The No Fun League

[Gunzaan]

Those rules are keeping the games best players on the field more often so, yes, they are improving the game.

Give me a specific example of a rule that the NFL has instituted in the last decade and tell me how it made the game worse.

I notice that the "man's man" hasn't answered this question yet

 

[DMelt36]

Good point, if today's players played under the old rules...could they beat the originals that grew up playing that type of football?.

Although we will never know, I would wager the old-school(using pre-1990 rules)should beat our 2011 whomever. Size and strength only matters when it's controlled, and the NFL is all about controlling how people play THEIR game.

Deacon Jones, for one, because his trademark move is now illegal.

I don't see how older players, even with their rules, would succeed against today's teams. If you allowed the athletes of today to throw their bodies around with out any repercussions from the league, the injury toll would be catastrophic.

Hits like Wilber Marshall on Joe Ferguson would happen every week.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

**** most of you, you play football with the inherent knowledge that you might be injured. That's how the game was played for almost a century.

Pussies

yes, but think about the context of the injury

the biggest concerns are spinal injuries or injuries to the head(ex. concussions)

even with these new rules there are going to be injuries, football is inherently designed to where it is almost unavoidable for injuries to occur(pending future technological advancements)

but the point of some of these rules is to prevent current players from having the same fate as some past players who have serious physical(mainly pertains to the head and spine) as well as pyschological damage because of football

of course the rules are not always idiosyncratically satisfactory, but the rules do, in fact, have a postive impact regarding the safety of the game..thats not an opinion..its a fact

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

The game has changed mostly because of money. Whether or not the game is better or worse is all based on people's opinion and which era they grew up in. Can't fault younger people for being exposed to something they aren't in control of, the networks are the ones who put more of a premium on offensive play than defensive play. They're the ones who shove the 50 yard touchdown passing play highlights down our throats. If you're looking for someone to blame, blame them. My opinion is...I don't care as long as my team wins.

By the way, look at what college football teams are doing by leaving their conferences to go to different ones to create "super conferences". Its all about the $$$ guys, for those of you haven't accepted it yet, the sooner you do the better off you'll be.


EDIT: and it's all about TV ratings too...

i wouldnt say its all about $(although it depends on what you're talking about), but it definitely played a significant role in some of the rule changes

 

[Sunbiz1]

yes, but think about the context of the injury

the biggest concerns are spinal injuries or injuries to the head(ex. concussions)

even with these new rules there are going to be injuries, football is inherently designed to where it is almost unavoidable for injuries to occur(pending future technological advancements)

but the point of some of these rules is to prevent current players from having the same fate as some past players who have serious physical(mainly pertains to the head and spine) as well as pyschological damage because of football

of course the rules are not always idiosyncratically satisfactory, but the rules do, in fact, have a postive impact regarding the safety of the game..thats not an opinion..its a fact

OK, so players have "evolved" to be bigger, faster, and stronger...had to add the irony. Had they played 30 years ago, against each other...I still doubt the injuries would have been greater than say Darryl Stingley's.

Ya know, I feel like I'm defending people hitting one another...so feel free to promote the context.

 

[Gunzaan]

OK, so players have "evolved" to be bigger, faster, and stronger...had to add the irony. Had they played 30 years ago, against each other...I still doubt the injuries would have been greater than say Darryl Stingley's.

Ya know, I feel like I'm defending people hitting one another...so feel free to promote the context.

Yes, the evolution of designer drugs, protein drinks, vitamin consumption, proper weight training and a strict diet has led players to be bigger, faster and stronger.

Evolution, baby!

 

[DMelt36]

OK, so players have "evolved" to be bigger, faster, and stronger...had to add the irony. Had they played 30 years ago, against each other...I still doubt the injuries would have been greater than say Darryl Stingley's.

Ya know, I feel like I'm defending people hitting one another...so feel free to promote the context.

You'll never prevent accidents like Stingley's, or Mike Utley's or Kevin Everett's, or Dennis Byrd's. They're going to happen, unfortunately, because of the nature of the game.

But you can legislate ways to minimize the situations where those happen.

