The Cubs Hot Stove Action Thread

[chibears55]

According to Heyman on CBS and twitter, Axford's final teams are Orioles, Cubs, and Mariners.

My bet is not the cubs. Too cheap.

all money/years being equal my bet is mariners first , because of the 3 teams their the best and have a greater chance at post season, then the orioles, then cubs..

 

[beckdawg]

all money/years being equal my bet is mariners first , because of the 3 teams their the best and have a greater chance at post season, then the orioles, then cubs..

Not sure I'd agree with that. Texas, LAA(if hamilton/pujols rebound), and Oakland are all good teams and they won 71 games last year. Cano is good but he's not +15 win good. I'd say the O's are the eam.

 

[chibears55]

Not sure I'd agree with that. Texas, LAA(if hamilton/pujols rebound), and Oakland are all good teams and they won 71 games last year. Cano is good but he's not +15 win good. I'd say the O's are the eam.

you could be right too, I just think the Orioles had players with career years and dont really have a whole lot going for them compared to Mariners

 

[beckdawg]

How would you guys feel about Roy Halladay? At this point, I think it's a pretty high chance Shark is dealt which would point to them needing another starter or two. I realize how bad a year he had last year and 2012 wasn't spectacular either(though his 3.60 xFIP isn't too bad). Looking at his numbers last year, it appears as though for whatever reason he lost his spectacular control(5.23 BB/9 for someone who's career is around 2). The computer projections on him aren't too bad.

Streamer has this line
12-11 32 starts 182.0 IP 7.23 k/9 2.86 BB/9 0.86 HR/9 .300 BABIP 70.5 % LOB% 3.89 ERA 3.77 FIP 2.8 WAR

Oliver has this line
10-8 28 starts 164.0 IP 7.29 k/9 2.69 BB/9 1.04 HR/9 .304 BABIP 72.8 % LOB 3.84 ERA 3.99 FIP 2.0 WAR

If you get him to sign in the 6-8 mil range I think he has interesting value. He's only 2 seasons away from a 8.1 WAR season. He's certainly closer to his peak than Johan Santana who's been getting some interest from people. But even if he's only a 2-3 WAR pitcher he would be a good value at $6-8 mil and would even have trade value at the deadline if the cubs are out of contention.

 

[brett05]

How would you guys feel about Roy Halladay? At this point, I think it's a pretty high chance Shark is dealt which would point to them needing another starter or two. I realize how bad a year he had last year and 2012 wasn't spectacular either(though his 3.60 xFIP isn't too bad). Looking at his numbers last year, it appears as though for whatever reason he lost his spectacular control(5.23 BB/9 for someone who's career is around 2). The computer projections on him aren't too bad.

Streamer has this line
12-11 32 starts 182.0 IP 7.23 k/9 2.86 BB/9 0.86 HR/9 .300 BABIP 70.5 % LOB% 3.89 ERA 3.77 FIP 2.8 WAR

Oliver has this line
10-8 28 starts 164.0 IP 7.29 k/9 2.69 BB/9 1.04 HR/9 .304 BABIP 72.8 % LOB 3.84 ERA 3.99 FIP 2.0 WAR

If you get him to sign in the 6-8 mil range I think he has interesting value. He's only 2 seasons away from a 8.1 WAR season. He's certainly closer to his peak than Johan Santana who's been getting some interest from people. But even if he's only a 2-3 WAR pitcher he would be a good value at $6-8 mil and would even have trade value at the deadline if the cubs are out of contention.

If Feldman is 10 Nolassco is 13 Roy has to be more unless its a good team

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[beckdawg]

If Feldman is 10 Nolassco is 13 Roy has to be more unless its a good team

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Both are coming off good years and are considerably younger. For example, Roy Oswalt who's a similarly accomplished pitcher as Halladay earned around $4 mil this year. I don't know for a fact he will be in that range but I think in that range he's good signing. At $10 mil+ I think it's a bad idea.

 

[brett05]

Both are coming off good years and are considerably younger. For example, Roy Oswalt who's a similarly accomplished pitcher as Halladay earned around $4 mil this year. I don't know for a fact he will be in that range but I think in that range he's good signing. At $10 mil+ I think it's a bad idea.

I would say the chances are nil hes a Cub

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[beckdawg]

I would say the chances are nil hes a Cub

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Think it really depends on what teams actually want him. If the cubs give him a chance to pitch and he knows even if they are loser they will deal him to a winner if he pitches well why wouldn't he consider the cubs? Now sure if the yankees approach him he'd probably want to go to a winner over the cubs but who knows if that is an option.

All I'm saying is if the cubs can get him at $6-8 mil for next year I think he's worth going after.

