Steve T. Gorches, Gary Post Tribune, is a Drone

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No defense for calling Gordon an NBA star

Considering the response of my last overrated-themed column (two weeks ago on Cubs pitcher Carlos Zambrano), I?have to dwell on that theme again.

Maybe I?can be considered Northwest Indiana's expert on overrated sports figures. The latest on my list is Ben Gordon.

Yes, you read that correctly. The Bulls guard who brings back memories of Vinnie "The Microwave"?Johnson from the Detroit Pistons of the late 1980s and early 1990s has plenty of overexuberant Bulls fans calling him "Ben Jordan," but he's not good for the team.

Even on Tuesday night when the Bulls went toe-to-toe with the defending champs again, he likely had some dopey Chicago fans saying, "He's such a grinder"?because he played through pain, or "He's so clutch"?after he hit another circus shot to give the Bulls a 93-91 lead with 16.6 seconds left.

It's all hogwash.

Ask stat geeks about the word "clutch" and they'll say it's a misnomer, an outright lie.

In the NBA, great players hit big shots because they're great. Bad players aren't clutch because they're bad. Are Lebron James or Kobe Bryant clutch? Yes, but they hit so-called clutch shots because they're great players.

Gordon wouldn't have to hit improbable shots late if he did other aspects of the game better in the first 46 minutes of most games. It's an insult to Michael Jordan for anyone to use his name to describe the superstar-wannabe Gordon.

MJ?played defense. Correct that ... MJ?played stifling, tough, in-your-face defense, placing him on the NBA All-Defensive team several times. Gordon has never been and will never be on that squad, unlike Bulls teammate Kirk Hinrich.

Not that I'm saying Hinrich is better than Gordon, but he is more efficient (Gordon scored 26 on Tuesday, but shot a paltry 6-for-21 from the field; Hinrich scored 19 on 6-of-12) and Hinrich was named to the NBA all-defensive team in 2006-07. Gordon not only fails to play defense well, he seems to be regressing.

Hinrich also shows his value to the team with his plus-minus number. Geeks know that's a fairly new stat measuring how many points a team gives up and scores while a player is on the floor. Plus numbers mean the team is better off when the player is out there. Hinrich led the Bulls this year by a large margin (+176) despite playing less time off the bench, averaging only 9.9 points and missing 31 games. Gordon played all 82 games and he was sixth on the team at plus-48.

Gordon is truly overrated on offense to anyone who knows basketball. He can light up the scorebook with jaw-dropping shots, but Ben Gordon is more about Ben Gordon than the Bulls, or whatever team he ends up with next year.

He's going to get his 20 points, whether he needs to take 12 shots or 32 shots. He'll even toss in 30- or 40-point efforts, such as the 42 in Game 2 of the current series. But he had zero assists in that game.

Not exactly MJ-like, huh? Not even Kirk Hinrich-like.

Oh, and MJ or Hinrich have never grabbed themselves inappropriately on national TV after making a shot (Didn't see that deplorable display? Visit my blog at blogs.post-trib.com/gorches for the video). If the Bulls don't bring Gordon back as a free agent next season, I?won't shed one tear and the Bulls will be better off.

http://www.post-trib.com/sports/gorches/1551850,gorc.article

And people wonder why newspapers are going out of business. It's because of hacks like these. If you want good writing on the Bulls, you aren't going to find it in newspapers. You're going to find it on blogs, message boards, Bulls.com with Sam Smith, Mouthpiece Sports or ESPN Chicago.
 

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I am not even close to being a Gordon fan but that was awful. Also, this is why people like Kush hate the +/- stat because idiots like this can't use it correctly.... ugh...
 

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??? ?????? wrote:
Gordon is truly overrated on offense to anyone who knows basketball.


Funniest line in the whole article :lol:

People need to start realizing Ben Gordon can make bad shots. He has been making them for a while to the point it is hard to say it is luck. The guy lost all credibility saying Gordon isn't clutch on top of numerous other things he said.
 

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This is one of the funniest things I've ever read. Sometimes, you just gotta laugh. I guess I've been wrong all this time. I love it when guys back up their points with nothing but the +_ stat.
 

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Fred wrote:
This is one of the funniest things I've ever read. Sometimes, you just gotta laugh. I guess I've been wrong all this time. I love it when guys back up their points with nothing but the +_ stat.

Historically, Gordon has had one of the best +/-s on the team which makes it more ironic that people would use it.

HOwever, most people use the NBA +/- rather than the 82games one which is minute adjusted to actually be fair and take record out of the equation.
 

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dougthonus wrote:
Historically, Gordon has had one of the best +/-s on the team which makes it more ironic that people would use it.

HOwever, most people use the NBA +/- rather than the 82games one which is minute adjusted to actually be fair and take record out of the equation.

It doesn't matter to Steve.

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Fred, you should write an angry email to him. That was awful.

edit: Actually, I'm gonna take some time and write him an email myself.
 

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Fred, you should write an angry email to him. That was awful.

I already did. I want to interview him. Here's what I sent:

Steve,

Can we interview you on the Chicago Bullseye? We're a Chicago Bulls podcast available on iTunes. We've had Sam Smith on before...you can hear it here:

http://blog.chicagobullseye.com/200...the-great-nba-writer-sam-smith-discusses.aspx

and KC Johnson of the Tribune, and now we would like to speak with you. After reading your latest article on Gordon, we would love to interview you, because it's caused a lot of debate.

