Time For Change

[Matthew]

This is not a panic thread, in fact I am satisfied with our point percentage thus far into the season. Individual performances are another issue. Fernando Pisani, John Scott, and Jassen Cullimore need to be replaced. Jeremy Morin or Igor Makarov are both far better options than Pisani, the guy has been a black hole. Nick Leddy, Ivan Vishnevskiy, or Brian Connelly are all better than the traffic cones that are Scott and Cullimore.

Dave Bolland needs to wake up sometime soon. Jonathan Toews needs to show why he has been praised as a young superstar this off season and start earning some of that 6 million dollar salary.

This season has been fine from a point percentage perspective, in fact before tonight's loss we were on track for the same amount of points as last year. The problem is we have complete non contributors on this team and key players severely under performing. Patrick Sharp and Marian Hossa have been carrying this team and once they cool down a bit we could be in some trouble if the situation does not change.

Another problem is missing Brian Campbell. All off season all you heard about Soupy is how great it would be to get rid of his ridiculous contract, now just like last year our defense has been very inconsistent without him and our power play has really missed his services.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Bolly hasn't had regular season production since Havlat left.

Piss poor contract we gave him.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

JoeHawks, I'll go along with that. Havlat, Boland, Ladd was a fantastic line. The things they did are hard to duplicate. Pure defense met with great offensive chemistry. Was it the best 3rd line the NHL has seen in years? I'd say yes. Name another that could challenge them.

As for the rest of this thread- go piss yourself somewhere else. YES, Campbell is missed. The dude is wildly overpaid, yet he's a huge key to the Hawks success. What is crying about his absence going to get you? Nothing, that's what.

All things considered, it would still be great to be rid of Brian's ridiculous contract. The fact remains that $7 million can get you a lot of things- a puck moving d-man is but one of them.

Don't lose your head just yet. St Louis isn't that bad.

 

[Matthew]

As for the rest of this thread- go piss yourself somewhere else.

You completely missed the point of this thread. I am simply pointing out the deficiencies with this team right now, it is important because Sharp and Hossa are not going to continue to have this kind of production for the entire season. I am not "pissing myself," I am pointing out proactive measures that need to be taken to keep this team on track.

Also I never once said I would not drop Campbell and his contract in a heartbeat. You would have to be an idiot to want to continue to pay 7 million a season to a potentially 4th defesnsemen especially when our system is stacked with offensive minded defensemen than can replace him. My point was he is not tradable because of his deal and we might as well live with the cap hit he brings and be grateful for the way this team performs with his services. Also remember this team was awful without him last year as well.

 

[Jntg4]

Leddy should be up, all I can say. They've still played well enough with what they got though.

 

[tbo41fan]

Well Morin got hurt last night, so I dont see him coming up...

But I agree, Leddy should replace Cullimore


Makarov? ehhh I still would take the veteran prescence of Pisani

 

[DewsSox79]

bolland-underachieving
pisani-blows ass
scott-blows ass
skille and stalberg not getting enough TOI

i guess you can say we miss campbell

 

[tbo41fan]

bolland-underachieving
pisani-blows ass
scott-blows ass
skille and stalberg not getting enough TOI

i guess you can say we miss campbell

Im just curious...at this point in the season, what are your realistic numbers you thought these 2 would have?

Just give me stats that you thought they would have by now...

 

[Matthew]

Im just curious...at this point in the season, what are your realistic numbers you thought these 2 would have?

Just give me stats that you thought they would have by now...

I am sick of people constantly saying this. It is not about point production it is about playing well enough to warrant a roster spot and ice time. Pisani becomes lost in the offensive zone and he constantly turns the puck over. Scott cannot skate and has awful positioning.

Half the posters on the board seem to think it is alright to have half your lineup do nothing for the team on the ice as long as they have a minimum contract. I expect high paid superstars like Hossa, Kane, and Toews to dominate and put up big points but I expect the entire roster to have general hockey sense, skating, and positioning.

 

[tbo41fan]

I am sick of people constantly saying this. It is not about point production it is about playing well enough to warrant a roster spot and ice time. Pisani becomes lost in the offensive zone and he constantly turns the puck over. Scott cannot skate and has awful positioning.

Half the posters on the board seem to think it is alright to have half your lineup do nothing for the team on the ice as long as they have a minimum contract. I expect high paid superstars like Hossa, Kane, and Toews to dominate and put up big points but I expect the entire roster to have general hockey sense, skating, and positioning.

And im sick of people thinking that after we won the stanley cup and fill out our roster with minimum salary guys and young guys that we should be 10-0 right now averaging 5-6 goals per game, have no weaknesses on our team and streaking our way to another Cup.

Get real, Pisani and Scott weren't brought in to score like Kane or skate like Hossa...they were brought in to be bottom type guys with a small salary

Im sorry Pisani isnt up there with Hossa in goals scored.

And who do you want us to replace Scott and Pisani with? Morin? another unproven young guy? Leddy? Cant afford him with the salary cap.

