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insight? He doesnt need "insight". The problems are quite obvious. Sent from my Rotary Phone using Tapatalk
insight? He doesnt need "insight". The problems are quite obvious. Sent from my Rotary Phone using Tapatalk
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First off. Your "boston strong" comment is just flat out stupid and wrong. You are probably 1) Just an ignorant dope. 2) You work for B&B.
Again it has nothing to do with white sox fans. You constantly bring up the sox when we are strictly talking about the cubs.
Theres a handful of critical cub fans with regards to theo and the team in general...theres a larger group of backers...all on radio all on social media. The world is filled with sheep like yourself everywhere I look.
Its ok to not bring up the white sox.
Its ok to be critical of your team.
cheers!
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I wouldn't call it limitless patience. I would say, at least in my case, that I knew going in that this wasn't a 2 year rebuild. They were a 71 win team when he was hired IIRC and a 75 the year prior to that. They had a giant payroll of players who weren't good enough to win. To make that sort of team work you would have needed another giant chunk of money or to have prospects who've worked out. In the first case, they didn't have the money. Whether that's just or not it's the reality. In the second case, their best players didn't pan out least thus far in the case of Vitters and Jackson.
What I see in the current front office is the attempt to win over a long period rather than 2-3 years of a decent team followed by a similar or longer period of losing. This is the so called "waves" of talent they talk about. I believe they intend to stockpile as much talent in the minors until they have enough of a "core" to build around. What constitutes that "core" is debatable. But, if they are right about when to go for it they will in all likelihood have a lot of talent they can draw from their farm system for the years they intend to compete. The ideal situation is that in the time they have a good core group that they will have the next set of good young players coming up in the minors.
That's my view on the situation. I believe they need more than Castro and Rizzo before they can make impact FA signings that actually matter. There no guarantee that prospects turn into impact talent however there are reasons players are drafted high. And even if it's only say 5% more chance a top 5 pick pans out than a top 15 it's a better chance. Some of the prospects wont pan out but it's a numbers game. The more you have that can be impact player the better the chance. The last time the cubs farm system was this good was 2001-2002 in which the players they had lead them to most of the success this decade. If there is a failing of building via the farm it's the fact that there wasn't a second wave after the Prior's and Zambrano's of that system.
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You can't say something is the right way to rebuild until something is actually rebuilt.
Theo inherited a dumpster fire and now it is a large barrel fire.
Hardly something to celebrate or breakdown.
Theo inherited a dumpster fire and now it is a large barrel fire.
Hardly something to celebrate or breakdown.
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Didn't see you bash your team late last year when you lost 99. Hypocrisy at its finest.
The whole "Boston Strong" slogan had little to do with the marathon incident. It's just a ridiculous pub stunt, something Boston is famous for (at least from my experience with their fan base). All of three people were killed, does not compare with 9/11 or OKC. Yet, when one of our country's own goes off and shoots 20 little kids in Connecticut during the same era and time, it's not quite as big a news story. More hypocrisy at its finest.
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Perhaps living on social media is your problem. Can't believe anyone takes that shit seriously.
The majority of Cubs fans I've seen on message boards the last two years have been critical of Theo as opposed to straight praise, and it really hasn't been close. I am going to continue to use the White Sox as a topic of discussion as long as you continue to troll the Cubs forum with a White Sox logo next to your profile. Until then, I'm going to continue to support my team regardless of whether or not I agree with the whatever move they make. Deal with it.
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I love how Pat thinks he's the moral police now. That's a laugh.
I referenced the late 80's because that was Atlanta's low water mark as when they had to build from the ground up. Theo's not a miracle-worker. We get that and have acknowledged it 10,000 times. But, he has the background and knows baseball better than most. If the Braves can build from the ground up and build a formula for sustained success, then why can't we?
Houston's GM comes from the same sabermetric background as Theo does, yet he doesn't receive nearly the same criticism from his own team's fans as does Theo. I can't imagine why that could be (overzealousy of Boston and Chicago fan bases).
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Wow, just wow.
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Apologies to anyone who I may offended with the incident. Just thought Red Sox Nation took it a little too far, that's all.
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youre an idiot. Last time I checked fans of either side can discuss opposing teams. Just because im a sox fan doesnt mean im trolling. You may not know the meaning of trolling so I forgive you for your stupidity. If you want me to troll il gladly show you how its done. ok? great.
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I suggest you actually go into the sox forum. We ripped all season long all aspects of the franchise. Way to be a strawman.
your boston strong comments are a joke. it shows how really stupid and moronic you really are. please for the sanity of other users please forget your password for us you uneducated ****.
