Steve T. Gorches, Gary Post Tribune, is a Drone

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OH MY GOD HE RESPONDED!

From: Gorches, Steve [mailto:SGorches@Post-Trib.Com]
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:28 PM
To: Mark Lewinthal
Subject: Re: Ben Gordon Article

Efficiency in the NBA is more than scoring. I want my NBA players to play some defense and Gordon doesn’t do that very well. He is what he is ... Instant offense and no defense.



Guys, please e-mail Steve. Let's set this mo-fo straight!
 

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Here's some of my response to him...i answered all his other points but it got cut off

Gordon wouldn't have to hit improbable shots late if he did other aspects of the game better in the first 46 minutes of most games. It's an insult to Michael Jordan for anyone to use his name to describe the superstar-wannabe Gordon.

So you're comparing him to the greatest player of all time just because a few fans say Ben Jordan. Genius. Just set up impossible standards as a comparison so he is bound to fail against it.

MJ?played defense. Correct that ... MJ?played stifling, tough, in-your-face defense, placing him on the NBA All-Defensive team several times. Gordon has never been and will never be on that squad, unlike Bulls teammate Kirk Hinrich. Not that I'm saying Hinrich is better than Gordon, but he is more efficient (Gordon scored 26 on Tuesday, but shot a paltry 6-for-21 from the field; Hinrich scored 19 on 6-of-12) and Hinrich was named to the NBA all-defensive team in 2006-07. Gordon not only fails to play defense well, he seems to be regressing.

Gordon has not been regressing on defense, and you would know this if you actually watched Bulls games over a period of time. Gordon was awful on defense in his rookie season. Since then, he got the reputation of being a bad defender. This season, if you watched, he made marked improvements on the defensive end. He usually stays in front of his man, but may play tentative if he is in foul trouble. Now, he has an average defender. Of course being the hater you are, don't take into consideration that Gordon is usually about 5 inches shorter than his counterpart.

In basketball defense is not > offense. Defense and offense are equally important. You need great offense to win, and you need great defense to win. Since no player in the NBA is perfect, you need a good team of players that produce in their roles. Some players role is to play defense, some to score, some to rebound, some to deliver hard fouls, some to be the go to guy for their team. Hinrich is not much of a scorer nor a clutch player. He defends well, but in doing so he also picks up a ton of fouls.

Game 1: Hinrich 23 minutes, 3 points, 2 fouls
Game 2: Hinrich 19 minutes, 7 points, 4 fouls
Game 3: Hinrich 22 minutes, 14 points
Game 4: Hinrich 43 minutes, 18 points, but just 5 points in 4th quarter and overtime, including missing clutch free throws

Further, Hinrich is not more efficient than Gordon, he was just for this one game. Efficiency is how many points made per shot attempts. Gordon is a carrer 44%fg shooter, and has shot above 45% in 2 of his seasons. He has shot 41% career 3pointers, which is better than Ray Allen. He has gone to the line 4.2 times a game over his career and made 86% of them. That is the very definition of efficient.

Gordon is one of the most efficient scorers in the game today, and one of the most prolific shooters in the game today. He has outplayed Ray Allen in this series, something you wouldn't notice. Allen has had a 1-12 game for 4 points, and a 3-8 game for 10 points, which were both largely due to Gordon's offense AND his defense.

Hinrich on the other hand, is a very inefficient scorer. His career percentages are 41%fg, 38%3pt, 81%ft, with only 1.7 free throw attempts per game. So to say Hinrich is more efficient than Gordon shows your clear agenda here.
 

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--More from Steve. His response is below and below that was my response to his first response.


I think Salmons can be a closer, given the chance.

And I miss the days of Scott Skiles when the Bulls would hold teams to under 100 points instead of winning 127-121 like they are this season. Just not the type of basketball I prefer.


On 4/30/09 4:31 PM, "Mark Lewinthal" <MarkLewinthal@amacai.com> wrote:
Efficiency is also more than just defense, my friend! We do not have a single player on this team who can score better then Ben. You have no idea how much Ben means to this Bulls team! Ben is NOT an awful defender, but he certainly isn’t a great defender. You need to score to win and no one else on this team can do that, though Derrick should be able to in a couple years, efficiently. There are not a lot of closers in this league. It is not easy to find a player who is comfortable with the ball on a final second shot and will just drain it. We don’t have LeBron, we don’t have Kobe, or MAN is Ben Gordon, and he is the best player on this team! Put quality defensive guys around him and your fine!
 

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charity stripe wrote:
Here's some of my response to him...i answered all his other points but it got cut off

Gordon wouldn't have to hit improbable shots late if he did other aspects of the game better in the first 46 minutes of most games. It's an insult to Michael Jordan for anyone to use his name to describe the superstar-wannabe Gordon.

So you're comparing him to the greatest player of all time just because a few fans say Ben Jordan. Genius. Just set up impossible standards as a comparison so he is bound to fail against it.

