Thoughts and Observations Week 3

[botfly10]

Not Bears related, but has to do with yesterday's game:

https://deadspin.com/of-course-the-skins-misspelled-london-fletchers-name-du-1838384193

So, the team had this big half time celebration to bring London Fletcher into their ring of honor. Let's just ignore that less thank 1/2 of his NFL career was with that team. They went off and they did this:

I honestly think being a Washington fan is the NFL's version of hell. If you were a fan and decided not to leave after the 28-3 first half whoopin' so you could see London get honored they found a way to let you down.

Edit/Addition:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1176327577973264385

oh my god

 

[nvanprooyen]

ok, to qualify NFL quality, I expect a QB in the NFL to make the other passes you stated. open receivers should get the ball on a pass play and I expect each and every QB in the nfl to make that particular throw accurately. so good for Mitch he finally hit some open receivers. The TD to Gabriel was an exceptional throw, one not too many can actually make in the scenario. So I give him props for making it. The interception on the goal line was not, it needed more air to get over the defender, that's twice now in three games. Sad. now tell me how many drives he kept alive and scored on? A drive off a punt or kickoff, not a handover from the defense. name one from last night.

To be clear, without the D, the offense doesn't score a TD last night.

This started at the 33 after the missed FG, which really isn't all that different than beginning field position from a kickoff.

• 1st & 10 at CHI 33
  (13:23 - 2nd) (Shotgun) D.Montgomery right tackle to CHI 33 for no gain (R.Anderson).
• 2nd & 10 at CHI 33
  (12:53 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) PENALTY on WAS-R.Anderson, Neutral Zone Infraction, 5 yards, enforced at CHI 33 - No Play.
• 2nd & 5 at CHI 38
  (12:35 - 2nd) (Shotgun) PENALTY on CHI-A.Miller, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at CHI 38 - No Play.
• 2nd & 10 at CHI 33
  (12:13 - 2nd) M.Trubisky pass short middle to D.Montgomery to CHI 39 for 6 yards (J.Moreland).
• 3rd & 4 at CHI 39
  (11:36 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Trubisky pass short middle to A.Robinson to 50 for 11 yards (J.Moreland).
• 1st & 10 at 50
  (11:00 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Trubisky pass incomplete short right to T.Gabriel.
• 2nd & 10 at 50
  (10:54 - 2nd) (Shotgun) M.Trubisky pass incomplete deep left to A.Miller. PENALTY on WAS-R.Kerrigan, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at 50 - No Play.
• 2nd & 5 at WSH 45
  (10:49 - 2nd) (Shotgun) M.Trubisky pass short middle to T.Burton to WAS 37 for 8 yards (D.Payne; J.Moreland).
• 1st & 10 at WSH 37
  (10:13 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Trubisky right end to WAS 35 for 2 yards (L.Collins).
• 2nd & 8 at WSH 35
  (9:31 - 2nd) (Shotgun) M.Trubisky pass incomplete short middle to D.Montgomery. PENALTY on WAS-J.Moreland, Illegal Contact, 4 yards, enforced at WAS 35 - No Play.
• 1st & 10 at WSH 31
  (9:26 - 2nd) D.Montgomery right guard to WAS 23 for 8 yards (M.Ioannidis, J.Bostic).
• 2nd & 2 at WSH 23
  (8:53 - 2nd) T.Cohen up the middle to WAS 23 for no gain (M.Sweat).
• 
  (8:23 - 2nd) Timeout #1 by CHI at 08:23.
• 3rd & 2 at WSH 23
  (8:23 - 2nd) (Shotgun) M.Trubisky pass short middle to A.Miller pushed ob at WAS 8 for 15 yards (C.Holcomb).
• 1st & Goal at WSH 8
  (7:53 - 2nd) (Shotgun) Direct snap to C.Patterson. C.Patterson left end to WAS 3 for 5 yards (C.Holcomb, M.Nicholson).
• 2nd & Goal at WSH 3
  (7:00 - 2nd) Taylor Gabriel Pass From Mitchell Trubisky for 3 Yrds E.Pineiro extra point is GOOD, Center-P.Scales, Holder-P.O'Donnell.

 

[Pegger]

ok

but I dream of a day when the bears have a QB that the O doesn't have to scheme to hide. I dream of a day when the bears have a QB they can feature.

And as fans, we don't accept mediocrity anywhere else. why would we at QB?

I guess the point is that the bears will probably have to be back on the hunt for a QB sooner than later.

You can dream of anything you want, but that doesn't mean you should expect it.

Top tier difference makers at that position are rare to come bye, so should be factored into your expectations.

Here's an exaggerated example: I dream of winning the lottery. It's fair to say I want it. That doesn't mean I should expect it every time I buy a ticket.

 

[botfly10]

It appears he will be just a guy, but now we go back to wait and see if he can consistently do what he did last night. Because if we can consistently get what he did last night I think he will be better than just a guy. He was pretty on in the 2nd and 3rd quarter before killing the clock in the 4th.

