Sveum keeps Jaramillo

[Rice Cube]

Not when stats say otherwise.. Sure he up's strikeouts but that means you're throwing more pitches per PA.. Which means you can and probably will walk more guys.

Pitching to contact is the way better approach at this point. Look how long Duncan has been in the game preaching it..

Rothschild is just flawed in my opinion.. and the stats back up part of what I see.

This reflects a difference in philosophy. Pitching to contact means that you're relying on your defense a lot more to make the outs. Fielding independent pitching (reduce walks, increase strikeouts) means you're more in control, preventing bad bounces or shitty defense.

With this Cubs team, before Theo fixes it, do you really want them pitching to contact? :lol:

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

Yes!

We have to have a team built on pitching a defense as our primary.

 

[Rice Cube]

Yes!

We have to have a team built on pitching a defense as our primary.

Defense is very important, but what's also important is getting strikeouts, limiting walks, and limiting the number of balls that leave the yard. Defense can't help you when you don't give them the opportunity to make outs.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

Defense is very important, but what's also important is getting strikeouts, limiting walks, and limiting the number of balls that leave the yard. Defense can't help you when you don't give them the opportunity to make outs.

Exactly why we need a bunch of groundball pitchers.

 

[waldo7239117]

Dale Sveum Retains Rudy Jaramillo |

According to the Chicago Sun-Times, new manager Dale Svuem opted to keep hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo on his staff. The Cubs signed Jarmillo to a 3 year contract worth 2.42 million in 2008. 2012 will be Jaramillo’s last year under contract. Before the Cubs signed Jaramillo in 2008, Jaramillo was with the Texas Rangers. When Jarmillo came over to the Cubs, he was said to be the best hitting coach in the league. That’s the main reason the Cubs signed him because of their hitting issues. However, since Jaramillo came over to the Cubs, the players can’t hit with runners in scoring position and he’s not helping the team too much. If the Cubs struggled with the bats in 2012, you can bet Jarmillo will not be the hitting coach going forward. Jaramillo said he’s happy to be back and on Svuem’s staff.

The same does not go for Ivan DeJesus and Bobby Dernier…Sveum informed both of them that they will not be on his staff entering the 2012 season. DeJesus was the Cubs 3rd base coach in 2012, before that he was the 1st base coach and a special assistant to ex Cub manager Lou Piniella. DeJesus was switched across the diamond to the 3rd base side in awake of Bobby Dernier. Dernier was named the Cubs 1st base coach in 2010, before that he was the minor league coordinator for the outfield and baserunning. He was the coordinator from 2007-2010.

In awake of that news, Sveum is expected to keep bench coach Pat Listach and bullpen coach Lester Strode. Listach and Svuem are close friends, so that was an obvious choice to keep on.

Finally, what is going to happen to the pitching coach Mark Riggins? We still don’t know yet. However, Svuem and Riggins did talk over the weekend and are expected to talk soon. I think Svuem should let Riggins go, but the feeling is Sveum will keep Riggins on. It’s more of mix reviews right now.

As it seems, Sveum will have to look for a new 1st and 3rd base coach and maybe a new pitching coach. The coaching staff is expected to be finalize a little over Thanksgiving, so more likely next week.

 

[Rice Cube]

Exactly why we need a bunch of groundball pitchers.

Or pitchers who are just plain good.

Re: the walk rates, it seems that guys like Wood, Harden, Zambrano etc are high-walk guys anyway, but when Rothschild was around he helped keep the walk rates a bit lower than they would be otherwise. Who knows if that's just random luck or if it was Larry himself, but the difference is quantifiable.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

Or pitchers who are just plain good.

Re: the walk rates, it seems that guys like Wood, Harden, Zambrano etc are high-walk guys anyway, but when Rothschild was around he helped keep the walk rates a bit lower than they would be otherwise. Who knows if that's just random luck or if it was Larry himself, but the difference is quantifiable.

Yeah thats honestly the major point. Having good pitchers.

Something we honestly don't have much of right now.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

Back to Jaramillo..

I'm fine with keeping the guy.

 

[Rice Cube]

Back to Jaramillo..

I'm fine with keeping the guy.

