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hasheem thabeet v darko millic
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pinkizdead wrote:
This is easily Darko. Thabeet isn't even a full year into his career, and the best players they missed on were Tyreke Evans and Stephen Curry. By drafting Darko, the Pistons missed a chance to get Carmello, Bosh, and Wade. So either way you look at it, Darko was the bigger bust.
This is easily Darko. Thabeet isn't even a full year into his career, and the best players they missed on were Tyreke Evans and Stephen Curry. By drafting Darko, the Pistons missed a chance to get Carmello, Bosh, and Wade. So either way you look at it, Darko was the bigger bust.
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i thought of that, but, hasheem is playing in the d league. That sucks! the number 2 draft pick is in the developmental league. Man that rubio/evans/ harden/ everyone else pick looks realyl good right now.
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I'd still take Darko. He's never really done anything at all during his career. I guess it's a bit early to say though since Thabeet hasn't really gotten a whole lot of playing time. The fact that he's been sent to the D-League is pretty disgraceful though. A #2 pick in the D-League...that's got to say something to him.
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mahini is now the 3r string center. they really ought to have traded the pick or signed som1 better. Strangely rubio, if he lives up to his hype, would have put this team into the playoffs. Evans just look good on every team. sucks for the grizzlies.
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Way to early too call. And I haven't seen Thabeet play so I can't really comment. But for a very raw player, the dleague isn't a bad thing.
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During the Pacers game Funk said something about that Thabeet has an inear infection?
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clonetrooper264 wrote:
Ridiculous Upside made it sound like it was only meant to be temporary.
That colors the d-league assignment a little differently. Seems more like the Grizz were just trying to get Thabeet some playing time while the opportunity was there.
I was never the biggest fan of Thabeet, but I would have never imagined he would be this bad.
Ridiculous Upside made it sound like it was only meant to be temporary.
That colors the d-league assignment a little differently. Seems more like the Grizz were just trying to get Thabeet some playing time while the opportunity was there.
I was never the biggest fan of Thabeet, but I would have never imagined he would be this bad.
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he must have meant pyscho T. tyler has an inner ear infection
i as watching tbj, and the pointed that : Thabeet is 23. how much more do you expect him to grow? He's not going to grow much more beyond this. his ceiling is probably eric dampier. ouch.
he must have meant pyscho T. tyler has an inner ear infection
i as watching tbj, and the pointed that : Thabeet is 23. how much more do you expect him to grow? He's not going to grow much more beyond this. his ceiling is probably eric dampier. ouch.
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I had no doubt in my mind one bit, willing to put all my money i own that Thabeet would be a huge bust. There is no way this guy should of been drafted in the top 8. If a guys top potential isnt better then a Mutumbo, a one sided player and the odds of him of reaching this are small then why waste the number 2 pick of the draft on him. Of course a 7 3 center in college is going to block shots, but outside of that theres nothing special about his game. Memphis will regret this pick for years especially with Tyreke Steph and other successful rookies drafted behind him.
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They're definitely going to, but at the same time what would Tyreke have done with the Grizz? Between Mayo, *** and him there would not be enough possessions to go around. Chances are they bring him off the bench, significantly diminishing his production. Perhaps he looks pretty average if they take him.
The pick that seems to make the most sense in retrospect is drafting Rubio at 2. I've read that some GMs believe the reason they think he's not in the NBA right now is not because the T-Wolves drafted Flynn immediately after, but rather that he was expecting to go higher. Even if Rubio doesn't come right away, it's not as though the Grizz would be losing productivity they are currently getting in Thabeet. If he does come, and you have to think having fellow Spaniard Marc Gasol would help make that a reality, you have an upgrade at the point over Conley (speaking of busts), and that team is better going forward.
They're definitely going to, but at the same time what would Tyreke have done with the Grizz? Between Mayo, *** and him there would not be enough possessions to go around. Chances are they bring him off the bench, significantly diminishing his production. Perhaps he looks pretty average if they take him.
The pick that seems to make the most sense in retrospect is drafting Rubio at 2. I've read that some GMs believe the reason they think he's not in the NBA right now is not because the T-Wolves drafted Flynn immediately after, but rather that he was expecting to go higher. Even if Rubio doesn't come right away, it's not as though the Grizz would be losing productivity they are currently getting in Thabeet. If he does come, and you have to think having fellow Spaniard Marc Gasol would help make that a reality, you have an upgrade at the point over Conley (speaking of busts), and that team is better going forward.
