Time for Stan to be an Ass!

[CLWolf81]

Parise would make me drool more than Dubinsky would, but either way, I'd be a happy camper.



I never realized Parise was 26, either. Dubinsky is 25.



With the given situation we're in, I don't see how Stan doesn't do something. It's too tempting to pass up.



It's all about getting the right guy for the right deal. I'll trust that Stan will figure that out like he has with everything else.

 

[roshinaya]

Parise can't be offersheeted so that's out the window and I am not sure if he can be traded either, especially not if it ends with an arbitration award. And besides he would cost too much if the Hawks are to keep Sharp and have some capspace.



An offersheet to Dubinksy would most likely by matched by the Rangers, they have some capspace. If the Hawks are to get a 2nd liner it's a trade and it's more likely to happen during the trade deadline.

 

[R K]

Parise can't be offersheeted so that's out the window and I am not sure if he can be traded either, especially not if it ends with an arbitration award. And besides he would cost too much if the Hawks are to keep Sharp and have some capspace.



An offersheet to Dubinksy would most likely by matched by the Rangers, they have some capspace. If the Hawks are to get a 2nd liner it's a trade and it's more likely to happen during the trade deadline.

You could offer sheet Dubinsky and Anisimov. They don't have cap space to keep them both.



So if they Match the offer to Dubinsky you then take Anisimov who has now been moved to 3rd or 4th line for them with the addition of Richards. He is a good 2nd line Center.



Thats what the original post said. Did you bother to read it?

 

[roshinaya]

Well, Dubinsky went to arbitration so no more offersheets.



And I played around with the Rangers roster on capgeek and they could definitively keep both Anisimov and Dubinsky if if offered with $3m. They have almost $16m of capspace with 16 players signed, so they could in theory pay $3m to 5 more players.

 

[bookjones]

Eh, not sure offer sheeting is the only answer at this juncture. Stan's just got to broker a deal with the right team. EDM has far TOO many fucking young Centres (esp. now between the drafting of RN-H and the signing of Belanger) and are so desperate for D that they signed fucking Cam Barker for over $2 mil per. <--- Seriously? Ridiculous. Seems likely that with Gagner, Horcoff, Brule, Cogliano, Nugent-Hopkins (who most say is NHL-ready) and now Belanger that they don't need THAT much young Centre depth on the actual team. Cogliano seems the most likely trade candidate since he's RFA (and he's only 24---plenty young to bump his game back up with a fresh start on a new team). I mean if Stan isn't going to broker my ideal dream with PIT and their wealth of Centres for Staal then I would be willing to get an EDM one.

 

[MassHavoc]

Eh, not sure offer sheeting is the only answer at this juncture. Stan's just got to broker a deal with the right team. EDM has far TOO many fucking young Centres (esp. now between the drafting of RN-H and the signing of Belanger) and are so desperate for D that they signed fucking Cam Barker for over $2 mil per. <--- Seriously? Ridiculous. Seems likely that with Gagner, Horcoff, Brule, Cogliano, Nugent-Hopkins (who most say is NHL-ready) and now Belanger that they don't need THAT much young Centre depth on the actual team. Cogliano seems the most likely trade candidate since he's RFA (and he's only 24---plenty young to bump his game back up with a fresh start on a new team). I mean if Stan isn't going to broker my ideal dream with PIT and their wealth of Centres for Staal then I would be willing to get an EDM one.

I don't know what you are smoking BJ but it's 2.25... thank you very much. 2.25.

 

[bookjones]

I don't know what you are smoking BJ but it's 2.25... thank you very much. 2.25.

Hence my original statement of, "over $2 mil per"---notice the word "over" which denotes more than $2 mil asshole?

 

[MassHavoc]

Hence my original statement of, "over $2 mil per"---notice the word "over" which denotes more than $2 mil asshole?

I'm not following... haha...

 

[R K]

Well, Dubinsky went to arbitration so no more offersheets.



And I played around with the Rangers roster on capgeek and they could definitively keep both Anisimov and Dubinsky if if offered with $3m. They have almost $16m of capspace with 16 players signed, so they could in theory pay $3m to 5 more players.

yea but in theory they wouldn't do that. Leaves for a shitty fourth line, similar to the Hawks last year. Now they could make an offer to Anisimov as Dubinsky went to arbitration. I seriously doubt the Rangers, who just signed Richards to help win a cup, would risk icing a 4th and partial 3rd to near minimum contracts.



Either way we need a Center, OR TWO if possible.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Id now be willing to trade Kyle Beach if it involved getting Dubinsky. Beach is a high risk/high reward player at this stage in his career. If he has another shitty season or does more dumb shit this year, his value just plummets. Adding Dubinsky adds a ton of depth and adds a physical 2nd line center which needs to be addressed by the Hawks. And... Duby is still relatively young and affordable.



Plus... Beach would be able to learn from the best on how to play the agitator role =D

 

[MassHavoc]

Rangers' plan re: RFAs

11:23AM ET

New York Rangers



Four members of the New York Rangers filed for salary arbitration on Tuesday -- more than any other team. And now general manager Glen Sather's goal is to sign Brian Boyle, Brandon Dubinsky, Ryan Callahan and Michael Sauer before their respective scheduled hearings become necessary. Shouldn't be much of a problem -- from a financial standpoint -- according to Larry Brooks of the New York Post: "... It's fair to project that bookend foundation pieces Callahan and Dubinsky will come in at somewhere between $3.7 million and $4.4 million per season. It's safe to say Sauer, prime for an offer sheet that inexplicably did not materialize over the last four days, will be in at between $1.5 million and $2 million. Boyle is a tougher case, coming off his first productive year in the NHL, but he likely will come in between $1.25 million and $1.75 million ..."



