The Armchair GM Knows Best Thread - Choose Your Own Adventure

[knoxville7]

Except Lillard, then you just end up in the cellar lol

But sure one player alone doesn't make or break a franchise...usually. Kyrie has played with some pretty great players post Lebron but still we don't see the results. The Nets big 3 should've been a title contending team in theory, but yet they only played 16 games together. Is that Kyrie's fault? Partly. Is it KD and Harden's fault? Probably also partly. Those three were on the Nets for about a calendar year, 16 games together in that stretch is pretty wild. That aside, even just two of the three should have resulted in success, and for a bit it did this season with KD and Kyrie before KD got injured. But then you hear Kyrie wants a trade. He gets his trade and is paired with another great player in Doncic...no success.

Let's rewind further, season prior to the Harden trade the Nets were 2 games below .500, but Kyrie only played 20 games due to shoulder issues. Prior to that you have 2 seasons in Boston where Kyrie did make the 2nd round of the playoffs with Kyrie playing 126 out of 164 games playing alongside a young Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, a not yet dead Gordon Hayward and a not yet super old Al Horford.

So yes, the team matters, but we have seen in each of those spots that Kyrie can and has been the cause for distraction in those teams. I don't think Kyrie has been on any truly bad teams since leaving Cleveland. Flawed teams, sure, but nothing where you're saying "man without Kyrie that team would be in the dumps"

Well, let’s play this narrative and dish it out fairly then

Kyrie has won a ring, correct?

So he is clearly capable of being a main cog in a winning team

The nets, yeah like we’ve both pointed out. Those 3 hardly ever played together.

Luka is amazing and all, but it’s obvious that he has some growing up to do still. And luka and Kyrie didn’t play much together either

Those Boston teams were good but I’d say that Tatum and brown weren’t the same guys they are today. They have grown up a lot since Kyrie was there.

So yeah, he’s played with great players…but not always at the best timeframe in those players careers

Like I said, he clearly can be a big time contributor on a title winning team and is still only 30 years old

As long as a pandemic doesn’t break out again…lol

 

[clonetrooper264]

Well, let’s play this narrative and dish it out fairly then

Kyrie has won a ring, correct?

So he is clearly capable of being a main cog in a winning team

The nets, yeah like we’ve both pointed out. Those 3 hardly ever played together.

Luka is amazing and all, but it’s obvious that he has some growing up to do still. And luka and Kyrie didn’t play much together either

Those Boston teams were good but I’d say that Tatum and brown weren’t the same guys they are today. They have grown up a lot since Kyrie was there.

So yeah, he’s played with great players…but not always at the best timeframe in those players careers

Like I said, he clearly can be a big time contributor on a title winning team and is still only 30 years old

As long as a pandemic doesn’t break out again…lol

I think I am being quite fair on Kyrie. It is known that he won a ring and was a huge, some could even say THE, reason they won. Like I said before, his skill is undeniable. He's been on teams with great players, sure not ideal timeline for peak greatness, but that wasn't the point...but his success at each stop has pretty much been progressively less. Thus there is a question on Kyrie today of if he's still that guy he was 6 years ago who can be a major part of winning...or is he a distraction holding his team back from greater success?

To be fair, I do think he can be a part of at least a winning (like regular season well over .500 team), he showed as much in Brooklyn when he played. At the same time, the concerns surrounding him are fair as his off the court stuff has been the cause for turmoil and is a fair reason the Nets big 3 only played 16 games together. At it seems to be getting beyond pandemic related issues, so all that to say I get the resistance.

But yes, on paper, swap him for Derozan he should help...emphasis on should

 

[knoxville7]

I think I am being quite fair on Kyrie. It is known that he won a ring and was a huge, some could even say THE, reason they won. Like I said before, his skill is undeniable. He's been on teams with great players, sure not ideal timeline for peak greatness, but that wasn't the point...but his success at each stop has pretty much been progressively less. Thus there is a question on Kyrie today of if he's still that guy he was 6 years ago who can be a major part of winning...or is he a distraction holding his team back from greater success?

To be fair, I do think he can be a part of at least a winning (like regular season well over .500 team), he showed as much in Brooklyn when he played. At the same time, the concerns surrounding him are fair as his off the court stuff has been the cause for turmoil and is a fair reason the Nets big 3 only played 16 games together. At it seems to be getting beyond pandemic related issues, so all that to say I get the resistance.

But yes, on paper, swap him for Derozan he should help...emphasis on should

I mean, he’s put up basically the same numbers as he did when he was winning with Lebron in Cleveland.

 

[RoseMVP1]

Kyrie is to unpredictable for me. He always seems to be on some bullshit. I personally don’t think he’s worth the trouble especially at the price he’s going to command. They definitely do need to do something at PG though. Lonzo is never playing for the Bulls again and there’s no reason a player like Beverly should be playing nearly 30 minutes a game at this stage.

I was against both for the longest time, but tbh I think I’d try to re-sign both Coby and Vucevic. Depending on the deals of course. Vucevic has been solid and is reliable and there’s not really any good option to replace him with. If he got something short term, I’d be good with it. I think with how he plays he’s got at least 2 more good years left in him.

