The government will have your names gun owners!

[BiscuitintheBasket]

You can still shoot an eye out.



Their is a bill being proposed in the state legislature right now that would make it illegal to release the info.

I discussed this with an attorney friend and he has a different viewpoint. Lisa Madigan is going public with this because she says she has to release this info under a FOIA request as the law is currently written. She is not wanting to have it

released but rather making everyone aware of what is happening. That is certainly different then the apparent news reporting on it and quite frankly, it makes sense to me.



Either way, the law needs to be changed to keep ownership private.

Is she going public or is she proposing that this needs to happen? If she is against it, why not propose a change to the FOIA to state that this information is not to be public rather than proposing that information has to be released.



I understand gauging the public's thoughts on this, but is would cause less of a ruckus the other way....unless there has been tons of back door conversations that have been fruitless and she is trying to force the issue. In that case, kudos.

 

[MassHavoc]

I would like the state to also officially release a list of all individuals who are on prescription drugs. That way we'll know who is using them but aren't supposed to be. I mean prescription drugs are legal, but their is a lot of illegal activity that revolves around their abuse and counterfeiting. So I think it would benefit everyone somehow to know the names of everyone who currently have prescriptions so that it will be easier to control those using illegally obtained prescription drugs.

 

[LordKOTL]

Bullshit bill, and well said Jax. The best catch-22 on that is if Oregon ever decided to do something like this, A criminal would see I don't own a firearm...

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but it doesn't say anything about bladed weapons, which I do have in abundance, which kill you just the same as any firearm, and which I am not afraid to use.

 

[jaxhawksfan]

This has been around awhile, and even if it is fake, still a great idea.



Neighborly Duty

 

[the canadian dream]

They already have all of your names.



What's the big deal?

 

[MassHavoc]

They already have all of your names.



What's the big deal?

Which part of public didn't you read?

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

Which part of public didn't you read?

Remember he is from Can-na-duh and this board is in American so things will easily be lost in translation.

 

[MassHavoc]

Remember he is from Can-na-duh and this board is in American so things will easily be lost in translation.

Good point, sorry TCD, next time I'll type slower.

 

[BigPete]

The government already knows I own guns, and what kind. While it is true that publishing that info will give criminals (the ones who can read) an address list to hit for stolen guns, there is also another thing it does:



Shows the households who do not own guns. Think about that one and tell me which house you would rather break into.

Right. And now I want to go out and get two or three more, in case someone stops by uninvited

 

[the canadian dream]

Which part of public didn't you read?

Sorry I didn't see the "l"

 

[Tater]

This has been around awhile, and even if it is fake, still a great idea.



Neighborly Duty

Classic!

 

[TSD]

The government already knows I own guns, and what kind. While it is true that publishing that info will give criminals (the ones who can read) an address list to hit for stolen guns, there is also another thing it does:



Shows the households who do not own guns. Think about that one and tell me which house you would rather break into.

I still think the bigger worry is the burglary of the guns themselves. i think most home robbers, at least attempt to burglarize homes when the owners are not home, I think most would rather not risk the outcome whatever it may be, of burglarizing a home with people present.





My buddies dad was former army and a retired Stateville guard. he had alot of guns, their house got robbed when they were on vacation, and they took every gun he had. He had one gun in a safe they pryed open in his bedroom, and the rest were in the attic. they said it was creepy as the only other thing taken was his moms jewelery case. it was almost like they knew where the guns were. Good thing they reported it ( not that you wouldnt report a robbery). A year later one of the guns was used in a murder in chicago.

 

[jaxhawksfan]

I still think the bigger worry is the burglary of the guns themselves. i think most home robbers, at least attempt to burglarize homes when the owners are not home, I think most would rather not risk the outcome whatever it may be, of burglarizing a home with people present.





My buddies dad was former army and a retired Stateville guard. he had alot of guns, their house got robbed when they were on vacation, and they took every gun he had. He had one gun in a safe they pryed open in his bedroom, and the rest were in the attic. they said it was creepy as the only other thing taken was his moms jewelery case. it was almost like they knew where the guns were. Good thing they reported it ( not that you wouldnt report a robbery). A year later one of the guns was used in a murder in chicago.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but like in your story, a large percentage of gun owners who have an "arsenal" like I do keep it locked in a good quality safe (which can't just be pryed open). Hell, I know people who have concrete rooms with steel doors in their basements to store that kind of stuff. That doesn't affect the numbers of people who own 1 gun and keep it out and handy for protection though, you are right.

 

[jaxhawksfan]

I wanted to revive this thread instead of starting a new topic on guns. I almost shot a man in Tampa this past Saturday. It would have been hell on my conscience had it actually happened. Here is the story:



First, you need to know that when I put my car in park, the doors unlock automatically. I have no idea why the manufacturer thought this was a good feature. In any case, that's what it does.