The Rangers can comfortably afford these deals (and then some) under the current salary cap. Re-signing Callahan and Dubinsky will be Sather's priority. Expect new contracts for those two in the next couple of weeks.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Ew... 3.7 mil+ for Dubinsky... that's Sather alright.

 

[PatrickShart]

So now that a player has filed - he cannot be traded?



The only options are -

1. Team and player agree to terms.

2. Team doesn't want to pay if they lose - and player is UFA

3. Team agrees to ARB ruling....then can't trade him?

4. No other team can offer a contract, once player/team files for ARB



Is that correct? The only way Dubinsky, Parise can be had at this point, is if the team decides to walk after hearing?

 

[Shredder]

We should offer sheet Kyle Turris!



...although I think the universe may explode.

 

[roshinaya]

We should offer sheet Kyle Turris!



...although I think the universe may explode.

Only thing that would explode is HF50's nut.

 

[Shredder]

I was perusing HFBoards when I stumbled upon this terrific post from a short time before the 2007 draft:

Why do we constantlky get such idiotic putdown of Tier 2 just because some guys choose to play there as 17 yr olds to keep their NCAA decision on track?





AGAIN--the WHL had MARK SANTORELLI of CHILLIWACK score 82 points as a rookie COMING FROM BURNABY OF THE BCHL --yes TURRIS's team--which wasonly 11 points less than the certain first round to be ZAC HAMILL the WHL scoring champ...

SANTORELLI played the year prior in BUrnab y as a 17 yr old where he had a 0.9PPG -TURRIS on that same team as a 16 yr old was a 1.3PPG--but then TURRIS as a 17 yr old this year was a 2.3PPG ==meaning that at the same age he is 1.4 times better than Santorelli was ...if you extrapolate to what SANTORELLI did as an 1q8 yr old in the WHL this year take his 82 pts and add anothe 1.4x82 to that (THIS IS WITHOUT TURRSS EVEN IMPROVING from 17 to 18)..this means TURRIS could score

197 pts in the wHL if he played there this yras an 18 yr old! Even more if we factor some improvement for age! Santorelli improved from 17 to 18 from 0.9PPG in the BCHL to 1.1388PPG in the WHL ...if we take only that same improvement factor and add it to the extrapolated 197 pts for Turris if he played in the WHL this year we get another .2388 x 197 =47 more points..so 197+47 = 244 points ...



This would be 244-145 =99 MORE points projected for TURRIS than KANE got playing on a stacked OHL team in London...



I amsick of thes idiots who refuse to understand that SANTORELLI also was a BCHL'er who did very well in the WHL --no reason to believe TURRIS also would not tear up the WHL since he was WAY WAY BETTER than SANTORELLI at the same comparable age,so he should do WAY BETTER than SANTORELLI did in his WHL rookie year if given the same chance...



LOGICAL REASONING not insipid stupid putdowns of the WHL is so superier to Tier II ...it just doesn't matter--it is what individual hockey players do on the ice and there is ZERO reason put TURRIS down for what SANTORELLI prove a BCHL grad could do in the WHL --do VERY WELL --but we know TURRIS has even more talent than SANTORELLI,so why not ... EVEN IF you halved the 244pt "projection" (I do not se why,but if you still insisted on doing that because of some pre-concieved notion that that number was impossible in the defenseively tough WHL--then OK--

you must then discount KANE's 145 pts because of course the defensively tough

WHL is superior to the OHL --look how easily the 2 WHL mEM cUP teams beat on Plymouth which itsel handled KANE's loaded LONDON offen sive crew easily...doesn't all this indicate vast WHL superiority? Well then pretend Kane had to play in the WHL--cut his 145 pts down by at least 25..then deduct another amount (20? 40? --ok lets settle on 30 less points due to not having his prolific London linemates to play with on some "average " wHL team like Chilliwack) --so lets deduct 55 points from Kane;'s 145... he'd end up with 90 points= 3 less than ZAC HAMILL the WHL scoring CHAMP! BUT TURRIS projects to 122 points EVEN WITH A GENEROUS 50% reduction in his EXTRAPOLATION based on SANTORELLI (I still don't have a reason for any reduction of the extrapolation except to pacify the incedulous shouts of the KANE

supporters in this argument and I wanted to be EXTREMELY graceful to them).





My point in all this: justshut up about putting down Turris because he only plays in the BCHL ..Santorelli showed that is a white elephant argument AND the counter is: KANE only plays in the inferior OHL where you can run up scores with 11 goal games

with putrid teams like Erie was this season.. ONe can make all kinds of arguments but REAL SCOUTS do not put down Turris just because he played in the BCHL...

IF Central Scouting has him as the #1 NA it is because their staff ranked him that way..so to let some amateur poster on these boards put CSS down to for their professional opinion on this just to satisfy some DISBELIEF that a mere BCHL'er could be that good is to allow hogwash reasoniong. The FACTS ARE THE FACTS.. IF we did not have the Santorelli performance as a linking comparison none of my arguments on behalf of Turris could stand scrutiny..BUT we do have the Santorelli numbers,so we can use them to project for Turris in thishypothetical..





BOTTOM LINE: if you support KANE a clear #1 over TURRIS that is one thing--BUT DO NOI USE THE BCHL argument..it doesn't stand upto muster given SANTORELLI.

Logic is on my side.

Simply awesome.

 

[roshinaya]

HF50 is certifiably insane.

 

[TSD]

HF50 is certifiably insane.

Its hilarious because you don't even need to see HF50's name to know his posts.