Stan Bowman

[zack54attack]

How much longer does he get? It's early and I thought this team was a real playoff contender after struggling the past two seasons. But all indications look like we are in for another non-playoff year unless they can turn it around.

So, how much longer does Bowman get in Chicago?

 

[Granada]

How much longer does he get? It's early and I thought this team was a real playoff contender after struggling the past two seasons. But all indications look like we are in for another non-playoff year unless they can turn it around.

So, how much longer does Bowman get in Chicago?

If I had my way, Bowman would be gone before anyone. I'm still angry we lost a hall-of-fame coach in Quenneville for him last year -- I realize that's the m.o. in sports (for the coach to always be the fall guy for the GM), yet nevertheless.

Now, do I think that happens? That depends on if the org. will have the guts to do so and if Papa Scotty doesn't have pull from his cushy org role. I feel like his dad will have pull, so I feel that they'll give Stan one more fall-guy in Colliton.

Point being, I wouldn't be surprised if Bowman sticks around through the 2020-2021 season. I hope I'm wrong and that the org would have the guts to fire him asap/this off-season if this year implodes, but I'm not optimistic they would.

 

[zack54attack]

If I had my way, Bowman would be gone before anyone. I'm still angry we lost a hall-of-fame coach in Quenneville for him last year -- I realize that's the m.o. in sports (for the coach to always be the fall guy for the GM), yet nevertheless.

Now, do I think that happens? That depends on if the org. will have the guts to do so and if Papa Scotty doesn't have pull from his cushy org role. I feel like his dad will have pull, so I feel that they'll give Stan one more fall-guy in Colliton.

Point being, I wouldn't be surprised if Bowman sticks around through the 2020-2021 season. I hope I'm wrong and that the org would have the guts to fire him asap/this off-season if this year implodes, but I'm not optimistic they would.

Probably should have been gone last year. Agreed.

 

[Ares]

We won 3 Cups under his tenure, I am betting they give him at least 2-3 more years.

Not saying it is necessarily the right decision, but it is what I think happens.

I think we look to be in year 2 of a mini-rebuild with a new coach, hoping to eek out 1 more Cup run with our aging core.

 

[mikita's helmet]

We won 3 Cups under his tenure, I am betting they give him at least 2-3 more years.

Not saying it is necessarily the right decision, but it is what I think happens.

I think we look to be in year 2 of a mini-rebuild with a new coach, hoping to eek out 1 more Cup run with our aging core.

I think this is his last year, if he doesn't turn it around quick, ...and we miss the playooofs again..

He may even be fired sooner if the upcoming road games (9 of the next 11?) go south.

 

[vadarx]

I can see after this season, but, tbh, I would not be surprised if he gets another year after Crawford takes over in a few weeks and we miss the playoffs by less than 10 points.

 

[anotheridiot]

I can see after this season, but, tbh, I would not be surprised if he gets another year after Crawford takes over in a few weeks and we miss the playoffs by less than 10 points.

I agree. I think he will be credited for bringing Crawford here and credited if he turns it around.

But what is it? The guy is not a mute, if he had something to add there might be some different play. Just probably think of Zach Smith sticking around if Crawford will take over. I mean, they have history right? His captain our captain?

 

[anotheridiot]

Brent Seabroke is speaking out, saying he has alot to offer a team, so since there was supposedly interest in the off season but Broke would not waive his NMC, maybe this is a genius plot to have him ask for a trade and Bowman needs some credit?

 

[MassHavoc]

He should have been gone years ago. When he started bringing back guys like Sharp for nostalgia.

 

[hawkinmontreal]

He should of been gone with Q after the embarrassment versus Nashville in 2017

 

[hawkinmontreal]

Brent Seabroke is speaking out, saying he has alot to offer a team, so since there was supposedly interest in the off season but Broke would not waive his NMC, maybe this is a genius plot to have him ask for a trade and Bowman needs some credit?

It would be great to rid that contract.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

He should have been fired last year mid way through the season. I wouldn’t have given him power to waste company resources on another coach. I wouldn’t have let him make those trades. And I sure as hell wouldn’t have let him have that number three over all pick

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

We won 3 Cups under his tenure, I am betting they give him at least 2-3 more years.

Not saying it is necessarily the right decision, but it is what I think happens.

I think we look to be in year 2 of a mini-rebuild with a new coach, hoping to eek out 1 more Cup run with our aging core.