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Shouldn't it be someone like Darko vs. Oden? Thabeet is a rookie. You can't even begin to consider him a bust yet. He's barely played. Darko has been in the league for years, already on his second contract, & still has done jack. It's Darko without a contest.
Thabeet is not good & wasn't that good in college either. He's a slower version of Roy Hibbert. And just look at Hibbert. He leads the league in fouls per minutes played. I doubt Thabeet will amount to much in this league but no one was projecting him to be the greatest thing since Wilt. Mutomobo was his ceiling & while Mutomobo was a very good player, he was not an extremely skilled player. Darko had all the tools, the hype, not to mention youth, & he fell completely flat on his face. They were calling him the next Dirk & even better than Dirk if he panned out.
Oh & I'm going to just throw this out there too. Rubio is going to be a bust. I never understood the hype around this kid. He's a horrible shooter, is slow, unathletic, & wretched running the fast break. He's Sergio Rodriguez part deux.
Shouldn't it be someone like Darko vs. Oden? Thabeet is a rookie. You can't even begin to consider him a bust yet. He's barely played. Darko has been in the league for years, already on his second contract, & still has done jack. It's Darko without a contest.
Thabeet is not good & wasn't that good in college either. He's a slower version of Roy Hibbert. And just look at Hibbert. He leads the league in fouls per minutes played. I doubt Thabeet will amount to much in this league but no one was projecting him to be the greatest thing since Wilt. Mutomobo was his ceiling & while Mutomobo was a very good player, he was not an extremely skilled player. Darko had all the tools, the hype, not to mention youth, & he fell completely flat on his face. They were calling him the next Dirk & even better than Dirk if he panned out.
Oh & I'm going to just throw this out there too. Rubio is going to be a bust. I never understood the hype around this kid. He's a horrible shooter, is slow, unathletic, & wretched running the fast break. He's Sergio Rodriguez part deux.
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Oh my bad of course he talked about Tyler Hansbrough. I mixed them.
Sorry for that.
Oh my bad of course he talked about Tyler Hansbrough. I mixed them.
Sorry for that.
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Guys drafted after Darko have already made a combined 19 all-star appearances. Darko has never even averaged 24 minutes a game. I don't think it matters how big a bust Thabeet is, Darko is bigger.
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pinkizdead wrote:
I would say Darko because Thabeet is still a rookie, so he isn't there yet.
But even if Thabeet ends up being terrible Darko will always be viewed as the worst because of the draft class he was in. The Pistons passed on franchise players, Melo, Bosh, Wade, for Darko. That makes it even worse.
I would say Darko because Thabeet is still a rookie, so he isn't there yet.
But even if Thabeet ends up being terrible Darko will always be viewed as the worst because of the draft class he was in. The Pistons passed on franchise players, Melo, Bosh, Wade, for Darko. That makes it even worse.
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From what I've seen he's reasonably athletic and quick. Certainly doesn't deserve to be called unathletic. As for your criticism of his shooting, you're absolutely correct. However, bad shooting from the point guard position isn't necessarily a killer. I can't imagine his shot is significantly worse than Rondo, and he manages to do pretty well. He's also very young, barely 19 I believe, which indicates this is something that could improve.
If pressed, I'd say he'll never be a franchise player, but I don't see why he doesn't have the potential of a "Robin." He really sets up other players well, and he's a big point guard, which could be very helpful on the defensive end.
From what I've seen he's reasonably athletic and quick. Certainly doesn't deserve to be called unathletic. As for your criticism of his shooting, you're absolutely correct. However, bad shooting from the point guard position isn't necessarily a killer. I can't imagine his shot is significantly worse than Rondo, and he manages to do pretty well. He's also very young, barely 19 I believe, which indicates this is something that could improve.
If pressed, I'd say he'll never be a franchise player, but I don't see why he doesn't have the potential of a "Robin." He really sets up other players well, and he's a big point guard, which could be very helpful on the defensive end.
