The DEFINITION of QB Development

[Bear_Assed]

 

[Matt2012]

Huh. Isn't he supposed to be a bust that isn't showing any improvement whatsoever? :thinking:

 

[msadows]

Huh. Isn't he supposed to be a bust that isn't showing any improvement whatsoever? :thinking:

No, thats watson. Downward spiral

 

[remydat]

A bit misleading given last 4 ridiculously inflated by a 6 TD game.

I would rather he look consistently good in those 4 games rather than play poorly in 3 out of 4.

In any event, let's see how he builds on this.

 

[Wildest5]

A bit misleading given last 13 ridiculously inflated by a 6 TD game.

I would rather he look consistently good in those 4 games rather than play poorly in 3 out of 4.

In any event, let's see how he builds on this.

He got it from Twitter. If you take out all the touchdowns from Trubiskys last game he is still showing an 84 rating. So he’s still improving.

 

[Bearly]

No, thats watson. Downward spiral

Not really.

 

[Bearly]

He got it from Twitter. If you take out all the touchdowns from Trubiskys last game he is still showing an 84 rating. So he’s still improving.

Of course he is. Some just like to be contrarian.

 

[Bearly]

He got it from Twitter. If you take out all the touchdowns from Trubiskys last game he is still showing an 84 rating. So he’s still improving.

Of course he is. Some just like to be contrarian. You also don't get to add or throwout games. There was probably a weak opponent in most of those 4 game mixes. 101 is somewhat inflated but you want him to end up about there to become what we hoped he would.

 

[remydat]

He got it from Twitter. If you take out all the touchdowns from Trubiskys last game he is still showing an 84 rating. So he’s still improving.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/3039707/mitchell-trubisky

He had a 77.2, 83, 73.5 in the first 3 games. The point is the last game obviously inflated his stats and gives the indication of a vast improvement when in fact it was just one ridiculously amazing game and 3 mediocre to bad games.

Just like if he hit a 95 in rating over the next 4 games, are we going to seriously then argue he regressed even if he consistently was above 90 in all 4 games? Of course not because that would represent greater consistency even though it is less than the 101.6.

So the point still stands, it is a very misleading statistic even if it is true. Let's see if last team really starts a trend or whether it was just a blip 0n the radar.

 

[remydat]

Of course he is. Some just like to be contrarian. You also don't get to add or throwout games. There was probably a weak opponent in most of those 4 game mixes. 101 is probably somewhat inflated but you want him to end up about there to become what we hoped he would.

It is not about throwing out the games. It is about the volatility in the numbers. 3 mediocre to bad games followed by 1 exceptional game is not really overall improvement. Again he had a 77.2, 83 73.5, 154.6. Keep the last game but let's be honest in the discussion and recognize the last game right now looks like an anomaly or outlier. It is not statistically meaningful until he can replicate it somehow.

If he had 97, 104, 97 and 107, that would be more indicative of overall improvement even if it averages out to a lower QB rating. Improvement is measured over several games not having one ridiculously amazing game and then 3 duds.

 

[WindyCity]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/3039707/mitchell-trubisky

He had a 77.2, 83, 73.5 in the first 3 games. The point is the last game obviously inflated his stats and gives the indication of a vast improvement when in fact it was just one ridiculously amazing game and 3 mediocre to bad games.

Just like if he hit a 95 in rating over the next 4 games, are we going to seriously then argue he regressed even if he consistently was above 90 in all 4 games? Of course not because that would represent greater consistency even though it is less than the 101.6.

So the point still stands, it is a very misleading statistic even if it is true. Let's see if last team really starts a trend or whether it was just a blip 0n the radar.

If you are looking at just rating then 77, 83, and 74 are not bad games. Mediocre/average yes, but they are not bad.

By not having bad games he put himself in the position to have an exceptional game boost his rating.

But in the end his rating is his rating. I do not see too many people putting context to the ratings of guys that were used to compare and bash Mitch 2 weeks ago.

 

[WindyCity]

It is not about throwing out the games. It is about the volatility in the numbers. 3 mediocre to bad games followed by 1 exceptional game is not really overall improvement. Again he had a 77.2, 83 73.5, 154.6. Keep the last game but let's be honest in the discussion and recognize the last game right now looks like an anomaly or outlier. It is not statistically meaningful until he can replicate it somehow.

