TGDT: 11/26 Blackhawks @ Ducks 3:00PM WGN

[PatrickShart]

I gave a -1 ....because its TCD and he's a dbag.

 

[nana]

I gave a -1 ....because its TCD and he's a dbag.

And I gave it a +1.

 

[the canadian dream]

I give nana a +1 for giving me a +1



I give pmx a -1 for not only giving me a -1 but for also making nana give me a +1 because pmx gave me a -1.



I give stu this..........



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-yZFbzaWbg

 

[Variable]

Assuming you mean the goalkeeping.



Not at all. Last year Huet was playing like garbage and lost all confidence. Turco is NOT playing like garbage. I don't know where that assumption is comming from with people. Turco is also not playing without confidence. If he was you wouldn't see him touching that puck and playing it. Turco stops playing the puck when he is unconfident.



Not even close to the goalie situation we had last year. Turco has not been an issue at all this season.

Yes I meant goal keeping, but not as far as me saying Turco has been absolutely awful, more that I''ve actually been a little more confident watching Crawford in net than Turco. Just looks easier for him since he covers up more of the goal than Turco can. With the way this team has played on defense, I feel more comfortable with Crawford right now. Last year's defense, no problem, Turco would fit right in, make the team even better. But this isn't last year's team. I'm not a "hater" of Turco, I thought was a great signing. It's just the team hasn't played well in front of him, especially with getting to loose pucks around the goal, and with his style of play (the key proponent of this), that's a bad combination.



I'm just saying, if they continue to struggle and be inconsistent as they have been on defense so far this season, I'd rather have Crawford in net because in that case, I believe he'd be more likely to maybe get some more wins. That's not really dissing Turco, it's just he wouldn't fit the team as they are playing right now.

 

[E Runs]

Craw had a good game but so did the Hawks defense overall. PK was the dominant factor of the game from what I saw. Ducks have a strong powerplay and the Hawks did great shuting it down and boy did they have to be in top form today to do so seeing it was def a one sided affair for special teams. Keith shorthanded goal was the momentum changer of the game easily. Brouwers shift when he scored his goal was unbelievable...a perfect shift Troy.

All I kept thinking was thank god Salenne wasn't playing with all those PPs.

 

[mikita's helmet]

Nice to see a strong 3rd period by the boys. Let's win tonight, beat the Blues on Tuesday, and get on a roll.

 

[Ashor-redtribe]

Like I mentioned in the Sharks chat, its time to give the # 1 spot to Crawford, he not only deserves it, his play shows it too. When he is on the ice we look like a different team a much better team. I feel more confident with him on the the ice lately. When Turco is on the ice, we looked lost on D and once the opposing team scores, you expect anther goal in about 14 sec later. Maybe its Turco playing the puck that messes up the D's thought process I don't know, but we really don't have much time sit here and find out who is the better goalie or you need time to break in Crawford. He has been here long enough to now the system and has played in many games since being a Hawk, the time is now, we are not last years teem to experiment with these guys, lets be honest, we are not a championship team not yet, not with Turco. The time to start Crawford is now before its too late and the season comes to an end and we wonder which game had we started Crawford would have changed our season. Don't get wrong, Turco is a great goalie, but I feel better as him as a backup, you never know maybe seeing the hawks from the bench for a while, he will understand this team better.

 

[FlaHawkFan]

Like I mentioned in the Sharks chat, its time to give the # 1 spot to Crawford, he not only deserves it, his play shows it too. When he is on the ice we look like a different team a much better team. I feel more confident with him on the the ice lately. When Turco is on the ice, we looked lost on D and once the opposing team scores, you expect anther goal in about 14 sec later. Maybe its Turco playing the puck that messes up the D's thought process I don't know, but we really don't have much time sit here and find out who is the better goalie or you need time to break in Crawford. He has been here long enough to now the system and has played in many games since being a Hawk, the time is now, we are not last years teem to experiment with these guys, lets be honest, we are not a championship team not yet, not with Turco. The time to start Crawford is now before its too late and the season comes to an end and we wonder which game had we started Crawford would have changed our season. Don't get wrong, Turco is a great goalie, but I feel better as him as a backup, you never know maybe seeing the hawks from the bench for a while, he will understand this team better.

Acco, I think you're right. I don't want to heap any huge responsibility for the often bad play of the Hawks' D this season on Turco because he's obviously not responsible for that. But Duncan Keith said something interesting in an interview on WGN after the last Anaheim game (at the UC) that Crawford won. He said something like, it was easy to play with Crawford in net because he's always in position and after shots against, the D know where they should be positionally. Now he didn't take any kind of shots at Turco and I don't think that's how he intended it at all but it made me wonder (and of course the husband said I was reading way too much into it, lol). It also made me think about the Olympics and how lousy the Canadian d-men were playing with Brodeur in net, when he was trying to make big plays on the puck nearly every play as if to prove he was still the best at it (sans trapezoid). The d-men looked completely lost until the non-puck-playing Luongo became the starter.



With the Hawks, maybe the guys just aren't used to playing Marty's type of game, or maybe Marty is trying too hard to live up to his billing as the guy who can get the rush started even better with our fast d-men, but whatever the case I think Acco's right -- the guys simply look more comfortable with Craw in net. Again, not a knock on Turco but it makes some sense to me.