 

[brett05]

Think it really depends on what teams actually want him. If the cubs give him a chance to pitch and he knows even if they are loser they will deal him to a winner if he pitches well why wouldn't he consider the cubs? Now sure if the yankees approach him he'd probably want to go to a winner over the cubs but who knows if that is an option.

All I'm saying is if the cubs can get him at $6-8 mil for next year I think he's worth going after.

Thats like saying if choo plays for $5 mil you're interested. There is no need for a potential playoff team not to take him for money and save the prospects

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[beckdawg]

Thats like saying if choo plays for $5 mil you're interested. There is no need for a potential playoff team not to take him for money and save the prospects

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I just provided you with an example of a pitcher Halladay's age getting a similar salary.... I don't get why you're being so combative about this. He'll be 37 in may and is coming off a season where he was not only hurt but had a 6.82 ERA. Josh Johnson will be 30 in january had an era of 6.20 and got $8 mil. You really think some teams going to drop $15 mil on him?

 

[chibears55]

How would you guys feel about Roy Halladay?

its a good option for a possible flip... I think tanaka if posted will be their main and only SP signing if they get him.. If not they could possibly look at halladay as an option.

 

[brett05]

I just provided you with an example of a pitcher Halladay's age getting a similar salary.... I don't get why you're being so combative about this. He'll be 37 in may and is coming off a season where he was not only hurt but had a 6.82 ERA. Josh Johnson will be 30 in january had an era of 6.20 and got $8 mil. You really think some teams going to drop $15 mil on him?

Your example showed my point not yours. Oswalt took less for a contender and was three years out from being an everyday healthy starter.

Halladay also is a better pitcher than Oswalt in basically all facets. Could he get $15 for ine year? I dunno. But you think for 6-8 million he chooses the Cubs over like 10-20 other teams that would like him at that price?

Ill stop putting reality into my replies to you when you start putting them in on your posts

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[beckdawg]

Your example showed my point not yours. Oswalt took less for a contender and was three years out from being an everyday healthy starter.

Halladay also is a better pitcher than Oswalt in basically all facets. Could he get $15 for ine year? I dunno. But you think for 6-8 million he chooses the Cubs over like 10-20 other teams that would like him at that price?

Ill stop putting reality into my replies to you when you start putting them in on your posts

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A colorado team that won 64 games in 2012 is a contender? That's "reality?"

 

[patg006]

I would say the chances are nil hes a Cub

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I wouldn't say 'nil,' I'd say 'unrealistic' because the cubs wont spend money. Its all about the farm.

I'd love Halladay to be a cub. Got a Blue Jays jersey of his, autographed when I went to a White Sox game some years back and sat near the away bullpen. I'd definitely get the cubs one, shouldn't have a problem getting it signed with all the excellent attendance expected.

Plus he could hopefully show Samarzdija how to locate the cutter and make it elite.

It wont cost 6-8, try 10 with incentives, may have to up it.

 

[brett05]

A colorado team that won 64 games in 2012 is a contender? That's "reality?"

I seriously have to stop correcting your error after my bedtime.

 

[brett05]

OK, Oswalt had just come off of two injured seasons and was seriously contemplating retirement for several years. In fact the Rockies didn't sign Roy until May and he didn't pitch for 6 more weeks. Not the same as Roy. Sorry, the line of suitors for Halladay would be out the door at 6-8 million. I think patg006 is closer of $10 plus incentives. And even at that price I think the Cubs are way, way down the list.

 

[theberserkfury]

Well, the Halladay talk is moot... he's retiring.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24369932/roy-halladay-to-retire-as-a-blue-jay

 

[beckdawg]

Cubs Interested In Storen, Clippard
By Steve Adams [December 9 at 4:00pm CST]
The Cubs are looking to the trade market in their search for relievers and have eyed both Tyler Clippard and Drew Storen of the Nationals, among others, according to Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times (on Twitter).

Clippard, 28, is controlled through the 2015 season and has a 2.73 ERA with 10.3 K/9 and 3.6 BB/9 over the past five seasons. Storen, 26, may have fallen out of favor to an extent with the Nats in 2013 following a career-worst 4.52 ERA and a brief demotion to the minors. The former No. 10 overall pick owns a career 3.40 ERA with 8.4 K/9 and 2.8 BB/9 since being promoted in 2010, however.

Nats want left handed reliever. Not sure what else the cubs would have to offer.

 

[beckdawg]

Gordon Wittenmyer
‏@GDubCub
Cubs getting asked about Starlin's availability. But not in play. Jed: "We're excited to have Starlin"

Didn't really see it happening unless some team gave up a ridiculous amount.

 

[beckdawg]

Jesse Rogers
@ESPNChiCubs
Hoyer not ruling out trading a major prospect: “If it did make sense for the future we’d certainly consider it.”

Not sure this is an indication of things to come.