He's at the end of that 2 or 3 more years you're betting on now, some bonehead moves he's made and no playoffs... and a poor showing this year will be his path to the exit sign. Rockwell has to see it, very expensive ticket prices for a crap product. The consecutive home sellout streak is in jeopardy.

Also the Grinch is not a hockey brain and should have nothing to do with the hire of a new GM, if he does Blackhawk nation is FUCKED.

As far as JC his 1st 20 games as HC he was a dismal 4-13-3, but in his next 30 games he was 17-10-3, too early to call him a bust.

 

[CRM 114]

Bowman should have been fired years ago. He has been coasting off of Tallon’s success for the past 10 years.

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

Bowman should have been fired years ago. He has been coasting off of Tallon’s success for the past 10 years.

The team/core was there when he stepped in, he had to keep competent role players through the Cup years and he did that. He is not the GM that will get this team to a high level and he needs to go but if the Hawks do turn it around this year and somehow make the playoffs we'll be stuck with him. Not making the playoffs again this year has to be the end for him or Rocky is just paying more attention to his world class liquor cabinet and not the team he owns.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Ok but Bowman isn't responsible for 52 shots to 20. Thats a system issue.

something is wrong with the coaches system and deployment of players and until that is rectified I don't want to discuss the bounty of talent Bowman has amassed in the Hawks system right now.

Look, they have a couple players they can move if there is a huge issue. Shaw/Smith are kinda the biggest problem after Toews not being a top 20 center.

The price of oil has gone up and the Hawks will be able to fix their team, and the net minding is good so at some point this team can go on a long run. We need to weather the storm and figure out why JC's system doesn't work at this level. The game is constantly evolving and he always was going to have to adapt to be a successful coach.

Lets see how he handles this, how Bowman manages his volume of assets to fix this team at the trade deadline, and what happens when Boqvist is asked to return and add some offensive pop to the team.

I kinda saw this early stretch being an issue, but the way we are losing is concerning. All I can say for certain is that our system has some major flaws. There is no way these players are getting out played that badly. Something is not leading to shots...this is way too hard.

I look forward to 2020 and am curious what these guys can make of 2019. The division may leave an opening late enough for the Hawks to rally. Nylander has played so well I am indifferent to keeping Dach or not, however, the trading of Perlini signals to me the decision is made.

 

[LordKOTL]

He should of been gone with Q after the embarrassment versus Nashville in 2016.

1st, hate to be a Richard Cranium here, but us getting annihilated by Nashville was 2017--we lost again in the 1st round to St. Louis in 2016. But to your point, I wouldn't have been upset if that was the case--Stan and Q out on their asses after that embarrassment.

But I think at the least that should have been their final warning. The following year--2018 should have been the de facto heave-ho for both of them. Losing Crawford should not have been an excuse--the team was shit when Crawford was carrying their carcasses, and it was shit afterwards. Both Stan and Q should have been on the clock that year to get something out of the skaters, and neither did. Even if the 'hawks weren't going to make the playoffs losing Crawford, they should have either gotten more out of the anemic skater core that season, or fully embraced the tank and started playing the kids more--hell, we were already losing so it's not like giving the youth more icetime would have made the result worse. They both failed that year. By not doing so it basically kicked the rebuild down a year in my estimation.

Ok but Bowman isn't responsible for 52 shots to 20. Thats a system issue.

something is wrong with the coaches system and deployment of players and until that is rectified I don't want to discuss the bounty of talent Bowman has amassed in the Hawks system right now.

Look, they have a couple players they can move if there is a huge issue. Shaw/Smith are kinda the biggest problem after Toews not being a top 20 center.

The price of oil has gone up and the Hawks will be able to fix their team, and the net minding is good so at some point this team can go on a long run. We need to weather the storm and figure out why JC's system doesn't work at this level. The game is constantly evolving and he always was going to have to adapt to be a successful coach.

Lets see how he handles this, how Bowman manages his volume of assets to fix this team at the trade deadline, and what happens when Boqvist is asked to return and add some offensive pop to the team.

I kinda saw this early stretch being an issue, but the way we are losing is concerning. All I can say for certain is that our system has some major flaws. There is no way these players are getting out played that badly. Something is not leading to shots...this is way too hard.

I look forward to 2020 and am curious what these guys can make of 2019. The division may leave an opening late enough for the Hawks to rally. Nylander has played so well I am indifferent to keeping Dach or not, however, the trading of Perlini signals to me the decision is made.