I hope to hear from you.

Fred Pfeiffer
Chicago Bullseye (Available on iTunes)
 

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FYI, don't let him know about this site yet or give him the url. I want to talk to him first.

I mean, if "Gordon is truly overrated on offense to anyone who knows basketball", then I can't wait to learn from Steve. I love being lectured to from some guy who probably shoots underhand. It brings out the best in me.
 

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& When I get him on the show, I'm going to challenge him to a 3-point shooting contest, college or pro lines, I don't care. If he wins, I'll read his entire article on our show, word for word, buy a #12 jersey, wear it for the rest of the year when we play in Schaumburg, and admit he was right about Ben Gordon. I'll never bring up Ben's name on any podcast I do for the remainder of 09, and I'll never write an article critical of Kirk's play for the remainder of 09.

I'll also give $100 bucks to his favorite charity, which I'm sure has something to do with saving gerbils.

If Stevie T. loses, then he has to shut his mouth for 10 minutes while I explain the importance of good 3-point shooting for a Rose-led Bulls team. In addition, he'll have to put a link in one of his articles to my seminal work, "The Revised and Final Case for Ben Gordon". And I'll still donate $100 bucks to his favorite charity, as long as it has nothing to do with gerbils.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-T-Gorches/1348926202

If this is the guy, there's a 50% he shoots underhand, and I like my chances.
 

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I don't know Fred, he kind of looks like you with glasses. He's probably got the same shot only with better vision.

Either way, I don't think you beating a guy in a 3 point shooting contest makes your argument over a topic not related to your own 3 point shooting ability causes much merit. This is sort of like a jock punching a nerd in the face and then saying he's smarter than him or else the nerd wouldn't have gotten beaten up.

Though to give you your props, I imagine you'd beat 99.99% of the people on this earth in a 3 point shooting contest, actually probably more than that, but you're a damn good 3 point shooter. I think you'd take out a good share of D1 college players.

I say we have the Bulls Podcasters one on one tournament instead, though I think you'd kick my ass in that as well, but it'd be closer than the 3 point shooting contest. Maybe if we have the Bullspodcasters tournament after we play ball for 2 hours, then I'll stand a chance against you and Kush.
 

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dougthonus wrote:
I don't know Fred, he kind of looks like you with glasses. He's probably got the same shot only with better vision.

Either way, I don't think you beating a guy in a 3 point shooting contest makes your argument over a topic not related to your own 3 point shooting ability causes much merit. This is sort of like a jock punching a nerd in the face and then saying he's smarter than him or else the nerd wouldn't have gotten beaten up.

Though to give you your props, I imagine you'd beat 99.99% of the people on this earth in a 3 point shooting contest, actually probably more than that, but you're a damn good 3 point shooter. I think you'd take out a good share of D1 college players.

I say we have the Bulls Podcasters one on one tournament instead, though I think you'd kick my ass in that as well, but it'd be closer than the 3 point shooting contest. Maybe if we have the Bullspodcasters tournament after we play ball for 2 hours, then I'll stand a chance against you and Kush.

Doug, I'm only challenging him to this contest because he said, and I quote, "Gordon is truly overrated on offense to anyone who knows basketball." Now, in order to make such a freaking arrogant statement, you must have years of experience in playing the game. Obviously, since I think Gordon is actually underrated offensively because of how to the defense reacts to him when he doesn't have the ball, I need to learn from Stevie T. And I want Steve T to teach me more about the game, because "obviously", I don't know sh*t about offense.

Now, let me be clear, I'm not saying that you need to be a great player in order to know about the game. If that were true, then we should all just read Fola's posts and forget about everyone else's. And you've been only playing the game for a couple of years, but you know a lot about the game, and you're already a better defender than me.

I'm just calling Steve T. out on his arrogance, and in order to shut him up for 10 minutes, I need to beat him in this contest, and then explain to him why he is a basement dwelling degenerate.
 

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I just wrote a point by point, completely factual response to that guy. lets see him respond.
 

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dougthonus wrote:
I don't know Fred, he kind of looks like you with glasses.

Probably the hardest I've laughed in a week.

I just sent this link out to 2 women who know me, and both have said that I'm way better looking than Stevie T. Of course, one was my wife and the other was my sister.

I'll also ask the one female in the office today.
 

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From your image on the chicagobullseye website mixed with this guy's facebook page, though Steve looks quite a bit older, maybe you in 10-15 years if you need glasses. Though I'm not sure how old that picture of you on the bullseye is.

fredvssteve.jpg
 

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I doubt this guy responds to this email. I emailed him right when this article came off the presses (err...hot off being posted on their website) and have yet to get a response.

I'm still trying to decide whose worse, this guy or the guy from the Boston Globe, who wrote about the refs families leaving the game in Bulls gear. When I emailed that guy, asking who his source was, he just emailed me back saying an NBA Source. Yes...I could have gotten that from the article, where you say that, but I was asking who the NBA source was...as journalists are supposed to shed as much light on who their sources are as possible when asked...well good ones anyways.

An NBA source could be anyone. The security guard? David Stern? The guy scanning tickets? The United Center janitor?

I think Gorches is worse, because the Globe guy at least got a good propaganda piece out there. Gorches anti-Gordon, abomination of opinion journalism piece, seems to have just made him fall straight on his face.

Hopefully this guy goes on Bullseye, that'd make for a great show.
 

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