This team lacks toughness

[TheStig]

Not in their gritty style of play but in attitude. Noah maybe our toughest and most in your face player but he is just talk. The Bron incident yesterday really brought this to light. Go back to the Jordan days, do you think the knicks or bad boy pistons would have let MJ get away with dancing on the sideline? They would have given him a hard foul or flagerent and let him know you can't get away with that. Fast forward to yesterday and no one outside Noah even said anything. Your getting blownout on national tv, their is a dance squad on the sideline and guys like Gray or Johnson or Hunter can't get together and stand up for the team? Maybe, I just think the game should be played like it was back in the dynasty days, where if someone is lighting you up you give him a hard foul or trip him up a bit. Rattle the cage.

 

[RC_Skinny22]

Yeah I was shocked that nobady said something. Deng and Rose were sitting next to Noah and they didn´t even look at Lebron. That was very confusing to me.

 

[houheffna]

The Bulls didn't play like that in the dynasty days...they played like that in the 80's and that style is outdated. It is over the top to ask an undermanned roster to retaliate for someone dancing. Its legal for him to dance. If you want to retaliate...beat Lebron the next time you play him...then dance.

The Bulls I remembered went against Reggie Miller, he hit a big shot in the fourth quarter...then bowed to the crowd as they booed him. Then Kukoc hit the big shot to win.

The next night the Bulls went to Indiana...blew the Pacers out and after the game, Horace and Scottie took a bow at center court. That's how you do it.

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

The Bulls didn't play like that in the dynasty days...they played like that in the 80's and that style is outdated. It is over the top to ask an undermanned roster to retaliate for someone dancing. Its legal for him to dance. If you want to retaliate...beat Lebron the next time you play him...then dance.

The Bulls I remembered went against Reggie Miller, he hit a big shot in the fourth quarter...then bowed to the crowd as they booed him. Then Kukoc hit the big shot to win.

The next night the Bulls went to Indiana...blew the Pacers out and after the game, Horace and Scottie took a bow at center court. That's how you do it.

Are you kidding me? you don't remember the bad boy Pistons taking Pippen out of the game by roughing him up or all the hard fouls MJ got hit with going to the basket against the knicks. It was all very late 80's through the first three peat.

I don't understand the harm in having Gray knock bron on his ass. It also isn't legal to dance on the sideline. The nba passed a rule that you aren't even allowed to stand anymore unless its right after a big moment, let alone do a dance. If it weren't Bron, it would have been a technical. And if it is so legal why don't we see anyone else doing it? I doubt Bron is the only one in the league with bad dance steps.

 

[TheStig]

Bullseye wrote:

Yeah I was shocked that nobady said something. Deng and Rose were sitting next to Noah and they didn´t even look at Lebron. That was very confusing to me.

Noah and Rose should be captains, not kirk or hunter. Deng is ok as the third. But none of our captain are vocal leaders.

 

[houheffna]

Are you kidding me? you don't remember the bad boy Pistons taking Pippen out of the game by roughing him up or all the hard fouls MJ got hit with going to the basket against the knicks. It was all very late 80's through the first three peat.

I don't understand the harm in having Gray knock bron on his ass. It also isn't legal to dance on the sideline. The nba passed a rule that you aren't even allowed to stand anymore unless its right after a big moment, let alone do a dance. If it weren't Bron, it would have been a technical. And if it is so legal why don't we see anyone else doing it? I doubt Bron is the only one in the league with bad dance steps.

I remember the Bad Boy Pistons...they were thugs and are not good examples. You talk about what they did to Pippen as if its exemplary. You send a message by winning. Simple as that. That stuff was 20 years ago. Doesn't work now...nor should it. You want to beat a trash talker...win. That stuff may go in baseball and other sports but not so much in basketball.

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

Are you kidding me? you don't remember the bad boy Pistons taking Pippen out of the game by roughing him up or all the hard fouls MJ got hit with going to the basket against the knicks. It was all very late 80's through the first three peat.

I don't understand the harm in having Gray knock bron on his ass. It also isn't legal to dance on the sideline. The nba passed a rule that you aren't even allowed to stand anymore unless its right after a big moment, let alone do a dance. If it weren't Bron, it would have been a technical. And if it is so legal why don't we see anyone else doing it? I doubt Bron is the only one in the league with bad dance steps.

I remember the Bad Boy Pistons...they were thugs and are not good examples. You talk about what they did to Pippen as if its exemplary. You send a message by winning. Simple as that. That stuff was 20 years ago. Doesn't work now...nor should it. You want to beat a trash talker...win. That stuff may go in baseball and other sports but not so much in basketball.