Stingley was speared by Tatum. That kind of hit is now illegal.
Everett was injured on a kickoff. Those players are now only allowed to line up 5 yards from the line of scrimmage to prevent the momentum they generate when covering a KO.

The other two were freak accidents that you really can't prevent or legislate against.

I think the biggest change people have issues with is the new rules that don't allow players with concussions to go back into the game. I don't see the problem with this when there is scientific evidence that players are exponentially more susceptible to severe brain damage when they take repeated blows to the head in a game. If you're saving a player from a few hits now that can save them from severe mental trauma later, what's the problem with that?

 

[Gunzaan]

I think the biggest change people have issues with is the new rules that don't allow players with concussions to go back into the game. I don't see the problem with this when there is scientific evidence that players are exponentially more susceptible to severe brain damage when they take repeated blows to the head in a game. If you're saving a player from a few hits now that can save them from severe mental trauma later, what's the problem with that?

Uhhh... the problem is that they are all now pussies!!!!

*beats his fists on his chest and shouts like a gorilla!*

 

[DMelt36]

Yes, the evolution of designer drugs, protein drinks, vitamin consumption, proper weight training and a strict diet has led players to be bigger, faster and stronger.

Evolution, baby!

Plus, the NFL is a year-round commitment now. In the offseason, players in the pre-80s used to take jobs in the offseason to make ends meet. Around the 1980s is the time contracts grew enough where that wasn't necessary, but it's only been in the past 20 years or so where players are training 24/7/365 to be in the NFL. They don't really take that much time off. That only adds to the freakish size of the NFL's athletes.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

OK, so players have "evolved" to be bigger, faster, and stronger...had to add the irony. Had they played 30 years ago, against each other...I still doubt the injuries would have been greater than say Darryl Stingley's.

Ya know, I feel like I'm defending people hitting one another...so feel free to promote the context.

you do realize its not a relative scientific evolution(like complete genetic evolution..that takes way longer than 30 years)..it has a bit to do with methods of training and other stuff gunz listed

you claim which that players are bigger,faster, and stronger than they used to be..which is arguably correct

but wouldnt that make these rules even more important?

 

[BigP50]

Something I just thought of. Arent the people who are making the NFL "horrible" the same people that played in the age that Sunbiz loves. Obviously they learned something from that era.

 

[Sunbiz1]

You'll never prevent accidents like Stingley's, or Mike Utley's or Kevin Everett's, or Dennis Byrd's. They're going to happen, unfortunately, because of the nature of the game.

But you can legislate ways to minimize the situations where those happen.

Stingley was speared by Tatum. That kind of hit is now illegal.
Everett was injured on a kickoff. Those players are now only allowed to line up 5 yards from the line of scrimmage to prevent the momentum they generate when covering a KO.

The other two were freak accidents that you really can't prevent or legislate against.

I think the biggest change people have issues with is the new rules that don't allow players with concussions to go back into the game. I don't see the problem with this when there is scientific evidence that players are exponentially more susceptible to severe brain damage when they take repeated blows to the head in a game. If you're saving a player from a few hits now that can save them from severe mental trauma later, what's the problem with that?[/QUOTE

The problem is, some people are genetically designed to withstand head trauma...while others are not. The rule designations have been designed to promote offense for YEARS...and thereby promote the NFL's marketing strategy.

More O=more revenue. And the new rules?, have done nothing to decrease the injury rate...show me a stat otherwise and I'll gladly eat this thread.

 

[Gunzaan]

You won't find a stat that proves otherwise for another 5+ years. Any research that has validity to it will take a years of data to make a point, not just a few games or a year or two.

You should gladly eat this thread because you sound like a pissed off Special person who is ranting because his team just lost.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

The problem is, some people are genetically designed to withstand head trauma...while others are not. The rule designations have been designed to promote offense for YEARS...and thereby promote the NFL's marketing strategy.

