TANKATHON 2.0 (Bears pick 1&9)

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Its a nice thought, and yada yada any given Sunday anything can happen, but realistically this is a 50-7 game. The Chiefs do not **** around and play with their food, especially in a game where its personal for their offensive coordinator and more importantly Hall of Fame quarterback.
Care to make a wager? I’ll take the bears +20, that’s got to be enticing since you think the bears will lose by 43
 

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Why are there so many bama players on the mock list when that team is dogshit
 

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Yeah, he's a wank.


The thing is, Fields has legit tools that most Bears prospects never had. He has crazy accuracy downfield when given time and a hell of a set of wheels.

But he can't anticipate throws for shit in the short game. One would hope that would get cleaned up, but its been the same for a while now. Weird issue for a QB to have.

And that means he is what he is. So I am not going to knock on people for that. It was a hard thing to diagnose because he also had to contend with a shit O-Line and shitty OCs.

But there is enough of a body of work to come to that conclusion.
Here's the thing. Stfu
 

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Why are there so many bama players on the mock list when that team is dogshit
There is a massive lag time when it comes to what's happening on the field and most players' stocks as pro prospects this time of year. The market for NFL draft content is really only vibrant in the Arizona and Chicago fanbases right now. But by midseason a bunch of teams will be out of the hunt and you'll see some pretty quick corrections.

Most fans draft thoughts are just follow the leader. Mine included. I don't know what really makes a great college player a great pro, some guys get their asses kicked in NCAA then go on as the ass kicker in the pros. Who the **** knows how or why that happens.
 

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There is a massive lag time when it comes to what's happening on the field and most players' stocks as pro prospects this time of year. The market for NFL draft content is really only vibrant in the Arizona and Chicago fanbases right now. But by midseason a bunch of teams will be out of the hunt and you'll see some pretty quick corrections.

Most fans draft thoughts are just follow the leader. Mine included. I don't know what really makes a great college player a great pro, some guys get their asses kicked in NCAA then go on as the ass kicker in the pros. Who the **** knows how or why that happens.
I'm sure there's tons of examples of players that sucked in college and were good in the pros. Thanks for that
 

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My body is ready. I’m in favor of full-on tank for Caleb Williams after the Chiefs kick the shit out of the Bears.
Serious question: Do you really think a new QB is gonna fix the longstanding line issues? Or do they just roll this guy in with zero help, mess him up in three years and you all will be pining for the hot QB in 2027?
 

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Serious question: Do you really think a new QB is gonna fix the longstanding line issues? Or do they just roll this guy in with zero help, mess him up in three years and you all will be pining for the hot QB in 2027?
Upgrading at QB and trying to get the first great quarterback in franchise history doesn’t preclude them from also trying to improve the rest of their roster.

Drafting a great quarterback is actually the best way to improve the rest of your roster, because you’re not overpaying for a mediocre vet under center.
 

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Drafting a great quarterback is actually the best way to improve the rest of your roster, because you’re not overpaying for a mediocre vet under center.
The reality is a bit more mixed. The fact is we don't really know what the best strategy is post-Tom Brady. Lots of teams have won with veteran quarterbacks picked up via free agency or trade, including two of the last three Super Bowl champions.

That said over the last ten Super Bowls seven were helmed by quarterbacks who were on the team that drafted them.

But then again Tom Brady accounts for three of those seven. A fifth round pick from the year 2000 doesn't really support or contradict the idea of basing your entire franchises hopes on highly drafted quarterbacks.

We don't know. I tend to be skeptical that its the panacea to all your problems, and when I look at the teams Joe Flacco or Russell Wilson won with I see overwhelmingly talented rosters.
 

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The reality is a bit more mixed. The fact is we don't really know what the best strategy is post-Tom Brady. Lots of teams have won with veteran quarterbacks picked up via free agency or trade, including two of the last three Super Bowl champions.

That said over the last ten Super Bowls seven were helmed by quarterbacks who were on the team that drafted them.

But then again Tom Brady accounts for three of those seven. A fifth round pick from the year 2000 doesn't really support or contradict the idea of basing your entire franchises hopes on highly drafted quarterbacks.

We don't know. I tend to be skeptical that its the panacea to all your problems, and when I look at the teams Joe Flacco or Russell Wilson won with I see overwhelmingly talented rosters.
No, we know.

It’s better to have a great quarterback than to not have a great quarterback.

The main way bad teams get great quarterbacks is through the draft, preferably as high as you can get.

Cincinnati would not have made the Super Bowl and 2 straight AFC title games without Joe Burrow.

Buffalo would not be a perpetual playoff team without Josh Allen, despite his recent struggles.

The Chiefs would not be the Chiefs without Patrick Mahomes.

The Packers would not have been a perpetual playoff team without Aaron Rodgers.

The Jaguars would not now be a playoff team without Trevor Lawrence.

The Colts would not have been a perpetual playoff team without Payton Manning and Andrew Luck.


No one is saying try to draft a great quarterback while ignoring the rest of the roster. We’re just saying it’s by far the most important thing. It’s incredibly obvious.
 

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No, we know.

It’s better to have a great quarterback than to not have a great quarterback.

The main way bad teams get great quarterbacks is through the draft, preferably as high as you can get.

Cincinnati would not have made the Super Bowl and 2 straight AFC title games without Joe Burrow.

Buffalo would not be a perpetual playoff team without Josh Allen, despite his recent struggles.

The Chiefs would not be the Chiefs without Patrick Mahomes.

The Packers would not have been a perpetual playoff team without Aaron Rodgers.

The Jaguars would not now be a playoff team without Trevor Lawrence.

The Colts would not have been a perpetual playoff team without Payton Manning and Andrew Luck.


No one is saying try to draft a great quarterback while ignoring the rest of the roster. We’re just saying it’s by far the most important thing. It’s incredibly obvious.
What ultimately see here is a lot of teams who just aren't good enough and eventually will meet a disappointing end against a team with a superior roster and coach (Tampa Bay 2021, Rams 2022, Eagles 2018, Seahawks 2013, Broncos 2016) or one of the GOAT quarterbacks (Kansas City, New England, Tampa Bay sort of). That at least has been the way its worked my whole life. The bar for a quarterback good enough to win you a title is extremely high, and while the payoff is an enduring cap-proof decade-plus of competitiveness, you can also languish for decades hoping to get lucky on that player.

I just don't think this post you made is productive at all. You say its obvious, but delving into results it doesn't take long before the only obvious conclusion you can draw is that there are no obvious conclusions. How do we really explain that Peyton Manning spent years and years as arguably the best quarterback in the NFL, only won one Super Bowl in that span, but then when he went to Denver he had to degrade to the point of near uselessness to win it again?
 

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Close call today boys but Tank Commanders Flus & Fields came through in the clutch.
 

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I wonder what the updated odds are for the number 1 pick. It has to be at least 50 percent. Bears and Panthers hand the only other 2 winless teams their first victory.
 

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I wonder what the updated odds are for the number 1 pick. It has to be at least 50 percent. Bears and Panthers hand the only other 2 winless teams their first victory.
The Bears alone should be fifty percent.
 

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OP should ban himself. No negativity about the Bears is allowed here or you will be threatened with a ban or have your posts deleted.

This is unacceptable.
 

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