It probably won't hurt. The new philosophy will have the Cubs players waiting for their pitch, and Jaramillo will help them hit the snot out of the ball when they finally get their pitch :lol:

 

[Rice Cube]

Sveum hoping to hire Bosio as Cubs' pitching coach - chicagotribune.com

Maybe even Craig Counsell, although one hopes the Cubs don't learn Counsell's batting stance :lol:

 

[waldo7239117]

Mark Riggins Gone? |

According to the Chicago Tribune, Dale Sveum has asked the Brewers if he can interview their Triple A pitching coach Chris Bosio. Svuem and Bosio go back since their playing time. They both played together from 1986-1991. Also, Bosio joined the Brewers big league staff in 2009 when he was the interim pitching coach. However, that was only the end of 2009 and nothing more. Bosio manly has been in the Brewers organization as a scout or a minor league pitching coach. Also, Bosio was the Rays’ pitching coach in 2003 under ex Cub manager Lou Piniella. Brewers general manager Doug Melvin confirmed that Dale Sveum asked for permission to interview Bosio last week.

So…it does look like Dale Sveum will not have Mark Riggins on his 2012 staff. I’m pretty happen, even though it was not a top name pitching coach. If Bosio does in fact become the Cubs next pitching coach.

Doug Melvin also confirms that Dale Sveum has not ask to interview anyone else in the organization, if it’s in the minor league or the big league staff. Levine mentioned in his chat yesterday that Brewers’ 3rd base coach Ed Sedar could join Sveum’s staff.

Also, if Crag Counsell does retire, Sveum may ask him to join their staff. However, the Brewers have talked to Counsell about a non-player role. I think if Counsell was offer a job on the staff by either team, he would chose the Brewers. As that’s the team he would retire from. But we still don’t know if he’ll come back as a player or a coach in 2012. That’s still up in the air.

 

[Rice Cube]

Might be safe to say that Bosio might know a thing or two about pitching:

Chris Bosio Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com

W/L record aside, those are some really nice peripherals.

 

[dabynsky]

I think using big league performance is a terrible measure for what a guy is capable of doing as a coach or manager. Bosio seems like just another guy right now, but he is Sveum's guy which is good enough for me at this point. If this guy was another Leo Mazzone, I think he would have a quicker route back to the big leagues. But on the other hand I really don't know much about him or even enough about Riggins to know if this is an upgrade or not.

 

[dabynsky]

It probably won't hurt. The new philosophy will have the Cubs players waiting for their pitch, and Jaramillo will help them hit the snot out of the ball when they finally get their pitch :lol:

You know that is something that I've always wondered about a hitting coach. How much of his job is teaching approach at the plate versus the mechanics of the swing? It seems like Jaramillo has been a hitting coach with teams that have been very patient and with teams that were less so. It will be interesting to see how this plays out with a new FO that places a high value on a patient approach at the plate.

 

[Rice Cube]

I think using big league performance is a terrible measure for what a guy is capable of doing as a coach or manager. Bosio seems like just another guy right now, but he is Sveum's guy which is good enough for me at this point. If this guy was another Leo Mazzone, I think he would have a quicker route back to the big leagues. But on the other hand I really don't know much about him or even enough about Riggins to know if this is an upgrade or not.

I agree for the most part, as guys like Mike Maddux and Larry Rothschild weren't actually all that good at pitching, but they seem to know what's going on. My guess is that if Bosio was a bad candidate, despite having some autonomy, Theo and Jed would have told Sveum "no"...so the fact that he's been allowed to leak these names in interviews may be a good sign about what the front office thinks re: philosophy.

As for the hitting coach part, I think the general idea is that you can't actually teach a kid to develop a better eye at the plate. He either has it, or he doesn't. But you can probably tweak his stance and swing a bit so he can drive the ball when making contact. I don't know what Jaramillo's teachings entail but if he can help the guys hit for more contact and power, that's probably a good thing.

 

[dabynsky]

I agree for the most part, as guys like Mike Maddux and Larry Rothschild weren't actually all that good at pitching, but they seem to know what's going on. My guess is that if Bosio was a bad candidate, despite having some autonomy, Theo and Jed would have told Sveum "no"...so the fact that he's been allowed to leak these names in interviews may be a good sign about what the front office thinks re: philosophy.

I think we are on the same page here. I just wanted to make sure that others didn't get too far into what the guy has done as a big leaguer because there are so many examples of great players being terrible coaches and vice versa.

As for the hitting coach part, I think the general idea is that you can't actually teach a kid to develop a better eye at the plate. He either has it, or he doesn't. But you can probably tweak his stance and swing a bit so he can drive the ball when making contact. I don't know what Jaramillo's teachings entail but if he can help the guys hit for more contact and power, that's probably a good thing.

