The Chicago Cubs: The Right Way to Rebuild

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October 12, 2011, the day that the fortunes of the Chicago Cubs took a dramatic, Boston-like shift back towards respectability. Former Red Sox General Manager Theo Epstein agreed to a massive five-year, $18.5 million deal to become of president of baseball’s long enduring, loveable losers.

Epstein, along with highly underrated GM Jed Hoyer, were tasked with winning the way the pair had done in Boston – though player development, savvy acquisitions, and staying one step ahead of competition. And while the club has lost nearly 200 games since 2012, the machine-like player development program the front office has put in place is nearing a boiling point in the minors.

The Cubs own the third best farm system in baseball. But just look at the club’s top 10 prospects: Kris Bryant, Javier Baez, C.J. Edwards, Albert Almora, Jorge Soler, Arismendy Alcantara, Daniel Vogelbach, Christian Villanueva, Mike Olt, and Pierce Johnson.

Notice the trend?
There are two, really.

The First: The Cubs, thanks in part to Epstein, Hoyer, and Co. as well as the previous regime, decided to take an incredibly unappreciated method towards rebuilding – collecting high-end offensive talent which has a much lower attrition/higher success rate than pitchers thanks to the vagaries of the human body (also known as the injury nexus).

The road to heartbreak and front office unemployment is littered with plenty of failed top minor league hurlers, giving credence to the old baseball adage that “there’s no such thing as a pitching prospect.”

The revival of the New York Mets in the early to mid-1990s was placed squarely on the shoulders of a trio of power pitchers – Bill Pulsipher, Jason Isringhausen, and Paul Wilson – aptly named Generation K. All three would quickly succumb to injury.
Lefty Brien Taylor, the #1 pick in 1991, chosen a handful of picks ahead of a pair of All Star outfielders (Manny Ramirez and Shawn Green), was once touted by super-agent Scott Boras as the best high school pitcher he’d ever seen. Taylor would dislocate his left shoulder and tear his labrum in a brawl.

And then there’s hard-throwing right-hander Matt Anderson, another #1 pick out of Rice who could touch triple-digits, but tore a muscle in his armpit and was never the same.
Prospect attrition rate is incredibly high, much higher in baseball than in any other sport I imagine. But very rarely do hitters suffer catastrophic, career-altering injuries. The same can’t be said for hurlers, though.

So Chicago has, in essence, stacked the odds of player development in their favor by going with the group of prospects that holds the least amount of risk – hitters.

The Second: The collection of offensive players all own one particular skill that happens to be in decline at the big league level – power.
It’s no secret that offense has been declining for quite some time now. The league-wide average runs-per-game has dropped in six of the last seven seasons, putting the offensive environment squarely back in the late 1980’s/early 1990s era. But the shortage in power is quite alarming.
Last season 14 hitters topped 30 homeruns. That’s it, 14. Not including the strike-shortened season of 1994, the last time fewer hitters top the 30-HR mark was in 1992, when just nine players breached that mark.

But Chicago has three players – Kris Bryant, the premier power bat in last season’s draft class, Javier Baez, and Mike Olt – who are all capable of slugging 30 homeruns today. Daniel Vogelbach, who slugged 23 doubles and 19 homeruns as a 20-year-old, and Christian Villanueva, who wrapped out 62 extra-base hits last season, both have above-average power potential. Arismendy Alcantara and Albert Almora should top out in the 20-HR territory.

Oh, and one of the front office’s first move was to acquire young slugging first baseman Anthony Rizzo, who smacked 40 doubles and 23 homeruns as a 23-year-old playing in his first full big league season in 2013.

Not only do the Cubs put the best possible plan for a success rebuild firmly in place, but they’re also expediting the process by putting together a veteran rotation to help compete when the first wave of offensive prospects get promoted.

They signed Edwin Jackson for a reasonable four-year, $46 million last January. Solid backend starter Travis Wood is under team control through the end of 2016. And current ace Jeff Samardzija, 29, won’t be a free agent for another two years. Chicago was linked to Japanese ace Masahiro Tanaka before the Yankees – unsurprisingly – swooped in.

Now this plan doesn’t necessarily guarantee a whole lot of future, but the odds are certainly in Chicago’s favor.
http://www.prospectdigest.com/2014/02/24/the-chicago-cubs-the-right-way-to-rebuild/
 

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People need to stop comparing the Cubs with what happened in Boston. It's dumb. The situations could not be any more different.

The only thing the two have in common is that they are both Major League Baseball teams. That is it.