Seemed to work well enough to get them two rings, a trip to the finals and ecf. It also gained them a reputation that sticks through time. It was also the basis of Pat Riellys knick strategy. I think you are seeing it through the bulls point of view that it was bad, it was genius, they took worse teams and won by intimidating weaker players. I am not suggesting the bulls become the bad boys pistons but a hard foul to send a message is still done and there was no better time or person to do it to then Bron after dancing.

 

[Dpauley23]

TheStig wrote:

Bullseye wrote:

Yeah I was shocked that nobady said something. Deng and Rose were sitting next to Noah and they didn´t even look at Lebron. That was very confusing to me.

Noah and Rose should be captains, not kirk or hunter. Deng is ok as the third. But none of our captain are vocal leaders.

Hunter is pretty vocal

 

[TheStig]

Dpauley23 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

Bullseye wrote:

Yeah I was shocked that nobady said something. Deng and Rose were sitting next to Noah and they didn´t even look at Lebron. That was very confusing to me.

Noah and Rose should be captains, not kirk or hunter. Deng is ok as the third. But none of our captain are vocal leaders.

Hunter is pretty vocal

I meant more on the floor and Hunter barely plays unless someone is injured.

 

[houheffna]

Seemed to work well enough to get them two rings, a trip to the finals and ecf. It also gained them a reputation that sticks through time. It was also the basis of Pat Riellys knick strategy. I think you are seeing it through the bulls point of view that it was bad, it was genius, they took worse teams and won by intimidating weaker players. I am not suggesting the bulls become the bad boys pistons but a hard foul to send a message is still done and there was no better time or person to do it to then Bron after dancing.

No, having 3 and possibly 4 hall of famers (including the coach) is what got them two rings, a trip to the finals and an ecf. Being dirty is not what helped. They had very good teams and some great players. How often did the Bulls retaliate for the foolishness the Pistons pulled off? Not often...it culminated in the Bulls beating the Pistons...and that is what matters.

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

Seemed to work well enough to get them two rings, a trip to the finals and ecf. It also gained them a reputation that sticks through time. It was also the basis of Pat Riellys knick strategy. I think you are seeing it through the bulls point of view that it was bad, it was genius, they took worse teams and won by intimidating weaker players. I am not suggesting the bulls become the bad boys pistons but a hard foul to send a message is still done and there was no better time or person to do it to then Bron after dancing.

No, having 3 and possibly 4 hall of famers (including the coach) is what got them two rings, a trip to the finals and an ecf. Being dirty is not what helped. They had very good teams and some great players. How often did the Bulls retaliate for the foolishness the Pistons pulled off? Not often...it culminated in the Bulls beating the Pistons...and that is what matters.

3 or 4? They have two, their backcourt thats it. And it certainly helped them because the bulls were a more talented team. They also beat up on other more talented teams. Why else would they do it? For fun?

 

[houheffna]

Okay I am going to count...

1. Dumars
2. Thomas
3. Daly
4. Rodman (possibly)

That is 3, possibly 4 hall of famers....

The Bulls were not a more talented team until the supporting cast got better and Jordan trusted his teammates. Up to that point Detroit was better...Detroit also got older...

How old are you dude? 15? You need to watch some tape man...

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

Okay I am going to count...

1. Dumars
2. Thomas
3. Daly
4. Rodman (possibly)

That is 3, possibly 4 hall of famers....

The Bulls were not a more talented team until the supporting cast got better and Jordan trusted his teammates. Up to that point Detroit was better...Detroit also got older...

How old are you dude? 15? You need to watch some tape man...

You point out that the pistons had 3 hofs, so did Chicago. I wasn't counting the coach. Yes Chicago improved and Detroit got older but its not like it was Pippen or Grant's first year. The second time they met them in ecf Pippen was already an allstar. And the Pistons still had a couple more good years.

Maybe you should review the tape.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tmBca6MNII

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut9tpymQ1Ek

 

[houheffna]

Bruh...a little advice...if you are in law school...drop out!

The videos proved my point. They didn't stand up to the Pistons by setting out to retaliate physically, they stood up to the Pistons by beating them on the court!

Dumars said that the Pistons knew they were in trouble because JORDAN COULD SCORE 30 AND STILL GET HIS TEAMMATES INVOLVED!

What few good years are you talking about? The next year they lost to the Knicks in the first round, the following year they were out of the playoffs. They were old and in the way.