The Vikings will be interesting, can he maintain this positive momentum.

so trubs is just a guy. unless he isn't just a guy.

and what we saw last night is prob gon be peak performance for this season. that was prob the high water mark.

 

[Novak]

Thoughts and Observations Week 3

-Kyle Long has been bad this season. He was unwatchable bad last night. He was routinely abused by Ionnadis in the passing game and in the run game missed defenders and was pulling late in the game like a broken mule limping around. He might be done.

Dude, he was done FOUR years ago...

Why are we acting like he's just now injured/bad/ineffective? I've been harping on this for years. He's easily the biggest liability on this o line..

 

[botfly10]

You can dream of anything you want, but that doesn't mean you should expect it.

Top tier difference makers at that position are rare to come bye, so should be factored into your expectations.

Here's an exaggerated example: to help with my point. I dream of winning the lottery. That doesn't mean I should expect it every time I buy a ticket.

what is this nonsense

did you just equate a dream with an expectation?

I dream of a QB that the bears can feature

I expect them to keep looking for one even though it is hard. Work with what they got, but don't be satisfied with mediocrity. Don't just sign trubs for 5 years just cause he is on the team.

 

[Les Grossman]

Long was always going to be gone after this year.

Prince looks a step slower. He can be cut this offseason with minimal cap hit too.

I hate saying this but Hicks has looked a little less dynamic this year. His very high number of snaps and super aggressive and physical style have to take something of a toll. The Bears seem to have enough good DTs to limit his reps more now.

Trevathan continues to impress and is indeed a candidate for a new deal.

Mike Davis barely played and can be cut with minimal cap impact this offseason too.

Hicks obviously has a bad knee right now, hence him wearing a knee brace.

Prince is playing just fine. He doesn’t look any slower to me, he never was a burner.

Lol at posters jumping to conclusions already about cutting players. Same ol shit.

 

[NCChiFan]

I've been fussing about Nagy's play calling this year, but his play calling was much better last night and in fact Very Good in the red zone. When you set up plays with players wide open for easy tosses, that's some good play calling or very very bad defense.

Nagy tightened up the plays to Mitch, to the point Mitch and Nagy had time to fake hike to help Mitch with the Defensive reads. Excellent, which is much better than the game one delay penalties. Although, I was thinking last night, at least a few times they should have called a play and ran it without the fake hike to keep the Defense guessing and thereby making them commit to showing the Defense.

 

[RubberBanMan]

I think prince has been solid outside of a few penalties early on, some debatable calls too.

 

[dennehy]

Hicks obviously has a bad knee right now, hence him wearing a knee brace.

Prince is playing just fine. He doesn’t look any slower to me, he never was a burner.

Lol at posters jumping to conclusions already about cutting players. Same ol shit.

The only player I said was gone is Long. The others, I said possibly, and I never said anything about Hicks. If you think I was jumping to conclusions, I think you need to take a grade school reading course.

Players are likely going to get cut this offseason, though. Simple math, and some always are.

 

[WindyCity]

Yeah but why didn't he have a good game? I'm down on him overall and for the future, but I expected he would do well and he did. How was there only "one throw that actually was NFL quality"? Because some of the shorter stuff was to open crosses and slants? So? His job is to hit them right? And he hit them.

I tip my hat to Mitch with the understanding that I expected a good game here or there (esp against bad teams) but hold out little hope for the same level of play against better defenses as I suspect you do too. That STILL doesn't take away his good game last night though imo.

This is an excellent way to put it.

Mitch met my expectations last night. I file it as a positive data point and we see if he can do it again next week.

 

[EL ROCKSTEADY]

A step in the right direction for the offense last night but, the Redskins were pretty bad. A few throws tonight again over-thrown. One of the talking heads after the game last night said it best. The Bears offense have yet to do anything throwing the ball from the pocket and running the ball this year negating effectiveness of play action.

 

[WindyCity]

so trubs is just a guy. unless he isn't just a guy.

and what we saw last night is prob gon be peak performance for this season. that was prob the high water mark.

I am fine with that.

For the most part he was accurate and made the throws he needs to make. Does consistently being last night get him in the top 10 QBs in the league, no, but it gets him out of the bottom 16.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

The Bears are not good enough to overcome shoot themselves in the foot penalties against a good team. Fortunately, Washington isn't a good team and neither is Denver. Minnesota is a good team and if they take penalties against them they will be hard pressed to get the win.

A pet peeve of mine is special team penalties. Last night is a case in point where Cohen had a nice punt return nullified by a penalty. It resulted in about a 30 yard difference in field position. It can't be that difficult to stop yourself from taking a penalty because most of them are so blatant it boggles the mind what the player was thinking to commit such a bonehead play. The player's union wouldn't stand for it but I would love to see teams fine the player something like $1000. per yard of field position the team lost because of their penalty.

 

[jc456]

This started at the 33 after the missed FG, which really isn't all that different than beginning field position from a kickoff.

