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“For retirement, the answer is 4-0-1-k,” proclaimed Tyler Mathisen, then editor of Money magazine in 1996. “I feel sure that someday, like a financial Little-Engine-That-Could, it will pull me over the million-dollar mountain all by itself.”

For this sentiment, and others like it, Mathisen was soon rewarded with an on-air position at financial news network CNBC, where he remains to this day. As for the rest of us? We were had.

The United States is on the verge of a retirement crisis. For the first time in living memory, it seems likely that living standards for those over the age of 65 will begin to decline as compared to those who came before them—and that’s without taking into account the possibility that Social Security benefits will be cut at some point in the future.

The culprit? That same thing Mathisen celebrated: the 401(k), along with the other instruments of do-it-yourself retirement. Not only did they not make us millionaires as self-appointed pundits like Mathisen promised, they left very many of us with very little at all.

You might be tempted to ask “what went wrong,” but a better question might be “why did we ever expect this to work at all?” It’s not, after all, like we weren’t warned. As early as 1986, only a few years after the widespread debut of the 401(k) and the idea that American workers should self-fund their own retirement accounts based on savings and stock market gains, Karen Ferguson who was then, as she is now, the head of the Pension Rights Center, warned in an op-ed published in the New York Times, “Rank-and-file workers have nothing to spare from their paychecks to put into a voluntary plan.”

But her voice, and that of other critics like economist Teresa Ghilarducci, who is now at the New School and described our upcoming retirement crisis as “an abyss” in 1994 congressional hearings, were drowned out by the money and power of the financial services industry, combined with their enablers in the personal finance media who proclaim even today that if we don’t have enough money set aside for retirement, it is all our own fault.

It’s not.

No one less than John Bogle, the founder of the Vanguard Group, might come forward to declare the American way of retirement savings “a train wreck” — but no matter. A train wreck for you and me is a gravy train for the financial services sector. And in the United States, they are the only group that matters.


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Terrible article. A 401K plan is tool. No one can make you invest in it or the choices you make once invested.

They talk about the "million dollar promise". Not sure that there is an official 401K spokesman. If you cant save a million under a 401K you werent going to do it any other way. What are the alternatives again? Right, there are none

BTW, while there is no guarantee of any "rate of success" it is virtually impossible to have lost any money investing in a 401K given the stock movement prices over the last 25 years
 

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Social Security is the scam. I wish I could opt out of that so I could invest MY MONEY the way I see fit. My company 401k match is 100% up to 6%... I'd be stupid to NOT fund at least 6% in order to receive the match.
 

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Social Security is the scam. I wish I could opt out of that so I could invest MY MONEY the way I see fit. My company 401k match is 100% up to 6%... I'd be stupid to NOT fund at least 6% in order to receive the match.

Yeah.... everytime I see my statements with all the money I am required to dump in to Social Security it makes me sad..... I wont see a dime of it back..... would rather save and invest it myself.
 

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Yeah.... everytime I see my statements with all the money I am required to dump in to Social Security it makes me sad..... I wont see a dime of it back..... would rather save and invest it myself.

That's what they want, to promote economic individualism. We should have a solid and sound public pension scheme and used to have one. The right wing economic propaganda is causing people to buy into this nonsense than public austerity and private saving is the way to go.
 

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Social Security is the scam. I wish I could opt out of that so I could invest MY MONEY the way I see fit.

No, SS is not a scam. The politicians who raided the SS fund and used OUR money to go to war are the scam. We could and should have a secure public pension scheme.
 

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Terrible article. A 401K plan is tool. No one can make you invest in it or the choices you make once invested.

They talk about the "million dollar promise". Not sure that there is an official 401K spokesman. If you cant save a million under a 401K you werent going to do it any other way. What are the alternatives again? Right, there are none

BTW, while there is no guarantee of any "rate of success" it is virtually impossible to have lost any money investing in a 401K given the stock movement prices over the last 25 years


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No, SS is not a scam. The politicians who raided the SS fund and used OUR money to go to war are the scam. We could and should have a secure public pension scheme.

S/S is a Ponzi scheme..if it was run by anyone other than the Govt., the administrators would be in jail
 

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Terrible article. A 401K plan is tool. No one can make you invest in it or the choices you make once invested.

They talk about the "million dollar promise". Not sure that there is an official 401K spokesman. If you cant save a million under a 401K you werent going to do it any other way. What are the alternatives again? Right, there are none

BTW, while there is no guarantee of any "rate of success" it is virtually impossible to have lost any money investing in a 401K given the stock movement prices over the last 25 years

*DING!*

We did an impromptu "put your hands up" survey a couple of years ago and found that 95% of the employees have never researched, made changes to or even checked on their 401(k)s...

Half admitted that they didn't even read past the first page of the quarterly statements.
 

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Social Security is the scam. I wish I could opt out of that so I could invest MY MONEY the way I see fit. My company 401k match is 100% up to 6%... I'd be stupid to NOT fund at least 6% in order to receive the match.
It's optional. No one is forcing you, therefore it's not a scam. Dont put any money into it and problem is solved
 

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Yeah.... everytime I see my statements with all the money I am required to dump in to Social Security it makes me sad..... I wont see a dime of it back..... would rather save and invest it myself.

