Tanaka will be posted

[chibears55]

@mlbtraderumorsGolden Eagles To Post Masahiro Tanaka dlvr.it/4ZPVKJ #mlb

 

[chibears55]

@thekapmanI just spoke w/an MLB source who believes Cubs will not be outbid on Tanaka. He also said convincing Tanaka to come to Chgo will be hard.

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[DewsSox79]

Imo this would be a real stupid move for the cubs. the potential for a bad contract is pretty good and i had a million id say he turns out to be a bad contract. cubs fans should not want him. period. allocate that money throughout the 5 starters not one guy who pitches every 5th day. shark would most likely be dealt if they sign him. this team needs depth, not one maybe is a stud guy.


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[X]

His #s last season were unreal. You gotta show that you care about big league wins at some point, and gotta back up that you want to improve the team without sacrificing top prospects. This is the best way to do that. The bigger question will be whether or not the Cubs open up the wallet once the $20M posting fee is out of the way.

Strangely, though I doubt it will play a HUGE part in the deal, I'm glad Fujikawa is on the roster.

 

[beckdawg]

Imo this would be a real stupid move for the cubs. the potential for a bad contract is pretty good and i had a million id say he turns out to be a bad contract. cubs fans should not want him. period. allocate that money throughout the 5 starters not one guy who pitches every 5th day. shark would most likely be dealt if they sign him. this team needs depth, not one maybe is a stud guy.


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I'd argue the opposite. Shark, Wood, Jackson have all shown the ability to be back of the rotation types. They've repeatedly been able to find guys like Maholm and Feldman who also can perform there. They don't have anyone who appears to be a top of the rotation guy unless Edwards A) doesn't bust and B) isn't forced to the bullpen because of his size.

As for it being a bad contract, it really depends. Let's say he's a #2 or #3. And let's say he gets some where between $18-20 mil. What you need to remember is that $18-20 mil today isn't $18-20 mil tomorrow. For example, Either and Choo are similarish players. However, Either is a couple years into his deal which is set for $17.5 mil(IIRC) AAV where as Choo is getting more than that. So, if you don't get a flat out bust of a player over a 6ish year deal he will actually be cheaper toward the end.

Also, consider what they did with Jackson. He was given a signing bonus that took the contract from being a $13 mil AAV to 1 year at $19 mil and 3 years at $11 mil. How does this apply to Tanaka? Let's say they intend to spend around the $105-110 mil they have the past two years. Let's also say they end up around $65 mil after arbitration. They conceivably could dump the $20 mil posting fee plus some signing bonus into this years budget along with his salary. If that's upwards of $40+ mil toward the 2014 budget and he gets $130 mil that some have suggested. Over say 6 years that takes $130 mil contract down to 5 years 90 mil after year one. And while that sucks for the on field product in 2014, it meshes with their prospect timeline better.

 

[CSF77]

Imo this would be a real stupid move for the cubs. the potential for a bad contract is pretty good and i had a million id say he turns out to be a bad contract. cubs fans should not want him. period. allocate that money throughout the 5 starters not one guy who pitches every 5th day. shark would most likely be dealt if they sign him. this team needs depth, not one maybe is a stud guy.


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They have to go for him or the off season is a 100% bust. They could have offered Kaz a contract before Oak nabbed him and still got a quality bat for the cash they will front here.

Bottom line is we do not know how he will translate but what we do know is if they do not pony up after letting the off season pass by then it will be a failed off season.
Even if he picks another team at least they put out a strong effort. (I would be happy with Baker thought he was looking strong)

 

[CSF77]

To be honest here if the Yanks offer 100 mil the Cubs would have to offer 120 mil.

Yanks are at 177,667,857 so if they go over 9 mil this year they are getting into the tax. So I expect them to want to back load as next year they have 50 mill coming off of the books.

Cubs would have to put out 16 mil + for the 1st year and scale up to 20 mil fast to have a legit chance.

 

[patg006]

To be honest here if the Yanks offer 100 mil the Cubs would have to offer 120 mil.

Yanks are at 177,667,857 so if they go over 9 mil this year they are getting into the tax. So I expect them to want to back load as next year they have 50 mill coming off of the books.

Cubs would have to put out 16 mil + for the 1st year and scale up to 20 mil fast to have a legit chance.

The Yankees don't care about costs. Randy Levine (PoO) Cashman, Hank, and Hal have all said the luxury tax is a goal, not a mandate.

