes for 700K while SB pays Zach Smith 3.2M.....who's the more effective player?
"Treading water" and "throwing shit at the wall" seems to be the new vision(LOL) ..........ownership and the FO are just not interested in being bad enough to get the necessary draft picks for a thorough rebuild.
We saw the Rangers buyout and retain money to move several popular,high paid players when they announced their rebuild and they're well under way because of it.
I'm just gonna see what happens too but my money's on more mid-pack/no man's land with no chance to advance or to get a top three pick.
Agree with most of this but I wouldn't trade Murphy unless I was getting a haul back in return. The guys a stud.
 

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We'll also have this to contend with.....

Who makes the taxi squad for the Chicago Blackhawks? (blackhawkup.com)

Is Lankinen the required taxi squad 3rd GT who doesn't get regular playing time in Rockford if he doesn't make the roster or is he in Rockford with little if any chance for a call up?
I believe the team gives Suban EVERY chance to start and then Delia when Suban isn't the guy. Lankinen would have to stand on his head while juggling chainsaws to see major minutes but you've pointed out why NOT playing him a lot could be a good idea. The young Finn tender is also signed through 21-22 so he might have to be patient one more time.
I didn't think about the whole taxi squad situation, but it then would make sense to have Lankinen in Rockford.

Unfortunately, he's signed out as long as Subban and Delia. But, on the positive if this year is the litmus test for Subban and Delia (and I agree that Subban is going to get every chance), then by next year I think the weaker of the two has go to be Rockforded or gone, and Lankinen up.

Yeah I can't really fault you for wanting them to tank. 19, 88, and 2 would never want to sit out an entire year though; and I wouldn't want them to, especially at their age -- it's hard to take an entire year off hockey and come back when you're in your early to mid-thirties.

I don't think the team should go into the year looking to tank, but if it does happen, I'd be relatively fine with it. I'm at the point as a fan where I'm just going to see what happens. I have little expectations this year. Even if the Hawks did make the playoffs (which I'm not counting on), they wouldn't go deep -- this is not a team that is anywhere close to a Cup team.

Bowman is such a clown, it impossible to know what his expectations are for this team. He seems to be putting all hope that the vets can stay healthy and actually play like they've been advertised -- not only the core, but guys like Shaw, de Haan, Murphy, and to an extent, Seabrook. On the other hand, f you're rebuilding, then you're not expecting them to be competitive. Again, I really just don't know what the hell his objective is for this team. Maybe he just wants them to tread water -- which is disastrous for a "rebuilding" team. In either case, he's just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.
Well, it is Bowman, and he's an accounting mind, not a hockey mind.

I think if the 'hawks were indeed trying to 100% tank then Kane, Toews, etc. would be fetching off Eddie O every other night. That's not the way to do it. What they need to do is get some of the youth into the more critical situations, but with the older core in reserve/guidance. So maybe you rely on Boqvist (or Mitchell if he plays) over Keith in the PP. You might start trying to get Dach to take more critivcal draws or just more draws in general to see if his faceoff skill goes up.

You don't look to tank, you look to train, so-to-speak.
I still never really understood what happened with Delia. If memory serves, he was decent in the time he was with the big club; so Bowman signs him to a multi-year contract around 1 million (I want to say). A .908 % isn't mind-blowing but it certainly isn't horrible for a rookie. All indications were that he would at least be the backup the next year behind Crawford, so why wasn't he? Was it another Bowman ****-up? I mean, why even sign the guy in the first place?

I hated the Lehner move, immediately when it was announced. In the end, it was just another ridiculous misstep by Bowman to not groom Delia -- or whoever -- under Crawford last year. If he hadn't signed Lehner, perhaps we wouldn't be in such a clusterfuck at the position this year.
I partially agree... .908 isn't bad, but it isn't particularly good either. Niemi was better. Crawford was better. There is the chance for improvement of course but it's not world-beating. Plus, you have to take a horrible D in front of him under consideration as well.

It was a fuckup by Bowman...with layers. Yes, if they were worried about the health and longevity of Crawford coupled with how bare the goalie cupboards are, getting a great bonafied starter like Lehner makes sense...if they stuck to the plan. They didn't. Lehner wasn't extended and was traded for Subban (fuckup 1). That mean an entire year of Delia's development was lost (fuckup 2), and then they go into this year with Delia and Subban with no vet presense behind them (fuckup 3), and he locked the D in front of him (fuckup 4).

Delia though--who knows? He could have become better with time. But it really seems like Stan needs to shit or get off the pot. We were nowhere in 2019. Based on a short win streak Bowman decided to go for it in 2020 with his G and D acquisitions...and it went nowhere. Now we're rebuilding at a worse position for development than we were if we would have come into 2020 with a rebuilding/training mindset.
Agree with most of this but I wouldn't trade Murphy unless I was getting a haul back in return. The guys a stud.
Ehh...stud is a heavy word. Hjammer was a stud and the litmus paper we measure defensive studs by--and Murph is not Hjammer--maybe an aged, worn-down Hjammer, but not a prime Hjammer.

