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Who the **** cares if he was a +28.
I expect alot more for that amount of coin.
I expect alot more for that amount of coin.
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Again... if you read what I wrote.
But I know that's not your thing.
But I know that's not your thing.
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Your not showing games played either, and his injuries should be taken into account. To me it looked as if he was rushed back on a struggling team this past season. I personally think we need to hold onto Campbell for 1-2 more years when we know Leddy is ready to step in. We've also seen when there is no Campbell the line up this team has a hard time carryin the puck up the ice.
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Plus stats are a joke, and very misleading. They specific player, player being D-MAN (X) is 1/12 of the variables that contribute to his specifc plus rating.
Goal scorers are premium. There isnt much to debate with that.
Assists can be misleading as well, as some of the ehh players milk their line mate(s) for secondary assists, thos line mates being Tier 1 and Tier 2 type players. But one would ask why that player is on a line with those groupings, one being the parity in the league, and 2nd the new trend in line juggling which has been on the rise since 2005.
So with that said, there is more to a players salary than just specific numbers besides most of the time, goal scorers. There are variables to the game which make that player have a value.
Now is Campbell overpaid? Yes. Without a doubt. If there is a taker that would take on his salary without a dump in return, you do it, and you do not think twice about it. Real simple logic.
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I think some of the things Bowman said seems to have been missed.
Scott - after re-reading it - it seemed more like Bowman was saying he hoped Scott would develop into more of a one trick pony. Well, hoping still is free.
Centers- ok, so he wants one - who then goes? There are a couple of things that need to happen in that case. One of which is that some room needs to be freed up. Also in this case, there is one open slot at Center -but that is Johnson -which isn't going to free up anything for the most part. So in that case who goes? Well, who is marketable? To me it seems part of any package would have to Bolland or Hjallmarsson... I'm not sure Hjallmarsson would be that easy to sell (or as easy to sell as Bolland).
Campbell - well, you know the albatross there is the contract; and you can discuss all day long about his value as a player to the team, but I think that the larger issue is that you can't trade Campbell without getting a like contract back -so in effect, it ends up becoming a push if you can even make it happen imo. Also imo, what's the point, Campbell is a servicable defenseman. If you have to take a bad contract back, why not stick with a guy that is still playing at a high level in a position in which the team needs depth?
I don't think that Havlat was that good of a checker -so the old Havlat Bolland line as an example of a checking line -well, frankly it just wasn't so. It was just a secondary scoring line -and was not a checking line - it was the line that got to get out there and not be facing the other team's top choice of line to face the top line in that season. So -- what is a 4th line?
I suppose it can be an "energy line" whatever that exactly is ... sounds more like a line where guys run around and just hit guys ... which is nice, but is sort of redundant. If it were me, it would be a center that is pretty good at faceoffs, can control rebounds, as well as limit to opposition forwards mobility in the defensive zone - not necessarily going out there and running guys (running guys usually ends up getting you, the forward on the ice - out of position ... and ends up creating opposing scoring chances -- especially when you miss your "enegry hit attempt"). You know of any Ryan Johnson clones that play winger? A LW and a RW like that would be a nice addition.
See, the idea is to limit the other teams shots -sort of not exactly in synch with a puck movement defense style, but -well - if it were me, I would want one that can limit shots on goals consistently. Limit opposing scoring opportunities on a consistent basis... but then again- :/ that sorta sounds like the trap - I wonder if you can run a trap by lines -some do some don't - would that sorta end up like switching hands in a boxing match?
Oh well... I guess we'll see what happens.
Scott - after re-reading it - it seemed more like Bowman was saying he hoped Scott would develop into more of a one trick pony. Well, hoping still is free.
Centers- ok, so he wants one - who then goes? There are a couple of things that need to happen in that case. One of which is that some room needs to be freed up. Also in this case, there is one open slot at Center -but that is Johnson -which isn't going to free up anything for the most part. So in that case who goes? Well, who is marketable? To me it seems part of any package would have to Bolland or Hjallmarsson... I'm not sure Hjallmarsson would be that easy to sell (or as easy to sell as Bolland).
Campbell - well, you know the albatross there is the contract; and you can discuss all day long about his value as a player to the team, but I think that the larger issue is that you can't trade Campbell without getting a like contract back -so in effect, it ends up becoming a push if you can even make it happen imo. Also imo, what's the point, Campbell is a servicable defenseman. If you have to take a bad contract back, why not stick with a guy that is still playing at a high level in a position in which the team needs depth?
I don't think that Havlat was that good of a checker -so the old Havlat Bolland line as an example of a checking line -well, frankly it just wasn't so. It was just a secondary scoring line -and was not a checking line - it was the line that got to get out there and not be facing the other team's top choice of line to face the top line in that season. So -- what is a 4th line?
I suppose it can be an "energy line" whatever that exactly is ... sounds more like a line where guys run around and just hit guys ... which is nice, but is sort of redundant. If it were me, it would be a center that is pretty good at faceoffs, can control rebounds, as well as limit to opposition forwards mobility in the defensive zone - not necessarily going out there and running guys (running guys usually ends up getting you, the forward on the ice - out of position ... and ends up creating opposing scoring chances -- especially when you miss your "enegry hit attempt"). You know of any Ryan Johnson clones that play winger? A LW and a RW like that would be a nice addition.
See, the idea is to limit the other teams shots -sort of not exactly in synch with a puck movement defense style, but -well - if it were me, I would want one that can limit shots on goals consistently. Limit opposing scoring opportunities on a consistent basis... but then again- :/ that sorta sounds like the trap - I wonder if you can run a trap by lines -some do some don't - would that sorta end up like switching hands in a boxing match?
Oh well... I guess we'll see what happens.
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Who cares about just point production!? Especially on the team with the 4th highest goal total.
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Not to put too fine of a point on things, ClydeLee. Team offense was fine this season.
Team offense was fine this season.
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Isn't he looking for a decent payday?
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A nice summer off for Duncs & hopefully we see the Norris version all season come September.
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Expecting a player to live up to a bad contract isn't really fair.
I care that he was +28 and I also care that he and Dunc are the only guys who have the ability to breakout the puck by themselves if need be. Soup is absolutely one of the best in that department.
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As I explained earlier. +28 is 1/12 of a variable within the game for that moment when that player is on the ice.
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Ok... But is still means something. Don't you agree that Soup was really good this year?
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I've met Soupy a few times. I don't hate him as a person/player.
I just dislike that contract. There's been times where Leddy has looked better than him.
I just dislike that contract. There's been times where Leddy has looked better than him.
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I've said it many times and even mentioned it before he played a game with the hawks... Leddy is a good player.
There is no question his contract his terrible but that's not his fault. You shake your head at the decision to sign that contract and hope that he produces to the $5mm level that he is really worth.
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Unfortunate as it is..
I think at this point Soupy is a must move.
I think at this point Soupy is a must move.
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A must move that won't happen. No one is taking that contract.
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