Boston had an owner in John Henry who was willing to allocate every possible resource to the Major League team, the Cubs do not. Since he took over as owner, the Red Sox major league payroll has been out of the top 5 just once when they slid all the way to 6th. He maintained this level of payroll commitment even while spending nearly $300M to renovate Fenway Park which is probably more than the Cubs will end up spending on Wrigley Field if they ever decide to start the renovations and you take out the cost of the ridiculous Jumbo Tron and Luxury Hotel which have zero to do with the actual ballpark.

Boston also had a very well developed major league roster and minor league system. Something the Cubs did not and still do not have at the major league level, although the minor league system wasn't close to the shambles people have been brainwashed into believing.

The major league team had five consecutive winning seasons before Epstein took over, three of those seasons had at least 90 wins including 93 wins the season before. The team had established stars and Hall of Fame talent on the team in Manny Ramirez, Johnny Damon and Pedro Martinez as well as team captain Jason Varitek and others like Nomar and Derek Lowe. The team already had it's Championship core in place. The Cubs gutted the core of the team in favor of prospects and still do not have one.

The minor league system had the assets to go out and trade for Josh Beckett, Mike Lowell and Curt Schilling as well as future core players Kevin Youkilis and Jon Lester.

They won the lottery by taking a chance on David Ortiz who had been released by the Minnesota Twins and turned into one of the greatest DH's and playoff clutch hitters of all time. Maybe Nate Schierholtz will do the same huh?

They did not have to build a championship team. They were handed the keys to a Ferrari. They didn't build one from scratch.
 

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I guess somebody needs to tell the Cardinals they are not doing things the right way then.

Since the year 2000 the Cardinals have won 3 WS, lost 1 WS and lost 4 NLCS.

They have had 27 1st round picks in that time frame with only two of the picks higher than 18 and none higher than 13.

Out of those 27 first round picks, they have selected pitchers with 15 of those 27 picks that including players like Chris Perez, Lance Lynn, Shelby Miller and Michael Wacha.

I hope someone hurries up and tells them they are doing things the wrong way.
 

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People need to stop comparing the Cubs with what happened in Boston. It's dumb. The situations could not be any more different.

The only thing the two have in common is that they are both Major League Baseball teams. That is it.

Boston had an owner in John Henry who was willing to allocate every possible resource to the Major League team, the Cubs do not. Since he took over as owner, the Red Sox major league payroll has been out of the top 5 just once when they slid all the way to 6th. He maintained this level of payroll commitment even while spending nearly $300M to renovate Fenway Park which is probably more than the Cubs will end up spending on Wrigley Field if they ever decide to start the renovations and you take out the cost of the ridiculous Jumbo Tron and Luxury Hotel which have zero to do with the actual ballpark.

Boston also had a very well developed major league roster and minor league system. Something the Cubs did not and still do not have at the major league level, although the minor league system wasn't close to the shambles people have been brainwashed into believing.

The major league team had five consecutive winning seasons before Epstein took over, three of those seasons had at least 90 wins including 93 wins the season before. The team had established stars and Hall of Fame talent on the team in Manny Ramirez, Johnny Damon and Pedro Martinez as well as team captain Jason Varitek and others like Nomar and Derek Lowe. The team already had it's Championship core in place. The Cubs gutted the core of the team in favor of prospects and still do not have one.

The minor league system had the assets to go out and trade for Josh Beckett, Mike Lowell and Curt Schilling as well as future core players Kevin Youkilis and Jon Lester.

They won the lottery by taking a chance on David Ortiz who had been released by the Minnesota Twins and turned into one of the greatest DH's and playoff clutch hitters of all time. Maybe Nate Schierholtz will do the same huh?

They did not have to build a championship team. They were handed the keys to a Ferrari. They didn't build one from scratch.
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I guess somebody needs to tell the Cardinals they are not doing things the right way then.

Since the year 2000 the Cardinals have won 3 WS, lost 1 WS and lost 4 NLCS.

They have had 27 1st round picks in that time frame with only two of the picks higher than 18 and none higher than 13.

Out of those 27 first round picks, they have selected pitchers with 15 of those 27 picks that including players like Chris Perez, Lance Lynn, Shelby Miller and Michael Wacha.

I hope someone hurries up and tells them they are doing things the wrong way.

but but theo is the best and whatever he does is right! :fap:

Its one thing to like your front office but my god some of these cubs fans think theo is god like. I cant wait to see their record after the last season in theos contract.


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70 under the past two seasons.

Yep. That's the right way :clap:
 

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Seriously, you must live a sad sad life. All you ever do around here is ***** about how terrible the team is and never add any insight to the situation.

My insight: Get new owners that are committed to winning instead of solely making money.

Is that enough insight for you?