Stan is indirectly to blame for the 51-20 shot differential. JC is his coach. The failure of JC to get anything out of the core indirectly falls on Stan--He fired a 3-time cup-winning coach (irrespective of whether or not Q needed to go) and brought in a guy so green it makes Kermit jealous. It reflects on Bowman's ability to bring in a Coach who will win vs. a Yes-man.

 

[Granada]

Stan is indirectly to blame for the 51-20 shot differential. JC is his coach. The failure of JC to get anything out of the core indirectly falls on Stan--He fired a 3-time cup-winning coach (irrespective of whether or not Q needed to go) and brought in a guy so green it makes Kermit jealous. It reflects on Bowman's ability to bring in a Coach who will win vs. a Yes-man.

Agree and not only that, Bowman is obviously responsible for the personnel. Whether by design or not, Bowman continues to do this "rebuild on the fly" shit. As GM, he needs to make a decision: either tear it all down (and actually rebuild), or load up (and by load up, I mean substantially; bring in a bonafide top-six forward and/or top-4 as opposed to guys like Shaw and De Haan) to actually help the remaining vets.

He had the space to load up this off-season, but he wasted it by getting Lehner (who's been good, but nevertheless, that money should have been used to bring in a bonafide top-six forward or top-four D; you can't have 5 to 6 million sitting on the bench every single game), Shaw (another retread, because you know, they've worked out just so well up to this point), etc.

What he brought in last off-season should have been enough for him to be fired immediately. His complete lack of action last off-season pretty much set up Quenneville to fail last year.

 

[LordKOTL]

Agree and not only that, Bowman is obviously responsible for the personnel. Whether by design or not, Bowman continues to do this "rebuild on the fly" shit. As GM, he needs to make a decision: either tear it all down (and actually rebuild), or load up (and by load up, I mean substantially; bring in a bonafide top-six forward and/or top-4 as opposed to guys like Shaw and De Haan) to actually help the remaining vets.

He had the space to load up this off-season, but he wasted it by getting Lehner (who's been good, but nevertheless, that money should have been used to bring in a bonafide top-six forward or top-four D; you can't have 5 to 6 million sitting on the bench every single game), Shaw (another retread, because you know, they've worked out just so well up to this point), etc.

What he brought in last off-season should have been enough for him to be fired immediately. His complete lack of action last off-season pretty much set up Quenneville to fail last year.

I agree, except for the "bring in a bonafied top-6 FWD or top-4D" because I don't think 5M buys that anymore. 5M might buy a top-6/top-4, but with enough risk to not make them "bonafied". It might get us, say, and aged Hjammer who's more-or-less Murphy, but definitely not a prime Hjammer anymore. A Murphy or Murphy+ would help...but it wouldn't save the team from itself as-is--We'd need to jettison, say, 6.8M for that (which is sitting in the pressbox now).?

I guess I can take some morbid fascination from this in that seeing the moves like bringing Boqvist up, Seabs being pressboxed, the core playing like ass, etc. is to my eye the team de facto imploding. Seeing this entire mess makes me think Stan & Co. don't survive this year without a miracle--especially if it stops putting butts in the seats.

 

[Granada]

I agree, except for the "bring in a bonafied top-6 FWD or top-4D" because I don't think 5M buys that anymore. 5M might buy a top-6/top-4, but with enough risk to not make them "bonafied". It might get us, say, and aged Hjammer who's more-or-less Murphy, but definitely not a prime Hjammer anymore. A Murphy or Murphy+ would help...but it wouldn't save the team from itself as-is--We'd need to jettison, say, 6.8M for that (which is sitting in the pressbox now).?

I guess I can take some morbid fascination from this in that seeing the moves like bringing Boqvist up, Seabs being pressboxed, the core playing like ass, etc. is to my eye the team de facto imploding. Seeing this entire mess makes me think Stan & Co. don't survive this year without a miracle--especially if it stops putting butts in the seats.

5 million doesn't -- no -- but it does if you don't waste however much on Shaw, Maatta, De Haan, etc. I didn't just mean 5M, I meant in combination with all the guys he brought in this off-season. Also, Bowman had plenty cap space heading into this off-season, so the money excuse can't be used here.

This is what Bowman always does: he always tries to get middling players instead of bonafide players. I would have rather him put all his eggs in his basket for a top-six forward and top 4 D.