Murph and Zaddy are a good, solid middle pair--and ideally one we'd want to keep around...however, we have to liberate someone from the defense and not get rakes over the coals in the process. Seabrook is likely a pipe dream. DeHaan might have negative value. It may be we suck it up and deal Murphy.
 

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Agree with most of this but I wouldn't trade Murphy unless I was getting a haul back in return. The guys a stud.
The flat cap has moved Murphy's 3.85MX2 from a good value to a decent at best value and I like Murp. He's a reliable mid pair guy who offers little offensively,I thought we'd see a return a while back myself but Maata was our best PO D-man and we had to eat 750K to move him with nothing coming back.
I'd keep Murphy if the team was a legit contender but they're far from it and space needs to be cleared to play the kids......shoulda bought out de Haan.
 

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I didn't think about the whole taxi squad situation, but it then would make sense to have Lankinen in Rockford.

Unfortunately, he's signed out as long as Subban and Delia. But, on the positive if this year is the litmus test for Subban and Delia (and I agree that Subban is going to get every chance), then by next year I think the weaker of the two has go to be Rockforded or gone, and Lankinen up.


Well, it is Bowman, and he's an accounting mind, not a hockey mind.

I think if the 'hawks were indeed trying to 100% tank then Kane, Toews, etc. would be fetching off Eddie O every other night. That's not the way to do it. What they need to do is get some of the youth into the more critical situations, but with the older core in reserve/guidance. So maybe you rely on Boqvist (or Mitchell if he plays) over Keith in the PP. You might start trying to get Dach to take more critivcal draws or just more draws in general to see if his faceoff skill goes up.

You don't look to tank, you look to train, so-to-speak.

I partially agree... .908 isn't bad, but it isn't particularly good either. Niemi was better. Crawford was better. There is the chance for improvement of course but it's not world-beating. Plus, you have to take a horrible D in front of him under consideration as well.

It was a fuckup by Bowman...with layers. Yes, if they were worried about the health and longevity of Crawford coupled with how bare the goalie cupboards are, getting a great bonafied starter like Lehner makes sense...if they stuck to the plan. They didn't. Lehner wasn't extended and was traded for Subban (fuckup 1). That mean an entire year of Delia's development was lost (fuckup 2), and then they go into this year with Delia and Subban with no vet presense behind them (fuckup 3), and he locked the D in front of him (fuckup 4).

Delia though--who knows? He could have become better with time. But it really seems like Stan needs to shit or get off the pot. We were nowhere in 2019. Based on a short win streak Bowman decided to go for it in 2020 with his G and D acquisitions...and it went nowhere. Now we're rebuilding at a worse position for development than we were if we would have come into 2020 with a rebuilding/training mindset.

Ehh...stud is a heavy word. Hjammer was a stud and the litmus paper we measure defensive studs by--and Murph is not Hjammer--maybe an aged, worn-down Hjammer, but not a prime Hjammer.

Murph and Zaddy are a good, solid middle pair--and ideally one we'd want to keep around...however, we have to liberate someone from the defense and not get rakes over the coals in the process. Seabrook is likely a pipe dream. DeHaan might have negative value. It may be we suck it up and deal Murphy.
I guess we have to weigh the value of the 3rd rounder we got for Lehner against the missed opportunity of not seeing Delia and Lankinen gettin' 15-20 starts each. As it is,the Org has no idea what Lankinen looks like against NHL competition and next to no idea what Delia looks like.
 

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I guess we have to weigh the value of the 3rd rounder we got for Lehner against the missed opportunity of not seeing Delia and Lankinen gettin' 15-20 starts each. As it is,the Org has no idea what Lankinen looks like against NHL competition and next to no idea what Delia looks like.
Basically. But on the other hand how much did Neimi getting the nod over Crawford in 2010 in spite of Crawford beating him out of camp really affect Crawford's career (and who so far has had the better career)? Sure, the 3rd cup would have been nice but I think with Lankinen and Delia sitting this year out shouldn't hurt much if at all in the long run.

The real question I think is what happens after this year. I think we have to see some of Lankinen at the NHL level at some point. He could be the next guy, or maybe not--we just don't know. But It would royally...and I mean ROYALLY suck if something like Subban and Delia are alright in net in spite of the Gong Show in front of them, so Stan decides to run with them and Lankinen, sight unseen, is let go. Now, if Subban/Delia both pop over .920 then maybe, but I somehow doubt that. One or both of them is going to get a sizable chunk of games and get a lot of shots so hopefully any numbers will be more-or-less normalized...and we can get a glimpse of what they are--especially under fire.