• 1st & 10 at CHI 33
  (13:23 - 2nd) (Shotgun) D.Montgomery right tackle to CHI 33 for no gain (R.Anderson).
• 2nd & 10 at CHI 33
  (12:53 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) PENALTY on WAS-R.Anderson, Neutral Zone Infraction, 5 yards, enforced at CHI 33 - No Play.
• 2nd & 5 at CHI 38
  (12:35 - 2nd) (Shotgun) PENALTY on CHI-A.Miller, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at CHI 38 - No Play.
• 2nd & 10 at CHI 33
  (12:13 - 2nd) M.Trubisky pass short middle to D.Montgomery to CHI 39 for 6 yards (J.Moreland).
• 3rd & 4 at CHI 39
  (11:36 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Trubisky pass short middle to A.Robinson to 50 for 11 yards (J.Moreland).
• 1st & 10 at 50
  (11:00 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Trubisky pass incomplete short right to T.Gabriel.
• 2nd & 10 at 50
  (10:54 - 2nd) (Shotgun) M.Trubisky pass incomplete deep left to A.Miller. PENALTY on WAS-R.Kerrigan, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at 50 - No Play.
• 2nd & 5 at WSH 45
  (10:49 - 2nd) (Shotgun) M.Trubisky pass short middle to T.Burton to WAS 37 for 8 yards (D.Payne; J.Moreland).
• 1st & 10 at WSH 37
  (10:13 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Trubisky right end to WAS 35 for 2 yards (L.Collins).
• 2nd & 8 at WSH 35
  (9:31 - 2nd) (Shotgun) M.Trubisky pass incomplete short middle to D.Montgomery. PENALTY on WAS-J.Moreland, Illegal Contact, 4 yards, enforced at WAS 35 - No Play.
• 1st & 10 at WSH 31
  (9:26 - 2nd) D.Montgomery right guard to WAS 23 for 8 yards (M.Ioannidis, J.Bostic).
• 2nd & 2 at WSH 23
  (8:53 - 2nd) T.Cohen up the middle to WAS 23 for no gain (M.Sweat).
• 
  (8:23 - 2nd) Timeout #1 by CHI at 08:23.
• 3rd & 2 at WSH 23
  (8:23 - 2nd) (Shotgun) M.Trubisky pass short middle to A.Miller pushed ob at WAS 8 for 15 yards (C.Holcomb).
• 1st & Goal at WSH 8
  (7:53 - 2nd) (Shotgun) Direct snap to C.Patterson. C.Patterson left end to WAS 3 for 5 yards (C.Holcomb, M.Nicholson).
• 2nd & Goal at WSH 3
  (7:00 - 2nd) Taylor Gabriel Pass From Mitchell Trubisky for 3 Yrds E.Pineiro extra point is GOOD, Center-P.Scales, Holder-P.O'Donnell.

The one drive I missed. Thanks for setting me straight that Mitch had one drive for points that was started as a sort of turn over on downs rather than a defensive turnover. Although, again, defense was the key to that one as well. So he got seven on an actual drive. the other 24 were off turnovers.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

I love how posters are clamoring for coaches to throw the challenge flag on debatable PI no calls. That’s not even what the new rule is for. It’s for obvious fouls.

I remember that there were posters who were saying that the new PI rules were going to destroy the NFL because they were going to be thrown all the time.

I argued that coaches would eventually learn that the challenge flag and the time out would eventually be noticed to be too special to throw the challenge flag, hoping to get a PI penalty called. The refs showed in the preseason that the challenge flag hoping to get a weak PI call was a waste of a challenge flag and a timeout.

As of now, the challenge flag for PI penalties has been a whole lot of nothing. Hopefully, it stays that way.

 

[jc456]

I love how posters are clamoring for coaches to throw the challenge flag on debatable PI no calls. That’s not even what the new rule is for. It’s for obvious fouls.

And another thing, that wasn’t PI on Robinson, it was holding when he grabbed him, so it wouldn’t be reviewable anyway.

why invent the rule if you don't exercise your right to challenge? It was a turn over, IMO, the defender held the receiver while the ball was in the air, you call it whatever, but it's the only way he makes the interception because his contact allowed him to stay in the play. Fk, I give two shits if he ever uses it, but he was up 19 at the time, were timeouts of grave concerns at the time of that play? They went down and scored a TD, was a fourteen point swing. but hey, who the fk am I that I wanted a head coach to do his job. You must be the man to call me out. ewwwwwww

 

[Tostada]

Hicks obviously has a bad knee right now, hence him wearing a knee brace.

Prince is playing just fine. He doesn’t look any slower to me, he never was a burner.

Lol at posters jumping to conclusions already about cutting players. Same ol shit.

People rely too much on their knee jerk reaction, there's a phrase, "Opinion impregnated with cognitive bias." It's a cheap mental tool.

 

[Milton Waddams]

It'll be interesting to see our run D vs Cook this Sunday. If they can bottle him at the line and not let him get in space with his freaky speed I think it's a BEARS win.

 

[onebud34]

I'm not a fan of all the offensive penalties.
I think we had another 1st & 20 last night