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As a Cub fan, I understand the route Theo has taken. But right now its at the point that his FA signings are a damn embarrassment. This team is going to be putrid this year. The odds the highly regarded prospect reach the majors this year are slim. Theo has fallen in love with his work. He isnt gonna start their arb clocks one day earlier then he see's fit only because he is banking his ego and reputation on a bunch of players he was gifted (Baez) or drafted. Theo's ego is on the line. He made it a case to put Cub fans into the shitter for a few years without doing anything for the big club outside of paying a huge amount of money for a journeyman pitcher and a bunch of low cost, potentially high reward types. He is rolling dice with the big club but is mother henning his work wasting away in the minors.
The Cubs are fucked right now. This is what you get when you throw out the bath water but keep accumulating a bunch of babies. Theo better know what he is doing because right now, in whatever year into the rebuild this is, I lost count after all the losing, he better know that just telling players they need to dominate the minors level by level instead of bringing these kids up when they are ready to help a fucking MLB team he is losing more and more of his fanbase who have grown sick and tired of waiting. I know I am sick of this shit already. Sure, trade Shark for a bunch of prospects and push the window back further. It doesn't make any sense any more.
Crumpet?
The Cubs are fucked right now. This is what you get when you throw out the bath water but keep accumulating a bunch of babies. Theo better know what he is doing because right now, in whatever year into the rebuild this is, I lost count after all the losing, he better know that just telling players they need to dominate the minors level by level instead of bringing these kids up when they are ready to help a fucking MLB team he is losing more and more of his fanbase who have grown sick and tired of waiting. I know I am sick of this shit already. Sure, trade Shark for a bunch of prospects and push the window back further. It doesn't make any sense any more.
Crumpet?
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he was on the radio today basically telling fans to wait because they are going to have something special...lol
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Well, here is some news on a lesser note. Ted Lilly has joined the Cubs FO.
I'll be damned. Someone coming back to the Cubs from the Jim Hendry ERA and not from Boston nor San Diego. Looks like things are changing in Chicago. :buttrock:
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Part of the issue that some fans are seeing is that with what happened last year with trading Feldman, Soriano and Garza, is that the Cubs didn't have any immediate replacements waiting in AAA -- those guys like CJ Edwards, Soler, Almora and Vizciano, to name a few, were still far away from debuting at Wrigley. Instead of having guys who would be long-term solutions, they utilized stop-gaps. As a fan, it's frustrating. The only guy introduced last year who could potentially be somebody sticking around is Junior Lake. I liked him a lot more in left, especially considering his limited time as an outfielder. I'm still not sure what his offensive ceiling might be, but he has the athleticism and chops to be a guy that steals 20ish bases and plays adequate defense.
The other elephant in the room is a lot of the details are coming about the Ricketts' family finances and the way they chose to go about buying the Cubs and it's apparent that they're not willing to give Epstein and Hoyer much financial help, at least until the Wrigley situation becomes clearer. Like it or not, I think the front office is financially hamstrung. Whether it's the case or not, I've voiced my opinion on the CCS podcast numerous times, as well as on here, that I felt like they could've made a few more moves that filled some sizable gaps on the team without blocking a prospect who's "close". The moves were minimal in the offseason and the only two even worth noting were adding Bonifacio and Veras. I liked both of them. Both low risk, but certainly not saving grace moves as far as personnel goes. Bonifacio's speed could give Renteria options as he tries to juggle lineups and find combinations that work.
Regardless of how fans choose to voice their displeasure, it's going to be more of the same this year -- waiting it out (I really hope Olt and Vitters get chances on Opening Day. It's sink or swim for both of them. Ditto for Brett Jackson, if he even gets a chance.) The starting pitching still petrifies me and even if our bullpen is improved, I can see multiple scenarios where they become overworked because the starters can't get deep into games. If that happens in August or September, that's fine -- it's the nature of baseball. But James Russell looked dead towards the end of last year, and there should be enough swing arms and spot-starters to help limp through the first six weeks or so. Again, it'll be another long season. But that's why I renewed my MiLB.TV package. That's where the real action for Cubs fans will be anyway :lol:
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After seeing Baez hit a homer and make an over the shoulder catch, "I just filled the cup!"
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I wouldn't say Baez making it up this year is a slim chance at all...
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I dont think were gonna see much of vitters , he may end up traded to be given an opportunity to catch non with another team ..
Mike olt to me just may be the pleasant surprise of the year.
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Mike olt to me just may be the pleasant surprise of the year.
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