Based on your standards, Keith, Hammer, Bickell, Bolland all better pack their bags because they aren't playing well either

 

[Matthew]

And im sick of people thinking that after we won the stanley cup and fill out our roster with minimum salary guys and young guys that we should be 10-0 right now averaging 5-6 goals per game, have no weaknesses on our team and streaking our way to another Cup.

I just said that I did not expect any point production from those players yet you go on a rant about how I should not expect these guys to score like Patrick Kane. In fact I said I do not care that they have zero points, it is about how they are playing on the ice. Poor decisions with the puck, bad positioning, and playing lazy are my issues. This is not about scoring so quit bringing it up.

 

[icehogfan08]

I am sick of people constantly saying this. It is not about point production it is about playing well enough to warrant a roster spot and ice time. Pisani becomes lost in the offensive zone and he constantly turns the puck over. Scott cannot skate and has awful positioning.

Half the posters on the board seem to think it is alright to have half your lineup do nothing for the team on the ice as long as they have a minimum contract. I expect high paid superstars like Hossa, Kane, and Toews to dominate and put up big points but I expect the entire roster to have general hockey sense, skating, and positioning.

Pisani has never been an offensive threat. He has always been a defensive minded player. Hes the type of player to go into the corners and battle, and shut down teams top lines. Why you have these expectattions of him is beyond belief, you need to share that drug. Scott this and Scott that, I feel everyone is pointing fingers at him because hes the new guy. Why aren't we singling out Seabrook, Keith, or Hammer, Their games are off, but noone says anything about them.
When Soupy comes back this will be a different team, but until then the Hawks need to get by with what they have, and so far they haven't been to shabby.

 

[tbo41fan]

I just said that I did not expect any point production from those players yet you go on a rant about how I should not expect these guys to score like Patrick Kane. In fact I said I do not care that they have zero points, it is about how they are playing on the ice. Poor decisions with the puck, bad positioning, and playing lazy are my issues. This is not about scoring so quit bringing it up.

My point still stands...they weren't brought in to skate like Hossa and be 100% accurate on passing, they were brought to fill in the bottom half of the roster and have low salaries.

And like I said (because you seem to have only read half my post), who do you want to replace them? Morin? another unproven guy? Leddy, Beach? Nope, too high salaries

 

[tbo41fan]

Pisani has never been an offensive threat. He has always been a defensive minded player. Hes the type of player to go into the corners and battle, and shut down teams top lines. Why you have these expectattions of him is beyond belief, you need to share that drug. Scott this and Scott that, I feel everyone is pointing fingers at him because hes the new guy. Why aren't we singling out Seabrook, Keith, or Hammer, Their games are off, but noone says anything about them.
When Soupy comes back this will be a different team, but until then the Hawks need to get by with what they have, and so far they haven't been to shabby.

Yep...Pisani was never here to score, he was here to be on the PK and play defensive minded hockey

Because they won us a cup is my guess why they arent being ridiculed...

Exactly, Campbell proved this last year, he is a catalyst of this offense

 

[icehogfan08]

Yep...Pisani was never here to score, he was here to be on the PK and play defensive minded hockey

Because they won us a cup is my guess why they arent being ridiculed...

Exactly, Campbell proved this last year, he is a catalyst of this offense

And the same for Boynton, he gets critisized about his team play, but the last time i checked he leads the NHL in blocked shots.

 

[tbo41fan]

And the same for Boynton, he gets critisized about his team play, but the last time i checked he leads the NHL in blocked shots.

But, But,....

That ONE time he fell down and the other team scored...he should be sent to Rockford!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[icehogfan08]

But, But,....

That ONE time he fell down and the other team scored...he should be sent to Rockford!!!!!!!!!!!!

No it was the time he shot it out for a delay of game penalty. Didn't another Hawks defender do the same?

 

[tbo41fan]

Oh, i dont remember, my point is, these players are expected to be flawless....get over it, they are bottom pairing guys and I know this may shock some of you...THEY ARE GOING TO PLAY LIKE BOTTOM PAIRING GUYS!

 

[EnjoyYourTiger]

Oh, i dont remember, my point is, these players are expected to be flawless....get over it, they are bottom pairing guys and I know this may shock some of you...THEY ARE GOING TO PLAY LIKE BOTTOM PAIRING GUYS!

zomg. tbo laying down the truthiness?

Seriously though. Idk why everyone is all over Scott and Pisani's nuts like their at fault for a 5-4-1 record. If anything, why not ***** that Toews and Kane each have two goals, or some of the dumb penalties that the defense has allowed. That's more the cause for the five losses than guys who obviously aren't going to put up fantastic numbers not doing it.

 

[icehogfan08]

zomg. tbo laying down the truthiness?

Seriously though. Idk why everyone is all over Scott and Pisani's nuts like their at fault for a 5-4-1 record. If anything, why not ***** that Toews and Kane each have two goals, or some of the dumb penalties that the defense has allowed. That's more the cause for the five losses than guys who obviously aren't going to put up fantastic numbers not doing it.

Exactly, they want to talk about positioning, Kane is a -7, where is his D positioning? Oh and Scott is in the upper 3rd at a plus 1, so he isn't out of position too much or else he would be a minus