So, I was driving to a concert in Tampa this past Saturday and stopped into Burger King's parking lot to use the wi-fi to check some things on my computer. I pull up into a space under the lights, and a couple spaces over from a truck. As I am reaching into my back seat to get my computer out of the case I see a guy walk up to my car and start to open my door. IMMEDIATE HEART POUNDING! I grab my gun from the console and yell "you have the wrong car buddy." He proceeds to put his leg down in the passenger floor and I tell him to "get the **** out of my car!". I have the pistol in my hand at this point, but it is still concealed by the sides of the console. The guy looks down and says "I thought you were my buddy, man" to which I reply "you have exactly one second to get the **** out of my car." The guy says "don't shoot me man, I'm just here looking for some girls" as he steps back out of the car. He is still standing there with my door open looking down into my car. I yell at him one last time "close my fucking door!" to which he finally does. He then goes over, uses his phone and gets back into his truck a couple spaces away and drives away. HEART STILL POUNDING!



1. I have been in some pretty bad neighborhoods all over this fine country of ours, but for whatever reason I always feel uneasy in Tampa and surrounding areas even though I grew up there.

2. If this was really someone trying to carjack me or worse, I don't know if I could have gotten my pistol quick enough. (It was as if this guy was in slow motion......or maybe that was just my mind slowing it down for me)

3. I don't know if the guy was drunk, or if he was just waiting for someone to pick him up and he wasn't sure what kind of car the guy drove.

4. Like I said, I don't know if my conscience would have allowed me to live a "normal" life after shooting someone based upon reaction/fear.

5. It may not be a crime to be a moron, but it sure could get you killed.



I guess I posted this to say that even though I am armed, and a self-professed "gun nut" who has a permit to carry, I still see other sides of arguments. I have been in 3 situations in my life now where I could have taken someone's life and been justified under the law, but careful thought and somewhat calm decision making prevented anyone from being shot. That is why I wouldn't ever want to encounter people with guns who have never had any training, and never practice for surprise situations. Part of responsible gun ownership in my opinion, as well as deciding to get a permit to carry means that you train, train, train for unexpected situations and that the majority of that training is keeping your eyes and ears open to your surroundings. This guy surprised me and this whole thing went down in a matter of 15 seconds at the most. I let my guard down and I shouldn't have.

 

[the canadian dream]

Thats cause you have a conscience Jax. I have no issues with a conscience mind carrying a gun..it's those without that scare the shit out of me.



Crazy story. And I agree 100% training and respect for the weapon is the key. Adrenaline can be a nasty thing sometimes can't it?



I don't carry a gun. I do carry knives with me and it's the same attitude when it comes to guns when you boil it down. I never flash a knife out in public (although i have them at my hip at all time..and the clip is noticeable if one knows what a knife clip looks like), I don't allow it to make me feel bigger than I am (its for security and for functioning as a tool only). And this is coming from a guy who lives in a pretty safe city where one shouldn't even feel the need to carry a knife. But I do and I feel safer with it..cause you just never know. So I can certainly see why those who live or visit rougher cities or neighborhoods would feel the need to have a gun around.

 

[supraman]

I wanted to revive this thread instead of starting a new topic on guns. I almost shot a man in Tampa this past Saturday. It would have been hell on my conscience had it actually happened. Here is the story:



First, you need to know that when I put my car in park, the doors unlock automatically. I have no idea why the manufacturer thought this was a good feature. In any case, that's what it does.



So, I was driving to a concert in Tampa this past Saturday and stopped into Burger King's parking lot to use the wi-fi to check some things on my computer. I pull up into a space under the lights, and a couple spaces over from a truck. As I am reaching into my back seat to get my computer out of the case I see a guy walk up to my car and start to open my door. IMMEDIATE HEART POUNDING! I grab my gun from the console and yell "you have the wrong car buddy." He proceeds to put his leg down in the passenger floor and I tell him to "get the **** out of my car!". I have the pistol in my hand at this point, but it is still concealed by the sides of the console. The guy looks down and says "I thought you were my buddy, man" to which I reply "you have exactly one second to get the **** out of my car." The guy says "don't shoot me man, I'm just here looking for some girls" as he steps back out of the car. He is still standing there with my door open looking down into my car. I yell at him one last time "close my fucking door!" to which he finally does. He then goes over, uses his phone and gets back into his truck a couple spaces away and drives away. HEART STILL POUNDING!



1. I have been in some pretty bad neighborhoods all over this fine country of ours, but for whatever reason I always feel uneasy in Tampa and surrounding areas even though I grew up there.

2. If this was really someone trying to carjack me or worse, I don't know if I could have gotten my pistol quick enough. (It was as if this guy was in slow motion......or maybe that was just my mind slowing it down for me)

3. I don't know if the guy was drunk, or if he was just waiting for someone to pick him up and he wasn't sure what kind of car the guy drove.

4. Like I said, I don't know if my conscience would have allowed me to live a "normal" life after shooting someone based upon reaction/fear.

