Steelers Hire Brian Flores

[iueyedoc]

And who hired him? A Black coach. Glad Flores got work. He deserves more. This should really help to see how good a coach he is. I don't think Tomlin would hire him if he was bad, toxic, or selfish.

And Eberflus has hired 12 black coordinators/coaches to 10 white ones, coaches hiring minorities has not been a problem for quite some time.

Some, if not most, owners being a problem is near undebatable, but coaches are not. The two are not the same.

 

[Canth]

And Eberflus has hired 12 black coordinators/coaches to 10 white ones, coaches hiring minorities has not been a problem for quite some time.

Some, if not most, owners being a problem is near undebatable, but coaches are not. The two are not the same.

I think part of the problem is that for whatever reason, there seem to be more black coaches on the defensive side of the ball than on the offensive side of the ball. Most of the head coaches getting hired are former offensive coordinators, so there is smaller pool of black coordinators that are given serious consideration.

 

[mecha]

I think part of the problem is that for whatever reason, there seem to be more black coaches on the defensive side of the ball than on the offensive side of the ball. Most of the head coaches getting hired are former offensive coordinators, so there is smaller pool of black coordinators that are given serious consideration.

well, or maybe it's simpler than that, there aren't a whole lot of black head coaches. out of 32 teams like maybe 10 years ago it was probably limited to like maybe Lovie Smith, Mike Tomlin, and Hue Jackson (who himself was part of an absurd revolving door of ex-Raiders they kept swapping in and out, and my timetable there could be off because I don't really care what the Raiders did/do)

I think the larger issue is the lack of representation at the ownership level. I think it was Walter Payton and maybe one other guy that lobbied for expansion teams 30+ years ago that all got denied. why? I don't really know. perhaps it's true the ownership collective are a good old boys club. the only not-white ownership that I'm aware of are probably the Jaguars and the Khans.

 

[Visionman]

And who hired him? A Black coach. Glad Flores got work. He deserves more. This should really help to see how good a coach he is. I don't think Tomlin would hire him if he was bad, toxic, or selfish.

He’s definitely toxic and selfish. But also a good coach. Hope being lower in a solid organization will help him to improve on his obvious flaws…

 

[Canth]

well, or maybe it's simpler than that, there aren't a whole lot of black head coaches. out of 32 teams like maybe 10 years ago it was probably limited to like maybe Lovie Smith, Mike Tomlin, and Hue Jackson (who himself was part of an absurd revolving door of ex-Raiders they kept swapping in and out, and my timetable there could be off because I don't really care what the Raiders did/do)

I think the larger issue is the lack of representation at the ownership level. I think it was Walter Payton and maybe one other guy that lobbied for expansion teams 30+ years ago that all got denied. why? I don't really know. perhaps it's true the ownership collective are a good old boys club. the only not-white ownership that I'm aware of are probably the Jaguars and the Khans.

That's kinda what I was getting at though. It seems like the majority of the head coaching hires are guys that were former offensive coordinators. Most of the offensive coordinators were previously QB coaches. IMO, the more successful offensive coordinators that become head coaches also have a background in coaching more than just QBs. However, the majority of them go previous experience (player, wr coach, etc) -> QB coach -> OC -> HC. There are simply not a lot of black coaches being hired at QB coach, so they struggle to get to that OC position, which follows on that they do not get consideration for head coach.

I want to say in recent years, only like 2-3 QB coaches have been black and the only one of them that has managed to move up to OC and get consideration for HC is Leftwich. And even then, right or wrong, he gets knocked working for Arians and coaching Tom Brady.

 

[run and shoot]

That's kinda what I was getting at though. It seems like the majority of the head coaching hires are guys that were former offensive coordinators. Most of the offensive coordinators were previously QB coaches. IMO, the more successful offensive coordinators that become head coaches also have a background in coaching more than just QBs. However, the majority of them go previous experience (player, wr coach, etc) -> QB coach -> OC -> HC. There are simply not a lot of black coaches being hired at QB coach, so they struggle to get to that OC position, which follows on that they do not get consideration for head coach.

I want to say in recent years, only like 2-3 QB coaches have been black and the only one of them that has managed to move up to OC and get consideration for HC is Leftwich.

And even then, right or wrong, he gets knocked working for Arians and coaching Tom Brady.

.....yet none of the Pats coaches got knocked for coaching withTom Brady when they went on to get HC jobs



@Visionman

 

[Hbkrusso]

Lol every fucking thread on page ones a shitshow I cannot do it tonight

 

[run and shoot]

Ring, Ring

Rooney: Hello

Goodell: Yeah. this is Rodger

Rooney: How are u

Goodell: Good. I'll get right to point. You need to hire this Flores guy. Maybe he'll calm down with this lawsuit
stuff. Plus it'll look good, given this last hiring cycle

Rooney: Sigh.....ok, let me look in to it. I'll see what we can do.