Coby has just gotten better. His handle, defense, passing and shooting have all gotten better. I’m not giving him a max of course, but I think he’s someone you almost have to re-sign at this point. Like I mentioned above, they can’t continue to play a guy like Beverly(or someone on that level) for nearly 30 minutes a game.

Like I mentioned previously, I’d also try to ship Demar out and get an asset or two. Love him and what hes done, but I think it’s just time. Especially since he’s getting older. Ideally then I’d like to add a bigger forward that can shoot and help on the boards so we can move Pat back to the 3. So a starting lineup next year of:

PG: Coby
SG: Zach
SF: Pat
PF: ???(haven’t really looked so not sure who’s even available/realistic)
C: Vucevic

Assuming you can get a forward that that can shoot and at least play decent defense, the defense shouldn’t really fall off and the shooting should be better.

 

[clonetrooper264]

I mean, he’s put up basically the same numbers as he did when he was winning with Lebron in Cleveland.

Arguably he's putting up better numbers than Cleveland and has since he left. Like I said, the skill is undeniable

 

[Chicago4Life]

Kyrie is to unpredictable for me. He always seems to be on some bullshit. I personally don’t think he’s worth the trouble especially at the price he’s going to command. They definitely do need to do something at PG though. Lonzo is never playing for the Bulls again and there’s no reason a player like Beverly should be playing nearly 30 minutes a game at this stage.

I was against both for the longest time, but tbh I think I’d try to re-sign both Coby and Vucevic. Depending on the deals of course. Vucevic has been solid and is reliable and there’s not really any good option to replace him with. If he got something short term, I’d be good with it. I think with how he plays he’s got at least 2 more good years left in him.

Coby has just gotten better. His handle, defense, passing and shooting have all gotten better. I’m not giving him a max of course, but I think he’s someone you almost have to re-sign at this point. Like I mentioned above, they can’t continue to play a guy like Beverly(or someone on that level) for nearly 30 minutes a game.

Like I mentioned previously, I’d also try to ship Demar out and get an asset or two. Love him and what hes done, but I think it’s just time. Especially since he’s getting older. Ideally then I’d like to add a bigger forward that can shoot and help on the boards so we can move Pat back to the 3. So a starting lineup next year of:

PG: Coby
SG: Zach
SF: Pat
PF: ???(haven’t really looked so not sure who’s even available/realistic)
C: Vucevic

Assuming you can get a forward that that can shoot and at least play decent defense, the defense shouldn’t really fall off and the shooting should be better.

i would hope they keep coby as he's truly improved year after year and now looks like he could be a starting guard but will depend much on whats he looking for in salary. I think bulls need to blow it up, demar cannot sustain this level of play, lavine is not a franchise player even though he's payed like one and vuce is not worth the money he's probably asking for. For two years AKME has tried to make this work and its been a failure, its time to move on...Since donovan has been secretly extended i think they should get as many assets as they can and rebuild around coby, williams and terry. Williams has actually looked far better this season and without the stars i think it will continue to force him be aggressive

 

[RC_Skinny22]

Don´t know if it works out money wise, but for next season I would like to turn it into something like this:

Starters:
PG: Coby White
SG: Zach Lavine
SF: Patrick Williams
PF: P.J. Washington (RFA) / if you can´t get him Cameron Johnson (RFA)
C: Christian Wood (UFA)

Bench:
PG: Alex Caruso
SG: Seth Curry (UFA) / if you can´t get him DJ Augustin (UFA) for one year as backup PG and switch Caruso to backup SG
SF: Javonte Green
PF: Derrick Jones JR
C: Andre Drummond

G: Dalen Terry
FW: Terry Taylor
C: Marko Simonovic

Say goodbye to Derozan, Vucevic, Ayo & PatBev

Then look to improve starting PG next offseason and move Coby back to backup SG. Think the scoring guard off the bench still suits him best.

 

[truthbedamned]

Don´t know if it works out money wise, but for next season I would like to turn it into something like this:

Starters:
PG: Coby White
SG: Zach Lavine
SF: Patrick Williams
PF: P.J. Washington (RFA) / if you can´t get him Cameron Johnson (RFA)
C: Christian Wood (UFA)

Bench:
PG: Alex Caruso
SG: Seth Curry (UFA) / if you can´t get him DJ Augustin (UFA) for one year as backup PG and switch Caruso to backup SG
SF: Javonte Green
PF: Derrick Jones JR
C: Andre Drummond

G: Dalen Terry
FW: Terry Taylor
C: Marko Simonovic

Say goodbye to Derozan, Vucevic, Ayo & PatBev

Then look to improve starting PG next offseason and move Coby back to backup SG. Think the scoring guard off the bench still suits him best.

Why in hell would Seth Curry come to the Bulls to be a backup?

 

[clonetrooper264]

Why in hell would Seth Curry come to the Bulls to be a backup?

He's already a backup in Brooklyn at this point.

 

[truthbedamned]

He's already a backup in Brooklyn at this point.

My bad....Wrong Curry.