5. It may not be a crime to be a moron, but it sure could get you killed.



I guess I posted this to say that even though I am armed, and a self-professed "gun nut" who has a permit to carry, I still see other sides of arguments. I have been in 3 situations in my life now where I could have taken someone's life and been justified under the law, but careful thought and somewhat calm decision making prevented anyone from being shot. That is why I wouldn't ever want to encounter people with guns who have never had any training, and never practice for surprise situations. Part of responsible gun ownership in my opinion, as well as deciding to get a permit to carry means that you train, train, train for unexpected situations and that the majority of that training is keeping your eyes and ears open to your surroundings. This guy surprised me and this whole thing went down in a matter of 15 seconds at the most. I let my guard down and I shouldn't have.

There are some fucking weirdos in Florida. I can vouch for that

 

[TSD]

I wanted to revive this thread instead of starting a new topic on guns. I almost shot a man in Tampa this past Saturday. It would have been hell on my conscience had it actually happened. Here is the story:



First, you need to know that when I put my car in park, the doors unlock automatically. I have no idea why the manufacturer thought this was a good feature. In any case, that's what it does.



So, I was driving to a concert in Tampa this past Saturday and stopped into Burger King's parking lot to use the wi-fi to check some things on my computer. I pull up into a space under the lights, and a couple spaces over from a truck. As I am reaching into my back seat to get my computer out of the case I see a guy walk up to my car and start to open my door. IMMEDIATE HEART POUNDING! I grab my gun from the console and yell "you have the wrong car buddy." He proceeds to put his leg down in the passenger floor and I tell him to "get the **** out of my car!". I have the pistol in my hand at this point, but it is still concealed by the sides of the console. The guy looks down and says "I thought you were my buddy, man" to which I reply "you have exactly one second to get the **** out of my car." The guy says "don't shoot me man, I'm just here looking for some girls" as he steps back out of the car. He is still standing there with my door open looking down into my car. I yell at him one last time "close my fucking door!" to which he finally does. He then goes over, uses his phone and gets back into his truck a couple spaces away and drives away. HEART STILL POUNDING!



1. I have been in some pretty bad neighborhoods all over this fine country of ours, but for whatever reason I always feel uneasy in Tampa and surrounding areas even though I grew up there.

2. If this was really someone trying to carjack me or worse, I don't know if I could have gotten my pistol quick enough. (It was as if this guy was in slow motion......or maybe that was just my mind slowing it down for me)

3. I don't know if the guy was drunk, or if he was just waiting for someone to pick him up and he wasn't sure what kind of car the guy drove.

4. Like I said, I don't know if my conscience would have allowed me to live a "normal" life after shooting someone based upon reaction/fear.

5. It may not be a crime to be a moron, but it sure could get you killed.



I guess I posted this to say that even though I am armed, and a self-professed "gun nut" who has a permit to carry, I still see other sides of arguments. I have been in 3 situations in my life now where I could have taken someone's life and been justified under the law, but careful thought and somewhat calm decision making prevented anyone from being shot. That is why I wouldn't ever want to encounter people with guns who have never had any training, and never practice for surprise situations. Part of responsible gun ownership in my opinion, as well as deciding to get a permit to carry means that you train, train, train for unexpected situations and that the majority of that training is keeping your eyes and ears open to your surroundings. This guy surprised me and this whole thing went down in a matter of 15 seconds at the most. I let my guard down and I shouldn't have.

I pity anyone that does kill someone in self defense. Because it seems in this country no matter what the situation juries idioticly find it impossible to see it that way.



One of my uncles a desert Storm Marine veteran, put 3 guys who jumped him in an attempt to rob him in the hospital. My uncle had to do 3 months in jail for defending himself, because they said he was "excessive". Its one thing when i group of cops beat a guy to death, its another when a private citizen, beats someone to death or close to it, when he or she was attacked. You dont know you arent trained for restraint, you are trained to know when enough is enough, you just fight until the threat is eliminated which to an every day human being is a matter of personal perception.

 

[BigPete]

Glad you are okay Rob!



So, while I am an Army veteran and current gun owner, this is exactly why (in my utopian brain) I wish we could just outlaw guns ALTOGETHER. You could have killed a man who more than likely made a simple mistake. What is also telling is your admission that you probably would not have been able to grab and use your weapon if that had been a full on strong-arm car jacking. Conceal carry, open carry, straight up hill jack gun nuts get this wild wild west image in their mind and ignore the realities of using a handgun in a situation like that. Your chances of doing what has to be done, and doing it well, differ from person to person but in reality are very low across the board.



Do I want someone to take away my right to have a gun? No, but I love the idea of NO ONE having guns. Cops, criminals, citizens, soldiers...imagine...

 

[ytsejam]

Jax,

I am really happy that you are okay and did not have to shoot someone.

Several years ago a coworker of mine at an old job justifiably shot and killed a man that drunkenly and mistakenly entered the wrong house intent on killing his girlfriend

It was hell on him. He was in the right, but it was hard for him to live with.

Glad you are still here and I hope you or any of us are never in a similar situation.

 

[bubbleheadchief]

There are some fucking weirdos in Florida. I can vouch for that

There are weirdos all over.