MJ?played defense. Correct that ... MJ?played stifling, tough, in-your-face defense, placing him on the NBA All-Defensive team several times. Gordon has never been and will never be on that squad, unlike Bulls teammate Kirk Hinrich. Not that I'm saying Hinrich is better than Gordon, but he is more efficient (Gordon scored 26 on Tuesday, but shot a paltry 6-for-21 from the field; Hinrich scored 19 on 6-of-12) and Hinrich was named to the NBA all-defensive team in 2006-07. Gordon not only fails to play defense well, he seems to be regressing.

Gordon has not been regressing on defense, and you would know this if you actually watched Bulls games over a period of time. Gordon was awful on defense in his rookie season. Since then, he got the reputation of being a bad defender. This season, if you watched, he made marked improvements on the defensive end. He usually stays in front of his man, but may play tentative if he is in foul trouble. Now, he has an average defender. Of course being the hater you are, don't take into consideration that Gordon is usually about 5 inches shorter than his counterpart.

In basketball defense is not > offense. Defense and offense are equally important. You need great offense to win, and you need great defense to win. Since no player in the NBA is perfect, you need a good team of players that produce in their roles. Some players role is to play defense, some to score, some to rebound, some to deliver hard fouls, some to be the go to guy for their team. Hinrich is not much of a scorer nor a clutch player. He defends well, but in doing so he also picks up a ton of fouls.

Game 1: Hinrich 23 minutes, 3 points, 2 fouls
Game 2: Hinrich 19 minutes, 7 points, 4 fouls
Game 3: Hinrich 22 minutes, 14 points
Game 4: Hinrich 43 minutes, 18 points, but just 5 points in 4th quarter and overtime, including missing clutch free throws

Further, Hinrich is not more efficient than Gordon, he was just for this one game. Efficiency is how many points made per shot attempts. Gordon is a carrer 44%fg shooter, and has shot above 45% in 2 of his seasons. He has shot 41% career 3pointers, which is better than Ray Allen. He has gone to the line 4.2 times a game over his career and made 86% of them. That is the very definition of efficient.

Gordon is one of the most efficient scorers in the game today, and one of the most prolific shooters in the game today. He has outplayed Ray Allen in this series, something you wouldn't notice. Allen has had a 1-12 game for 4 points, and a 3-8 game for 10 points, which were both largely due to Gordon's offense AND his defense.

Hinrich on the other hand, is a very inefficient scorer. His career percentages are 41%fg, 38%3pt, 81%ft, with only 1.7 free throw attempts per game. So to say Hinrich is more efficient than Gordon shows your clear agenda here.

Awesome email. I actually wept tears of joy reading this. I couldn't have done better myself. His head probably exploded while reading it.
 

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this tool would get lit up if he went on bullseye. im seriously hoping he agrees to come on the show. hes got nothing. what a waste of web space that article was
 

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I might offer him cash and a Bullspodcasters.com t-shirt.
 

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Here's the rest of my email

Gordon is truly overrated on offense to anyone who knows basketball. He can light up the scorebook with jaw-dropping shots, but Ben Gordon is more about Ben Gordon than the Bulls, or whatever team he ends up with next year.

How is he overrated on offense? A guy who can get you 30 or 40 on any given night, and a guy who is game planned for by opposing defenses as their number 1 target to stop, and a guy who is one of most dangerous threat from beyond the arc, and a guy who will draw fouls on opposing players is overrated? Try again.

He's going to get his 20 points, whether he needs to take 12 shots or 32 shots. He'll even toss in 30- or 40-point efforts, such as the 42 in Game 2 of the current series. But he had zero assists in that game.

His role is to score, that's why is he on the court. On the season, he averaged 3.5 assists per game. In the 42 point game, he was 14-24, or 58%. Why pass the ball to inferior shooters and shot makers when he's shooting at that clip. Again, one of the most efficient scorers in the game. Gordon has also attempted 32 shots exactly ONE TIME in his entire career. And guess what? He went 18-32 for 48 points in an overtime win over the Bucks, on the road, to improve their playoff seeding, while hitting CLUTCH shots. He averages 14.9 field goal attemps in his career, hater.

Not exactly MJ-like, huh?

Nobody on the planet is like MJ, try again.

Not even Kirk Hinrich-like.

Right, who needs choking in big moments and poor shooting. I'd rather have good defense and forget about scoring, that's not important at all.

Oh, and MJ or Hinrich have never grabbed themselves inappropriately on national TV after making a shot (Didn't see that deplorable display? Visit my blog at blogs.post-trib.com/gorches for the video). If the Bulls don't bring Gordon back as a free agent next season, I?won't shed one tear and the Bulls will be better off.

Gordon is the most cool calm player you will see. He never has displays of emotion. But go ahead and use the one time he does to continue your irrational hatred for him. If the all time franchise leader in 3 pointers made comes back to the United Center next season in a different uniform, and lights up the Bulls, and hits clutch shots, while you watch your hero Kirk Hinrich clank shot after shot, I want you to write an article about how great Hinrich is, and how bad Gordon is then.
 

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I can't believe I'm saying this, but Steve T. Gorches would rank #2 right now on my list of Dream Interviews, right behind Jordan.
 

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