 

[Camden Cutler]

Mike fucking Tomlin

 

[Visionman]

.....yet none of the Pats coaches got knocked for coaching withTom Brady when they went on to get HC jobs



@Visionman

They did it for more than a year or two, and they did it much earlier in his career. And how many of them was it a wise decision to hire back then?

Learn from experience…

 

[run and shoot]

That's kinda what I was getting at though. It seems like the majority of the head coaching hires are guys that were former offensive coordinators. Most of the offensive coordinators were previously QB coaches. IMO, the more successful offensive coordinators that become head coaches also have a background in coaching more than just QBs. However, the majority of them go previous experience (player, wr coach, etc) -> QB coach -> OC -> HC. There are simply not a lot of black coaches being hired at QB coach, so they struggle to get to that OC position, which follows on that they do not get consideration for head coach.

I want to say in recent years, only like 2-3 QB coaches have been black and the only one of them that has managed to move up to OC and get consideration for HC is Leftwich.

.....yet none of the Pats coaches got knocked for coaching withTom Brady when they went on to get HC jobs




@Visionman

They did it for more than a year or two, and they did it much earlier in his career. And how many of them was it a wise decision to hire back then?

Learn from experience…

Point is u knocked Leftwich coaching withTom Brady. Leftwich had a top 5 offense before Brady.

You keep moving the goal posts. "Ready" or not, "a wise decision to hire back then" or not they got the HC experience. That HC experience can never be taken away. That HC experience will always be on those x-Pats coaches resume.

 

[jsu34]

Pittsburgh actually needed a LB coach for quite some time. Butler was the DC and LB coach.

Butler just retired, leaving 2 holes. They promoted Austin to DC. But they still didn't have a LB coach. So they went and got Flores.

Seems like a good move to me.

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

Lol every fucking thread on page ones a shitshow I cannot do it tonight

 

[ijustposthere]

The more that's come out about Flores, the more I can see why he wasn't hired to be a HC. Doesn't mean he doesn't have a point though. How guys like Leftwich and Bienemy haven't really gotten any serious consideration makes no sense.

 

[Visionman]

Point is u knocked Leftwich coaching withTom Brady. Leftwich had a top 5 offense before Brady.

You keep moving the goal posts. "Ready" or not, "a wise decision to hire back then" or not they got the HC experience. That HC experience can never be taken away. That HC experience will always be on those x-Pats coaches resume.

There are no goalposts to be moved. Teams are free to hire whenever they want, for whatever reasons they want. Just because a person supposedly has the qualifications does not mean they will, or even should, get a HC gig. Personality, leadership style, communication, and so much more also go into the decision.

Assuming it’s racist because a person didn’t get hired this cycle is just dumb. Leftwich is almost guaranteed to be a HC, and sooner rather than later. Just not yet. The same for Kellen Moore, who also doesn’t yet have the experience to be hired just yet.

 

[msadows]

The more that's come out about Flores, the more I can see why he wasn't hired to be a HC. Doesn't mean he doesn't have a point though. How guys like Leftwich and Bienemy haven't really gotten any serious consideration makes no sense.

Wasnt leftwich pretty much offered the JAX job and pulled out?

 

[ijustposthere]

Wasnt leftwich pretty much offered the JAX job and pulled out?

I read Baalke was dicking him around.

 

[Omeletpants]

There are no goalposts to be moved. Teams are free to hire whenever they want, for whatever reasons they want. Just because a person supposedly has the qualifications does not mean they will, or even should, get a HC gig. Personality, leadership style, communication, and so much more also go into the decision.

Assuming it’s racist because a person didn’t get hired this cycle is just dumb. Leftwich is almost guaranteed to be a HC, and sooner rather than later. Just not yet. The same for Kellen Moore, who also doesn’t yet have the experience to be hired just yet.

Eric Beinemy is a perct example. Everyone complains that racism has prevented him from being hired, but things I have read is that he is a horrible interview and always unprepared with no real plan for the new team and the worst of any HC candidate in years. So, is it racism or is Beinemy unable to competently interview

 

[pseudonym]

Eric Beinemy is a perct example. Everyone complains that racism has prevented him from being hired, but things I have read is that he is a horrible interview and always unprepared with no real plan for the new team and the worst of any HC candidate in years. So, is it racism or is Beinemy unable to competently interview

Both? Sounds like it's mostly him not preparing and doing a good job, but isn't he a good coach overall?

 

[FozzyBear]

He'll slide right in once Tomlin walks away.. The Rooneys will keep on winning......