The NHL's "Angle"

[Ton]

[quote name="Razzberry"]Eh, "definitive proof" is an overstatement. You'd need to prove that you had the measurements correct first. That is: a) the angle of the puck, b) how far the bottom edge of the puck had crossed the line and, most importantly, c) the angle of the overhead camera. Honestly, I don't think that the overhead camera is at nearly as steep an angle as that picture suggests. The demonstration is a good way to show that the puck may have potentially *not* crossed the line, but it's not a properly scaled reenactment of the exact play.[/quote]



May not be the exact representation but it is a valid point that the camera angles given were not "definitive" enough in order to REVERSE the on ice call, which was no goal.



It very well may have been a goal, but the proof was not conclusive enough to overturn an on-ice call IMO.



Espos representation is a bang on assessment of why the camera angles given were not definitive proof that the puck crossed the line.

 

[EspoForever]

[quote name="the canadian dream"]



Probably right Razz. There was plenty of time to review that goal while the play was still going on. And listen to you and your argument!! I don't get it..draw me a picture.



Learned something new aswell I did that has completely nothing to do with the current conversation. Apparently if a penalty were called on either team during the time of the "goal" and before the whistle stopped play that penalty would have still been called. Despite the ruling on the ice being overturned and the clock going back to when the "goal" occurred. Keeps players from taking free liberties. Thanks John Garrett you actually told me something for once.[/quote]



True--I learnt that the time stays off the clock last year when Kaner got called for a highstick. The ref did not see it but it drew blood and the linesman did see it. The next stoppage was a Hawks goal, which ended up not counting and we got the penalty (though I think they stuck Versteeg in the box--must be something about that guy, referencing the Bolland mixup in this year's playoffs).



Anyways, the time stayed off the clock at that time which surprised me. I think it was in our first visit to San Hose Eh last year-fall of 2008.



I see Razz's point on the time they took, but I just could not see how they could use that angle as indisputable evidence to overturn a call that was to close.

 

[EspoForever]

[quote name="Ton"]Thanks Espo!



You inspired me to put this up on the main page... everyone should see those pictures.



I also argued that call while watching the game, and my friends told me there was "space between the red line and puck"... but they were fooled by the illusion as well.



Those pictures prove that the NHL did NOT have definitive proof to OVERTURN the on ice call!



Brilliant work Espo![/quote]

You're welcome dude! And thanks for the kind words.



Seeing your video again clearly shows how Briere jumped right on top of Niemi too. There should have been a goalie interference call for that because he blatantly leapt on him right in the crease with no push. Compare that to the call Bolland got against him in Game 3 vs the Sharks when he was crosschecked and barely grazed Nabokov's toe well out of the crease.



GO HAWKS!!!!! OVERCOME THIS BS!!!!