I again think we are on the same page about teaching patience here, and that is really what I was getting at. It seems some don't like Jaramillo because of the Cubs terrible approach at the plate, and while he may not be doing much to help that I am not sure that is his responsibility per se.

I don't know what Jaramillo teachings focus on. I remember Don Baylor was always talking about opening players' stances, but I don't know anything about the specific teachings of Jaramillo. That said he was one of, if not the, most respected hitting coaches while with Texas. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I could have sworn DeRosa always credited his time with Texas and Jaramillo as what turned him into the player the Cubs got.

 

[Rice Cube]

I think just about everyone who was coached by Jaramillo has nice things to say about him. I don't think the hitting coach's job is to tell his players to take more walks, but more to suggest ways to improve their swings. You don't need a hitting coach to tell you not to swing at shitty pitches, but you might need one to explain to a power hitter how he can drive a ball the other way to keep the defense honest.

 

[daddies3angels]

@CarrieMuskat
Carrie Muskat Chris Bosio says he'll be #Cubs pitching coach on Sveum's staff. Official announcement expected next week

Expected

 

[waldo7239117]

Chris Bosio Officially the Cubs New Pitching Coach |

According to postcrescent.com, Chris Bosio confirms that he’ll be the Cubs new pitching coach for the 2012 season. We heard about a few weeks back, that new Cubs manager Dale Sveum interview Chris Bosio for the pitching coach opening. Sveum knows Bosio as both were coaches for the Milwaukee Brewers. However, Bosio manly was the pitching coach for their Triple A team. But Bosio did work with Sveum on the big league staff before.

Bosio had to say this when asked about being the new Cubs pitching coach:

“All of those long-suffering Cubs fans, their will to win, their want to win, their passion to win, it’s going to be a lot of good energy.’’

“It’s going to be agonizing at times, and rewarding as well. That’s the rigors of the season. But we’re going to try and create some magic at Wrigley.’’

“I just can’t tell you how excited I am, number one, to be working with Dale,’’ said Bosio. “When he offered me the job as pitching coach of the Chicago Cubs, to hear him say that, knowing the confidence he has in me, that’s a great feeling. We’re going to be prepared, are going to have intensity and a lot of enthusiasm.’’

Chris Bosio had to say this when asked about Carlos Zambrano:

“There’s a reason he has a 125-81 career record,’’ said Bosio. “He’s overpowering at times and he’s a competitor first and foremost. Those are great qualities to have when you’re looking for a front-line starting pitcher. But he lets his emotions get the best of him. That’s what makes him tick, but he has to get those under control a little more. Like a lot of guys with high emotions, he can be his own worst enemy. At times he’s strung too tight.’’

Chris Bosio had never met Theo Epstein before and after the interview with Epstein/Hoyer, Bosio said he was impressed:

“I was sold in the interview process on Theo and Jed and, obviously, Dale,’’ said Bosio. “Just everything they said, the direction they want to go and their motivation to win and bring a world’s championship to Chicago. They’re intelligent baseball guys. I’m excited to be a part of this process and a great organization that’s known around the world.’’

Chris Bosio and Dale Sveum go back farther that I thought…. both played each other in high school football, when both were in California. Also, both played with each other as a player with the Milwaukee Brewers from 1986-1991 and both were on the coaching staff during the 2009 season (not the whole season, though).

The Cubs’ coaching staff is starting to take form… Rudy Jaramillo will be retained as the hitting coach, Lester Strode will stick as the bullpen coach, Pat Listach will be a base coach (in 2011, Listach was the bench coach), Jamie Quirk will be the bench coach and now Chris Bosio will be the pitching coach. Ivan DeJesus, Bobby Dernier and Mark Riggins will not be on Dale Sveum’s 2012 staff.

The Cubs still plan on making an offer to Craig Counsell if he does in fact retire. The Brewers decided not to re-sign Counsell. If Counsell does retire, the Brewers are also planning to offer him a contract as a coach. If the Cubs did sign Counsell (meaning he retired), he could round out the Cubs coaching staff and be the other base coach across from Pat Listach. Chris Bosio’s is expected to be announced the Cubs pitching coach next week and the whole coaching staff could be announced that week too.

 

[daddies3angels]

Battle with MIL for Counsell