If he had 97, 104, 97 and 107, that would be more indicative of overall improvement even if it averages out to a lower QB rating. Improvement is measured over several games not having one ridiculously amazing game and then 3 duds.

This is what we have been saying when people were getting so upset over 3 games that the sample size was too small. It is still too small going in the positive direction.

While a 154 is a bit of an outlier for Mitch he does have 3 games with an over 100 rating and another at 97 in his career.

 

[remydat]

If you are looking at just rating then 77, 83, and 74 are not bad games. Mediocre/average yes, but they are not bad.

By not having bad games he put himself in the position to have an exceptional game boost his rating.

But in the end his rating is his rating. I do not see too many people putting context to the ratings of guys that were used to compare and bash Mitch 2 weeks ago.

No they are bad ratings as they are below the league average. Also below Cutler's average for his career. And not sure what you are referring to with the last point. What guys are you referring too and did they have just one awesome game or were they consistently good?

This is what we have been saying when people were getting so upset over 3 games that the sample size was too small. It is still too small going in the positive direction.

While a 154 is a bit of an outlier for Mitch he does have 3 games with an over 100 rating and another at 97 in his career.

And you were right then as I am right now so not sure your point. I have never suggested any of his shitty games this year was indicative of him sucking for all time so perhaps you should go have that conversation with someone who did.

 

[modo]

Bears fans are famous for self loathing and hating their QBs....hard to blame them with what we've had.

But, if fans just sit down for a minute and really look at what Trubisky is doing and how he is getting better, even they would be optimistic....

 

[Monster]

Miami and NE next... very curious to see where they go from here.

 

[Myk]

A bit misleading given last 4 ridiculously inflated by a 6 TD game.

I would rather he look consistently good in those 4 games rather than play poorly in 3 out of 4.

In any event, let's see how he builds on this.

As shown above still good without 6TDs.

With a 6TD game he's in some pretty special company. Back to the 80's. Maybe just one game but odds say it shouldn't be ignored. If it happens in more than one game odds are he's in the running for GOAT talk. Your negative nancy BS just isn't likely to happen.

Peyton Manning 7
Drew Brees 7
Nick Foles 7
Dan Marino+ 6
Roethlisberger 6
Eli Manning 6
Tom Brady 6
Mark Rypien 6
Joe Montana+ 6
Peyton Manning 6
Matt Flynn 6
Steve Young+ 6
Aaron Rodgers 6
Mitch Trubisky 6
Dan Fouts+ 6
Carson Palmer 6
Fitzpatrick 6
Roethlisberger 6
Jim Kelly+ 6
Tom Brady 6
Tom Brady 6
Brett Favre+ 6
Peyton Manning 6
Tommy Kramer 6
Patrick Mahomes 6
Aaron Rodgers 6
Drew Brees 6

 

[Kazu2324]

The person who did this on twitter also did a version where he removed the 6TDs vs. the Bucs. Kept all the other stats for that day minus the TDs. Still showing improvement.

 

[me654]

Bears fans are famous for self loathing and hating their QBs....hard to blame them with what we've had.

But, if fans just sit down for a minute and really look at what Trubisky is doing and how he is getting better, even they would be optimistic....

more like what the organization has done to the position rather than what they have had. looking back you can hardly put the issues on all 30-40 Qbs the team has destroyed over the years. in hind sight the issue was the teams lack of hiring aggressively at the GM/coaching positions. they always wanted yes men/ retread coaches taking advantage of fans loyalty.

 

[beantacos]

I've been saying this since Sunday, if you remove all of Mitch's TDs he looks like a garbage QB. Anyone can see it.

 

[Myk]

more like what the organization has done to the position rather than what they have had. looking back you can hardly put the issues on all 30-40 Qbs the team has destroyed over the years. in hind sight the issue was the teams lack of hiring aggressively at the GM/coaching positions. they always wanted yes men/ retread coaches taking advantage of fans loyalty.

Actually the issue is only drafting 5 1st round QBs (that's including low 1st round) in almost 70 years and then acting like having a good QB is almost impossible because our low rounders and other team's cast offs don't work out.

Only one of those 1st rounders was a big bust.