More O=more revenue. And the new rules?, have done nothing to decrease the injury rate...show me a stat otherwise and I'll gladly eat this thread.

genetically "designed"? maybe a few..although the human skull is a protective device..it,in most cases, cannot withstand consistent blows to the head caused by great amounts of force these players generate without there being some kind of psychological or physical detriment

just because a couple of people dont have issues with head blows doesnt mean there shouldnt be rules preventing it

and,sure, there is the angle of revenue and in essence i agree that is part of it....but lets not dismiss the injury prevention side of it

i agree with what gunz said..and will add this..

the concern is HEAD AND SPINAL INJURIES..not injuries overall...

 

[DMelt36]

You'll never prevent accidents like Stingley's, or Mike Utley's or Kevin Everett's, or Dennis Byrd's. They're going to happen, unfortunately, because of the nature of the game.

But you can legislate ways to minimize the situations where those happen.

Stingley was speared by Tatum. That kind of hit is now illegal.
Everett was injured on a kickoff. Those players are now only allowed to line up 5 yards from the line of scrimmage to prevent the momentum they generate when covering a KO.

The other two were freak accidents that you really can't prevent or legislate against.

I think the biggest change people have issues with is the new rules that don't allow players with concussions to go back into the game. I don't see the problem with this when there is scientific evidence that players are exponentially more susceptible to severe brain damage when they take repeated blows to the head in a game. If you're saving a player from a few hits now that can save them from severe mental trauma later, what's the problem with that?[/QUOTE

The problem is, some people are genetically designed to withstand head trauma...while others are not. The rule designations have been designed to promote offense for YEARS...and thereby promote the NFL's marketing strategy.

More O=more revenue. And the new rules?, have done nothing to decrease the injury rate...show me a stat otherwise and I'll gladly eat this thread.

I don't think you're ever going to decrease the amount of injuries in the NFL. But you CAN cut down on some of the types of injuries that add quick ends to brilliant careers, i.e. concussions.

In the NHL, Sidney Crosby took a hit that didn't appear to be all that violent, and he hasn't played since December. Still going through symptoms. The NFL doesn't want that to happen to one of their stars.

 

[BigP50]

The NFL just has to be careful with all these rules because I wouldn't be surprised if people just stop watching the NFL and put all their focus on the NCAA.

 

[DMelt36]

The NFL just has to be careful with all these rules because I wouldn't be surprised if people just stop watching the NFL and put all their focus on the NCAA.

I don't see that happening anytime soon.

The NFL had a threat of not playing games this season, and it's actually made the league more popular. Their first week ratings were the highest of all-time.

The NFL owns the professional sports scene right now, and nobody is close.

 

[BigP50]

I don't see that happening anytime soon.

The NFL had a threat of not playing games this season, and it's actually made the league more popular. Their first week ratings were the highest of all-time.

The NFL owns the professional sports scene right now, and nobody is close.

It's different though because they actually played, and thats all the fans wanted. If the games get to a point where the QB rules get even more debatable, the NFL will lose fans I think.

 

[Sunbiz1]

You won't find a stat that proves otherwise for another 5+ years. Any research that has validity to it will take a years of data to make a point, not just a few games or a year or two.

You should gladly eat this thread because you sound like a pissed off Special person who is ranting because his team just lost.

No, I'm pissed off b/c half this MB seems to think that a 300 lb guy hitting another 300 lb guy somehow inflicts more injuries as opposed to 2 guys weighing in at 250. The laws of physics don't support that myth.

 

[Sunbiz1]

genetically "designed"? maybe a few..although the human skull is a protective device..it,in most cases, cannot withstand consistent blows to the head caused by great amounts of force these players generate without there being some kind of psychological or physical detriment

just because a couple of people dont have issues with head blows doesnt mean there shouldnt be rules preventing it

and,sure, there is the angle of revenue and in essence i agree that is part of it....but lets not dismiss the injury prevention side of it

i agree with what gunz said..and will add this..

the concern is HEAD AND SPINAL INJURIES..not injuries overall...

The studies are out there on boxers, the ones that didn't get knocked out had certain areas of the skull thicker than average. The new rules aren't helping, the kickoff one in particular. All that did was increase the speed of impact by 5 yards.

As Briggs stated almost a year ago, "The future of the NFL is International".