The cubs may have to go to 20 mil. I can't see them doing that.

 

[CSF77]

I see the floor at 80 Mil. It is going to take 100 mil to have a shot. Cubs being a bottom dweller are going to need to offer 120 mil.

They are going to be at 80 mil this year and can add 20 mil this year easily to get into last years payroll.

Future wise most of their plans are centered around controllable in house.

They can take on a 20 mil player per with little issue.

 

[chibears55]

cubs need to basically offer a blank check ( Dawson ) for this guy and then it would just be his choice if he wants to play here or not..

I could also see them going either way front loading or back loading his deal...
front load by giving him a higher amount the first couple years as their payroll commitment is basically nothing ..
back load to when they reach a new TV deal and have all the extra income coming in with the jumbo tron etc.

either way I think a 5-7 yr deal close to 18-20 per will do the trick... I just don't think teams are gonna go overboard on him now, that's why I think maybe he might do what cespedes did and take a low year deal to become a FA again when he hits 30/31 for a chance at BIG money..

 

[CSF77]

20 mil per is big money for a starter. Hammels avg's 22.5 and he is proven.

To be honest going 16+ is a risk for a unproven.

20 per should be more than most teams would be willing to risk.

 

[ChiSoxCity]

Signing Tanaka would be par for the Cubs... wasting money on some unproven, overrated player...check. Inexplicably avoiding top MLB FA commodities because they don't want to win now....check. Still claiming to be in "rebuid" mode via the farm system...check. All in all, pretty bizarre, inconsistent organizational strategy.

Typical Cubbie moves that ensure the lovable loser franchise tag for years to come.

 

[CSF77]

That sounds like a certain 1B that got signed this year.

 

[ChiSoxCity]

That sounds like a certain 1B that got signed this year.

Nah, sounds like a certain Japanese outfielder that got signed on the northside years ago.

The Sox are pulling the trigger on moves that make the big league team younger AND better NOW, while freeing up salary.

The Cubs, on the other hand, could care less about the big league club or winning games now. Signing Tanaka would be nothing but a PR move, bound to fail because, well you're the Cubs.

 

[SilenceS]

Nah, sounds like a certain Japanese outfielder that got signed on the northside years ago.

The Sox are pulling the trigger on moves that make the big league team younger AND better NOW, while freeing up salary.

The Cubs, on the other hand, could care less about the big league club or winning games now. Signing Tanaka would be nothing but a PR move, bound to fail because, well you're the Cubs.

Ghetto superstar! That is what you are!

 

[HurricaneDij39]

Nah, sounds like a certain Japanese outfielder that got signed on the northside years ago.

The Sox are pulling the trigger on moves that make the big league team younger AND better NOW, while freeing up salary.

The Cubs, on the other hand, could care less about the big league club or winning games now. Signing Tanaka would be nothing but a PR move, bound to fail because, well you're the Cubs.

So, basically if the Cubs sign a player, it's merely a PR move. Yet, if the White Sox sign a player, it's because they want to improve their team???

Look, I know the Sox don't have any fans for you to converse with, but your act on this board is getting a little beaten to death.

 

[ChiSoxCity]

Ghetto superstar! That is what you are!

Wow, you're very perceptive. What gave it away?

 

[ChiSoxCity]

So, basically if the Cubs sign a player, it's merely a PR move. Yet, if the White Sox sign a player, it's because they want to improve their team???

Look, I know the Sox don't have any fans for you to converse with, but your act on this board is getting a little beaten to death.

I forgot, this is the board where it's rude to question roster moves.

"...dude, nevermind. So what the Cubs passed on numerous free agents and trades to make the roster better, (whisper) they have a plan..." *wink*

 

[HurricaneDij39]

I forgot, this is the board where it's rude to question roster moves.

"...dude, nevermind. So what the Cubs passed on numerous free agents and trades to make the roster better, (whisper) they have a plan..." *wink*

Question roster moves all you want, but at least be consistent.

If the Cubs don't sign Tanaka - "It's because they don't care about their current roster".

If the Cubs do sign Tanaka - "It's strictly a PR move".

Let's hear your genius plan for the Cubs. How about actually adding something productive to this community? Oh wait, it doesn't even matter because you'll hate anything that is or about the Cubs.

 

[SilenceS]

Wow, you're very perceptive. What gave it away?

White Sox fans are usually from the ghetto. 2+2=4