I would hope that after/during this year some extraneous players move and clear things out...on a well-run team it should. That should free up guys like Lankinen for next year. But really looking at it for guys like Lankinen, Mitchell, Beaudin, etc., if they aren't going to get a real, bonified shot this year and given the team makeup (at least how I see it), a full season with responsibilities in Rockford would be better than a partial season with the 'hawks where they wouldn't get the responsibilities...and to be honest, I have zero faith that Stan and his cronies will stick to a rebuilding mindset.
 

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I didn't think about the whole taxi squad situation, but it then would make sense to have Lankinen in Rockford.

Unfortunately, he's signed out as long as Subban and Delia. But, on the positive if this year is the litmus test for Subban and Delia (and I agree that Subban is going to get every chance), then by next year I think the weaker of the two has go to be Rockforded or gone, and Lankinen up.


Well, it is Bowman, and he's an accounting mind, not a hockey mind.

I think if the 'hawks were indeed trying to 100% tank then Kane, Toews, etc. would be fetching off Eddie O every other night. That's not the way to do it. What they need to do is get some of the youth into the more critical situations, but with the older core in reserve/guidance. So maybe you rely on Boqvist (or Mitchell if he plays) over Keith in the PP. You might start trying to get Dach to take more critivcal draws or just more draws in general to see if his faceoff skill goes up.

You don't look to tank, you look to train, so-to-speak.

I partially agree... .908 isn't bad, but it isn't particularly good either. Niemi was better. Crawford was better. There is the chance for improvement of course but it's not world-beating. Plus, you have to take a horrible D in front of him under consideration as well.

It was a fuckup by Bowman...with layers. Yes, if they were worried about the health and longevity of Crawford coupled with how bare the goalie cupboards are, getting a great bonafied starter like Lehner makes sense...if they stuck to the plan. They didn't. Lehner wasn't extended and was traded for Subban (fuckup 1). That mean an entire year of Delia's development was lost (fuckup 2), and then they go into this year with Delia and Subban with no vet presense behind them (fuckup 3), and he locked the D in front of him (fuckup 4).

Delia though--who knows? He could have become better with time. But it really seems like Stan needs to shit or get off the pot. We were nowhere in 2019. Based on a short win streak Bowman decided to go for it in 2020 with his G and D acquisitions...and it went nowhere. Now we're rebuilding at a worse position for development than we were if we would have come into 2020 with a rebuilding/training mindset.

Ehh...stud is a heavy word. Hjammer was a stud and the litmus paper we measure defensive studs by--and Murph is not Hjammer--maybe an aged, worn-down Hjammer, but not a prime Hjammer.

Murph and Zaddy are a good, solid middle pair--and ideally one we'd want to keep around...however, we have to liberate someone from the defense and not get rakes over the coals in the process. Seabrook is likely a pipe dream. DeHaan might have negative value. It may be we suck it up and deal Murphy.

I'm sorry but again, getting Lehner made no sense. If your goalie cupboards are bare, you make a move for a younger goalie and develop; or you sign a guy that has multiple years on his contract (not for one year, when you know Lehner is going to want big bucks even if he has a down year). The Hawks were never going to be able to sign Lehner. It was a ridiculously stupid and short-sighted move -- and that isn't me talking in hindsight, I was saying this the very moment it was announced. But anyways, old news now.
 

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Does bringing in two veteran D-men and three veteran forwards last year and two more veteran forwards this year scream rebuilding for anyone? Guys like the Marks brothers are fine for a team that's just a penalty killer or bottom six forward away but that sure as hell ain't the Hawks!
Why not give kids like Entwistle and Kurashez the shot if the team's rebuilding?
Why not buy out de Haan and/or trade Murphy to make room for Mitchell,Beaudin or Carlsson if the team's rebuilding?
Cagguila just signed with the Yotes for 700K while SB pays Zach Smith 3.2M.....who's the more effective player?
"Treading water" and "throwing shit at the wall" seems to be the new vision(LOL) ..........ownership and the FO are just not interested in being bad enough to get the necessary draft picks for a thorough rebuild.
We saw the Rangers buyout and retain money to move several popular,high paid players when they announced their rebuild and they're well under way because of it.
I'm just gonna see what happens too but my money's on more mid-pack/no man's land with no chance to advance or to get a top three pick.

I've said before that I'm fine with bringing in a few vets here and there -- even on a rebuilding team -- but at this point (with his somewhat knee-jerk Soderberg signing), it's obvious that Bowman is just doing what he always does. He's signing old vets for roles they aren't ideal for and expecting them to help the team tread water.

Great point about Caggiula and Smith; just illustrates Bowman's incompetency. I still remember when he re-signed Panik for 2.8 million. And Frolik (over Brouwer) for 2.5. etc.

Like I said though, I understand wanting a few vets even on a rebuilding team -- but the Soderberg move especially, to me, clearly indicates that Bowman doesn't want a rebuild.
 

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