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He stayed in Europe for 2 reasons: 1) He knows he would get destroyed in the quicker, more physical NBA-style, and 2) He will always make more money in Europe even if he's mediocre, which he won't be because Euroball is a joke compared to the NBA. He's quick in the open court but he lacks explosiveness to break anyone down off the dribble, so he'll have to be on a pick-n-roll team to have any sort of offensive success. He doesn't finish well around the hoop because he has little hops. And big? Yea he's the same height as Kirk without any of the toughness. Guards like CP3, D-Will, & D-Rose would absolutely destroy him night in & night out. He's the type of guard who goes for the steal over staying in front of his man.
People are comparing this kid to Pistol Pete which is ridiculous. Their games are completely different other than some fancy passing. Maravich was 6'5" & was an explosive scorer, who could go for a trip-dub on any given night. Rubio can pass & run the floor, other than that, I've seen nothing out of this kid that would garner this type of comparison or hype.
He stayed in Europe for 2 reasons: 1) He knows he would get destroyed in the quicker, more physical NBA-style, and 2) He will always make more money in Europe even if he's mediocre, which he won't be because Euroball is a joke compared to the NBA. He's quick in the open court but he lacks explosiveness to break anyone down off the dribble, so he'll have to be on a pick-n-roll team to have any sort of offensive success. He doesn't finish well around the hoop because he has little hops. And big? Yea he's the same height as Kirk without any of the toughness. Guards like CP3, D-Will, & D-Rose would absolutely destroy him night in & night out. He's the type of guard who goes for the steal over staying in front of his man.
People are comparing this kid to Pistol Pete which is ridiculous. Their games are completely different other than some fancy passing. Maravich was 6'5" & was an explosive scorer, who could go for a trip-dub on any given night. Rubio can pass & run the floor, other than that, I've seen nothing out of this kid that would garner this type of comparison or hype.
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You're comparing Rubio's competition to the NBA, when the other draft picks weren't playing in the NBA, they were playing college ball. I also don't think it's as easy to be good in that competition as you're making out: Brandon Jennings certainly didn't walk all over everybody, and he's doing quite well as a rookie in the NBA.
To me though Rubio didn't look out of place when he was playing in the olympics. I see no reason why he can't play at the NBA level. If this new CBA slashes salaries, we might not get the chance to test that theory though.
To me though Rubio didn't look out of place when he was playing in the olympics. I see no reason why he can't play at the NBA level. If this new CBA slashes salaries, we might not get the chance to test that theory though.
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Wow you should be carefull with this. I don´t know if you´re watching Euroball but don´t say Euroball sucks. We play a completely other style than you guys do. NBA is focused more on 1on1 while passing is more important here. European teams play way better defense. Really NBA defense during regular season is a joke.
I don´t like Rubio and I think he would have hella big problems in the NBA because he is too weak.
Wow you should be carefull with this. I don´t know if you´re watching Euroball but don´t say Euroball sucks. We play a completely other style than you guys do. NBA is focused more on 1on1 while passing is more important here. European teams play way better defense. Really NBA defense during regular season is a joke.
I don´t like Rubio and I think he would have hella big problems in the NBA because he is too weak.
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Bullseye wrote:
You mean defense like taking the ball off the rim while it's still in the cylinder?
The NBA is quicker, more physical, & way more talented. It's proven. Not to mention there are only 24 teams, games are only 40mins, the 3point line is closer, & there's no defensive 3 second violation. I'm sure it's easier to play D when you can camp a player out in the lane all day & take the ball off the rim.
I do agree that NBA is more 1 on 1 & star oriented but Euroball cannot hold a candle to the NBA, not in terms of talent or competition. As for the Olympics, it's the best players from respective countries & they play Euro rules so of course Euroball players are going to play better.
You mean defense like taking the ball off the rim while it's still in the cylinder?
The NBA is quicker, more physical, & way more talented. It's proven. Not to mention there are only 24 teams, games are only 40mins, the 3point line is closer, & there's no defensive 3 second violation. I'm sure it's easier to play D when you can camp a player out in the lane all day & take the ball off the rim.
I do agree that NBA is more 1 on 1 & star oriented but Euroball cannot hold a candle to the NBA, not in terms of talent or competition. As for the Olympics, it's the best players from respective countries & they play Euro rules so of course Euroball players are going to play better.