The Bulls beat the Pistons, the Knicks, and all of those teams on the court by winning games not with physical retaliation.

On the videos YOU produced (which you evidently didn't watch) they said that trying to force the Bulls to retaliate physically was part of the Pistons plan. Getting Jordan to ignore his teammates and try to do things on his own was part of the Pistons plan. The Bulls got smarter, not "tougher" physically...tougher mentally.

I rest my case...your witness.

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

Bruh...a little advice...if you are in law school...drop out!

The videos proved my point. They didn't stand up to the Pistons by setting out to retaliate physically, they stood up to the Pistons by beating them on the court!

Dumars said that the Pistons knew they were in trouble because JORDAN COULD SCORE 30 AND STILL GET HIS TEAMMATES INVOLVED!

What few good years are you talking about? The next year they lost to the Knicks in the first round, the following year they were out of the playoffs. They were old and in the way.

The Bulls beat the Pistons, the Knicks, and all of those teams on the court by winning games not with physical retaliation.

On the videos YOU produced (which you evidently didn't watch) they said that trying to force the Bulls to retaliate physically was part of the Pistons plan. Getting Jordan to ignore his teammates and try to do things on his own was part of the Pistons plan. The Bulls got smarter, not "tougher" physically...tougher mentally.

I rest my case...your witness.

Exactly, bad boy pistons. They took the bulls out of their game by being physical. They got in their head. That was my point all along. Paxson and Sam Smith said it in the video that it worked and took them out of their game. The bulls were better and the pistons took them out of their game being physical. Hence the bad boy pistons. They altered people approach.

 

[houheffna]

So you saying the Bulls should adopt this style of play and then they can beat the Cavs?

It really doesn't matter what your point is because it doesn't work now...that was 20 years ago! They don't play like that anymore...its not allowed. My point is it was not just about physical play. The Pistons had talented players and great coaching. Physical retaliation only gets you more physicality from the opposition...especially if you don't have talent. All of a sudden the team lacks toughness because they didn't knock Lebron on his ass? That is barbaric archaic thinking that should stay in the past. The Pistons are an anomaly in history. And that type of attitude should disappear and never resurface.

Wanting someone to harm Lebron for dancing is just idiotic to me. Beat him on the court. After watching the Bulls who proved their point by winning much more than retaliating...makes no sense.

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

So you saying the Bulls should adopt this style of play and then they can beat the Cavs?

It really doesn't matter what your point is because it doesn't work now...that was 20 years ago! They don't play like that anymore...its not allowed. My point is it was not just about physical play. The Pistons had talented players and great coaching. Physical retaliation only gets you more physicality from the opposition...especially if you don't have talent. All of a sudden the team lacks toughness because they didn't knock Lebron on his ass? That is barbaric archaic thinking that should stay in the past. The Pistons are an anomaly in history. And that type of attitude should disappear and never resurface.

Wanting someone to harm Lebron for dancing is just idiotic to me. Beat him on the court. After watching the Bulls who proved their point by winning much more than retaliating...makes no sense.

Go back and read my first post and stop with this crap. I didn't say we should adopt the style all the time but when you are getting killed by a player and then he is dancing his ass off on the sideline, you should give him a hard foul and show him he won't get away with that. I think we are missing that sort of toughness since we traded Noc and AD. Occasionally it comes in handy.

That type of play wasn't allowed back then either. Thats why they were called fouls. I didn't say the Pistons weren't talented or didn't have good coaching. In fact saying I like the style would indicate I like their coaching but they weren't as talented as the bulls and niether were the knicks when they tried that kinda of stuff. But it gave them advantage and took the bulls out of their game till they were able to overcome it. it really helped even out the playing field and intimidated and frustrated everyone.

Furthermore, we can't beat Bron on the court. We will never have anyone good enough to beat him. He is the best in the game.

 

[houheffna]

I read your post again...its even dumber the second time around.

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

I read your post again...its even dumber the second time around.

No whats dumb is the generalizations you made about it. Like you do all my posts, I recommend some elementary reading classes.

 

[houheffna]

Maybe you are right man...now I never called you dumb...just think your reactions to what Lebron did is dumb. Ask yourself...if you hard foul Lebron (who on this team can do that? Good luck with that Aaron Gray...) what's next? If Gray can hard foul Lebron, Shaq can end Rose's career...is it worth that? Or do you beat them on the court and he don't dance? I think my idea is sooooo much better than yours.