 

[E Runs]

Chicken or egg? There's always a Rally Around the Backup thing going on with whenever they're put in a game, so is it the team playing a simpler game or the goalie who's making them more comfortable? They looked pretty damn comfortable in Vancouver didn't they!? And lest we forget the team has been wildly inconsistent the entire year no matter who's in net. Craw has earned some extra starts sure but in no way has Turco done anything to lose his #1 status. Marty was playing the shit out of the puck in Minny and it was one of team's best games so....



Until the 18 skaters start playing a consistent game it's preposterous to point the finger, pro or con, at the guy in the net.

 

[Ton]

Chicken or egg? There's always a Rally Around the Backup thing going on with whenever they're put in a game, so is it the team playing a simpler game or the goalie who's making them more comfortable? They looked pretty damn comfortable in Vancouver didn't they!? And lest we forget the team has been wildly inconsistent the entire year no matter who's in net. Craw has earned some extra starts sure but in no way has Turco done anything to lose his #1 status.



Until the 18 skaters start playing a consistent game it's preposterous to point the finger, pro or con, at the guy in the net.

Agreed. I think Crawford has earned extra playing time but I wouldn't anoint him as a starter yet, its a good thing hes playing well... its great for the team and its providing Turco some great competition. IMO this is a healthy situation we are in with our goaltenders, much better than last year.

 

[FlaHawkFan]

Agreed. I think Crawford has earned extra playing time but I wouldn't anoint him as a starter yet, its a good thing hes playing well... its great for the team and its providing Turco some great competition. IMO this is a healthy situation we are in with our goaltenders, much better than last year.

I agree with this. Give Crawford some more starts, but don't rush anything. Keep both guys on their games.

 

[R K]

I think it's extremely similar to last year. Tony you were the one defending Huet throughout most of the season. And, his numbers didn't deem the bashing he received either. I would say the defense was far more consistent last year which bodes well for this year as they find the groove.





To me it's almost exactly the same as last years situation. If Crawford is hot he plays. I'd have played him in San Jose too. There was no #1 last year. I'm not sure there is this year either.

 

[E Runs]

I think it's extremely similar to last year. Tony you were the one defending Huet throughout most of the season. And, his numbers didn't deem the bashing he received either. I would say the defense was far more consistent last year which bodes well for this year as they find the groove.





To me it's almost exactly the same as last years situation. If Crawford is hot he plays. I'd have played him in San Jose too. There was no #1 last year. I'm not sure there is this year either.

Until Turco starts losing games on his own , it's not.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

I think it's extremely similar to last year. Tony you were the one defending Huet throughout most of the season. And, his numbers didn't deem the bashing he received either. I would say the defense was far more consistent last year which bodes well for this year as they find the groove.





To me it's almost exactly the same as last years situation. If Crawford is hot he plays. I'd have played him in San Jose too. There was no #1 last year. I'm not sure there is this year either.

Do you mean at this point in the season or the whole year?

 

[Ton]

I think it's extremely similar to last year. Tony you were the one defending Huet throughout most of the season. And, his numbers didn't deem the bashing he received either. I would say the defense was far more consistent last year which bodes well for this year as they find the groove.





To me it's almost exactly the same as last years situation. If Crawford is hot he plays. I'd have played him in San Jose too. There was no #1 last year. I'm not sure there is this year either.

I did defend Huet, and I'm defending Turco too. The difference between this year and last year was the fact that Niemi was winning games while Huet was struggling.



Turco is 8-7-2 and Crawford is 4-4-2, its not that big of a difference. Niemi had 1 regulation loss in his first 11 games, by the time March rolled around he only had 4 regulation losses and 4 shutout, Q had no choice but to start him considering at that point Huet had lost all confidence... it probably wasn't worth building it up again when he had a capable option in Niemi.



This year is different, Crawford and Turco are both playing well and seem confident but neither are really dominating. Q has always been known to ride the hot hand, the "#1 goaltender" could change at any stretch in the season. I think we have a very good 1-2 punch this season, when all is said and done, I'm comfortable with both... I couldn't say that last year about either of our goaltenders.



I thought Crawford had a strong game (as well as the defense in front of him) and deserves another start... I wouldn't read into it much more than that.

 

[R K]

Do you mean at this point in the season or the whole year?

There was no #1 until the very end of the season.

 

[giovi]

Agreed. I think Crawford has earned extra playing time but I wouldn't anoint him as a starter yet, its a good thing hes playing well... its great for the team and its providing Turco some great competition. IMO this is a healthy situation we are in with our goaltenders, much better than last year.

to me, its pretty much the same situation as last year. a starter who is struggling and a backup who is playing better than the starter.



hopefully, it follows the script from last year.

 

[R K]

To me there is no controversy. Who ever plays well, deserves to play.

 

[R K]

to me, its pretty much the same situation as last year. a starter who is struggling and a backup who is playing better than the starter.



hopefully, it follows the script from last year.

Same here.

 

[giovi]

To me there is no controversy. Who ever plays well, deserves to play.

win and youre in.