Also funny how you're the one bitching about personal attacks, and then come in dicks a swinging saying I live a "sad, sad life"

**** you.
 
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but but theo is the best and whatever he does is right! :fap:

Its one thing to like your front office but my god some of these cubs fans think theo is god like. I cant wait to see their record after the last season in theos contract.


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The Cardinals have already had a formula for sustained success in place, something our team is still looking to develop. The Cardinals have never had to build from the ground up. The Braves have in the late 80's, and they've been perhaps the most consistantly successful franchise ver since.

Really, it seems as if White Sox fans are more obsessed with Theo than Cubs fans are. If there weren't any Boston connections in our front office, no one would be saying a word. But as we know, the Boston sports scene has a flair for the dramatic...(See all the "Boston Strong" ridiculousness)
 
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My insight: Get new owners that are committed to winning instead of solely making money.

Is that enough insight for you?

Also funny how you're the one bitching about personal attacks, and then come in dicks a swinging saying I live a "sad, sad life"

**** you.

Well, Ricketts had come out and said the organization indeed has financial flexibility to sign free agents. But, apparently the actual baseball people didn't see a big-name free agent that fit our current situation, assuming Jason Hammel and Jose Veras aren't big enough names for you.

Your F-bomb suggests I struck a nerve. That was rather easy. LOL
 

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Well, Ricketts had come out and said the organization indeed has financial flexibility to sign free agents. But, apparently the actual baseball people didn't see a big-name free agent that fit our current situation, assuming Jason Hammel and Jose Veras aren't big enough names for you.

Your F-bomb suggests I struck a nerve. That was rather easy. LOL
You didn't strike a nerve.

What's pathetic is you think Jose Veras is a big name. Color me impressed :clap:
 

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Seriously, you must live a sad sad life. All you ever do around here is ***** about how terrible the team is and never add any insight to the situation.

Like the above great insight?

The Cardinals have already had a formula for sustained success in place, something our team is still looking to develop. The Cardinals have never had to build from the ground up.

The Cardinals have never had to build from the ground up? That is amazing that they hit the ground winning and have never stopped.

Their formula for sustained success is making every possible effort to field the best major league team possibly each and every season. What a novel concept huh?

Prior to the 2000 season that was used as the starting point in their draft pick analysis, the Cardinals had only made the playoffs 4 times since 1968. Is that the sustained success you are talking about? Hell the Cubs had made the playoffs three times between 1968 and 2000, so they must have had sustained success also.




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The Braves have in the late 80's, and they've been perhaps the most consistantly successful franchise ver since.

Actually it was the early 90's. The Braves spent the late 80's being a last place team.

And prior to the early 90's they had made the playoffs twice and not won a playoff game between 1959 and 1990

But Theo is somehow going to wave his magic wand and build a sustained successful major league franchise for decades to come in just a few years?

Glad to see we are being realistic.



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But as we know, the Boston sports scene has a flair for the dramatic...(See all the "Boston Strong" ridiculousness)

The Boston Strong ridiculousness???

Where does that rank with NYC and their 9/11 ridiculousness?

How about Oklahoma City and their Federal Building ridiculousness?

But, apparently the actual baseball people didn't see a big-name free agent that fit our current situation, assuming Jason Hammel and Jose Veras aren't big enough names for you.

Jason Hammel and Jose Veras big names??? LOL!!!!

If not for your Boston Strong idiotic comment, this would have taken the cake for the dumbest statement made in quite sometime.

Who has said he's anything even remotely close to god like?

Have you been paying attention at all to most of the posters who don't think he has done anything wrong and every move made so far has been a great move and demand that anyone using facts, logic and intelligence when pointing out all the mistakes that have been made are trolls and should be banned?
 

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Have you been paying attention at all to most of the posters who don't think he has done anything wrong and every move made so far has been a great move and demand that anyone using facts, logic and intelligence when pointing out all the mistakes that have been made are trolls and should be banned?

Apparently they're only in your head because I've seen plenty of people who have pointed out mistakes he's made.
 

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My insight: Get new owners that are committed to winning instead of solely making money.

Is that enough insight for you?

Also funny how you're the one bitching about personal attacks, and then come in dicks a swinging saying I live a "sad, sad life"

**** you.

I like when Fisch gets fiery! Thats the longest post I have seen him post in months!

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1 Group: Theo isn't a God, stop worshiping him.
Other Group: I like the course we're going on, stop bashing him.
 

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1 Group: Theo isn't a God, stop worshiping him.
Other Group: I like the course we're going on, stop bashing him.



Same group? It's all about the years it will take. Some have a limitless amount of patience and years and some don't.
 

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Same group? It's all about the years it will take. Some have a limitless amount of patience and years and some don't.

I see one person bashing for the sake of bashing, a couple instigating the basher , and most being realistic and just trying to talk baseball

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