You are mixing and confusing two concepts. SS and a 401k are not related. SS being a mess has no impact on the 401k program
 

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*DING!*

We did an impromptu "put your hands up" survey a couple of years ago and found that 95% of the employees have never researched, made changes to or even checked on their 401(k)s...

Half admitted that they didn't even read past the first page of the quarterly statements.
I thank god every day there is a 401k system. It's been a bloody miracle for me

I never would have put away as much money, never had the employers match my contributions and never had such monetary appreciation and growth

If 401K havent been working for you then you are doing it wrong
 

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No, SS is not a scam. The politicians who raided the SS fund and used OUR money to go to war are the scam. We could and should have a secure public pension scheme.

Yeah like save your own money and keep the fucking Governments fingers out of it as far as taxing is concerned. ANY large sum of money in a system of Government is going to be stolen because the Government does absolutely what it wants, how it wants, and when it wants to. We are all the bitches of our Government and corrupt politicians.
 

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Yeah like save your own money and keep the fucking Governments fingers out of it as far as taxing is concerned. ANY large sum of money in a system of Government is going to be stolen because the Government does absolutely what it wants, how it wants, and when it wants to. We are all the bitches of our Government and corrupt politicians.

You ARE the governmnet, Jester. Government is simply the collective will of the people. The rich and powerful who run the system want you to think of government as an evil third party to be mistrusted, that way you trust private services and are at the mercy of their greed. The only way things can get better is when people stop viewing government as evil and start viewing it as something which needs to be changed rather than discarded.
 

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Guys this chart is why you should always be invested in the stock market and 401k programs for the long term. The chart shows that even though we have had numerous recessions since 1929 the market always recovers and ends up offering the best return on investment. You still have to pick the right stocks/funds but the point is that you NEED to be invested

So, answer this question: what do I do for lunch? Many of you are off to Subway for the $5 footlong dealie. Some go to your cars and jerk off, others get gooped up on gop. What you should be doing is having lunch with the brightest financial and technical minds in your company. You should be picking their brains for 401K and stock strategies. For the technical guys you should be asking their opinions on emerging technologies and ground breaking stuff that will change the market place. Then invest in that. By doing both of these things you have a chance to become wealthier than you can imagine. And buy their freaking lunch

But none of you nitwits are doing any of this

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Guys this chart is why you should always be invested in the stock market and 401k programs for the long term. The chart shows that even though we have had numerous recessions since 1929 the market always recovers and ends up offering the best return on investment. You still have to pick the right stocks/funds but the point is that you NEED to be invested

No. If the only way to enjoy old age outside of povery is to gamble on the market by giving your money to corporations, there's something far wrong with the system.
 

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You ARE the governmnet, Jester. Government is simply the collective will of the people. The rich and powerful who run the system want you to think of government as an evil third party to be mistrusted, that way you trust private services and are at the mercy of their greed. The only way things can get better is when people stop viewing government as evil and start viewing it as something which needs to be changed rather than discarded.

MY ASS I am the Government. You are fucking naive, stupid, or just trying to push buttons if you honestly believe that. My parents are both teachers. Do YOU THINK I REPERESENT a Government that would rape and pillage their pension fund? Give me a fucking break. The lection process is a complete fucking sham and our vote DO SHIT the Government's current state.

The Government is seriously institutionalized corruption and criminal activity by many many very powerful people.
 

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MY ASS I am the Government. You are fucking naive, stupid, or just trying to push buttons if you honestly believe that. My parents are both teachers. Do YOU THINK I REPERESENT a Government that would rape and pillage their pension fund? Give me a fucking break. The lection process is a complete fucking sham and our vote DO SHIT the Government's current state.

The Government is seriously institutionalized corruption and criminal activity by many many very powerful people.

Again, you're acting like government is some private corporation you have no control over. We can CHANGE the government. "Government" (as opposed to "the government") is literally the collective will of the people. The government is corrupt because we allow a system where they're in cahoots with the wealthiest private individuals and corporations. THAT'S what needs to change.
 

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Guys this chart is why you should always be invested in the stock market and 401k programs for the long term. The chart shows that even though we have had numerous recessions since 1929 the market always recovers and ends up offering the best return on investment. You still have to pick the right stocks/funds but the point is that you NEED to be invested

So, answer this question: what do I do for lunch? Many of you are off to Subway for the $5 footlong dealie. Some go to your cars and jerk off, others get gooped up on gop. What you should be doing is having lunch with the brightest financial and technical minds in your company. You should be picking their brains for 401K and stock strategies. For the technical guys you should be asking their opinions on emerging technologies and ground breaking stuff that will change the market place. Then invest in that. By doing both of these things you have a chance to become wealthier than you can imagine. And buy their freaking lunch

But none of you nitwits are doing any of this

1928dow.gif

I've been maxing out 401k since I was 25 and I just don't seeing hitting a million, though it's possible in the next 20-25 years.We don't have a choice as to which companies we want to invest in specifically, we just pick a mutual fund. You only have a certain limit each year you can invest.
 

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