Time for the Bears give Tyson Bagent a real chance..

[Calabis]

And then followed it up with a 58yard game..

Whatever you want to call it, getting tunnel vision, slow to process, can't read the D etc look no further then the first play of the game..

6 rushers to 5 blockers, the assignment was guys blocking to the right which left the guy to his left running free.. what does Fields do? Turns his back to him.. it's idiotic, how the hell does he not understand what was about to happen?

Turns his back because Moore was his read on hitch route guru....Moore was to his right. I find it comical that u are crying about Fields and don't know what's going on during the play

"Hey guys, I don't know the routes or concepts, but Fields is a moron for looking that way"....good fn lord.

 

[Heidenlarm]

ohh like a soppy pussy?

@Spartan

That was what I was alluding to.

 

[dbldrew]

Point out where I called you a racist and please Rush and Zack aren’t going to care about you constantly crying . You don’t know what would happen during the game if fields wasn’t hurt, I remember you being one of the main one clowning him about yards and when he started averaging 200+ the goalposts moved

You weren’t critical of Bagent. You said several times he was hit on the play despite it being a poor decision and pass. If Fields did that you would have just immediately blamed him regardless of OL play or getting hit.

Now run along and continue to hope Bagent plays well.

Just stop with the nonsense, your subtle attempt to question how much leeway you are suspecting I give Bagent isn't very subtle..

How is me saying that Bagent made a bad decision to attempt the throw not being critical of him? , the difference between you and me is if Fields did the same thing you would blame the OL, the OC for bad playcall and also the WR for not fighting for the ball, and if I pointed out it was a bad decision.. you would attempt another not so subtle jab

Yes I was very critical of Fields yards because it was terrible, 149ypg is trash. Yes he increased his yards, but he went from trash last year to a bad average this year, that's not moving the goal posts that's living in reality.

 

[dbldrew]

Turns his back because Moore was his read on hitch route guru....Moore was to his right. I find it comical that u are crying about Fields and don't know what's going on during the play

"Hey guys, I don't know the routes or concepts, but Fields is a moron for looking that way"....good fn lord.

Lol so you are attempting to justify Fields looking at his pre snap read and knowing that there will be an un blocked defender coming from his left, and him standing there with his back to the guy he knows is coming and eats the sack.. all because Moore was on that side? Lol you can't think of a better thing for him to do knowing that sack was coming other then to just stand there with his back to him? Really?

So are you saying Fields played it perfectly, or is it everybody else's fault here?

 

[PrideisBears]

Just stop with the nonsense, your subtle attempt to question how much leeway you are suspecting I give Bagent isn't very subtle..

How is me saying that Bagent made a bad decision to attempt the throw not being critical of him? , the difference between you and me is if Fields did the same thing you would blame the OL, the OC for bad playcall and also the WR for not fighting for the ball, and if I pointed out it was a bad decision.. you would attempt another not so subtle jab

Yes I was very critical of Fields yards because it was terrible, 149ypg is trash. Yes he increased his yards, but he went from trash last year to a bad average this year, that's not moving the goal posts that's living in reality.

So you couldn’t point out me calling you a racist after crying to the owners but you decided to call me one? Well that’s unfortunate and against the rules

 

[Calabis]

Lol so you are attempting to justify Fields looking at his pre snap read and knowing that there will be an un blocked defender coming from his left, and him standing there with his back to the guy he knows is coming and eats the sack.. all because Moore was on that side? Lol you can't think of a better thing for him to do knowing that sack was coming other then to just stand there with his back to him? Really?

So are you saying Fields played it perfectly, or is it everybody else's fault here?

Ur wrong and ur bullshit takes are wrong...you are completely oblivious too facts and act like you are the CBMB QB Guru and a former NFL OC....wrong. It not my excuses or others on here, we just defer to people who played at that level and understand concepts....not a CBMB member, who couldnt play QB in the street, with neighborhood friends. JENKINS SHOWS IT......AND IF YOU NEED MORE CHASE DANIELS explains it. Now go back to making up oline excuses for Bagent.

4:17 mark and cont watching, learn something

 

[Bearly]

I am curious where this "noodle arm" idea even started.

It could be stronger and his spirals could be tighter but it's not problematic. He has enough for any throw if on time. I trust him to make that better in an NFL offseason. This year was all about acclimating and the mental side. He'll have time for physical tweaking after the season whether that's to be a backup or starter.

He'll have all the reps and looks this week. He didn't always make the best choices last week but he made them quick enough to get results. The pick can be questioned for not throwing it sooner etc but you can trust DJ to not allow a disaster with a undisrupted throw. It's still up to the QB to decide whether he has the time to let that go or tuck but it was not a bad decision beyond that and you can just assume your lineman is going to get that severely steamrolled when in position. The poor snap on that also took his eyes away. The decision was fine other than factoring time to throw which counts. From that aspect it was on him but the decision on who to throw to was sound.

The fumble was not at all on him. He did everything right from what was available to process. 2 completely missed blocks and he avoided the 3 technique in his face going completely unblocked. No time or position to see that Borom never touched his guy either who stripped the ball as Tyson was raising it to hit Mooney coming across.

Less than 1/2 a game and way to early to draw any conclusions from that but there's too many people burying him for what was a very understandable performance.

 

[Calabis]

Thank u Chase...can u explain it again for the resident dumbass, who thinks he knows the concepts and Fields turning wrong way...first play explained for CBMB QB analyst

 

[Bearly]

Buddy threw the ball 20 yards short on the INT.

Just like Fields did when he got hit for his pick. Bunch of noodle arms on the Bear!

 

[Bearly]

Thank u Chase...can u explain it again for the resident dumbass, who thinks he knows the concepts and Fields turning wrong way...first play explained for CBMB QB analyst

To be fair, Fields should have a clock on that uncovered rush and just dump the ball/run away from the back side if his throw isn't there. If you see it presnap and don't correct the blocking or play for it, because you have a quick hitter in the design. You throw it at somebody's feet on the 1st read. It's why I'm not convinced Fields had that processed correctly, even if a route was misrun.

 

[Calabis]

To be fair, Fields should have a clock on that uncovered rush and just dump the ball/run away from the back side if his throw isn't there. If you see it presnap and don't correct the blocking or play for it, because you have a quick hitter in the design. You throw it at somebody's feet on the 1st read. It's why I'm not convinced Fields had that processed correctly, even if a route was misrun.

To be fair, Fields should have a clock on that uncovered rush and just dump the ball/run away from the back side if his throw isn't there. If you see it presnap and don't correct the blocking or play for it, because you have a quick hitter in the design. You throw it at somebody's feet on the 1st read. It's why I'm not convinced Fields had that processed correctly, even if a route was misrun.

Jesus fn christ, how do we have a board full of Dan Marino's, yet never had a franchise QB in Chicago.

Daniels explains the wrong route, which is why he freezes...in other Daniels vid, I posted time frame...he explains it and how it makes u freeze. Which is why he didn't throw or u would have had a pick 6....the look, is what Bears wanted, Fields already knew out is open...hence he did read the fn defense properly...snap ball....RB stops in middle of play, stops route and takes away wide open out Fields thought he had open and bam...ur hit. Yet according to u...Fields should have known back was going to run wrong route and immediately threw it at the feet or outrun a unblocked sub 4.8 guy, with a full head of steam from a standstill position in 1.5 seconds.

I wish I was fn rich...I swear, I would fly all u Gurus out to a facility and have dudes smack the shit out of u and look at all these amazing reads u make in less than 2 seconds from the pocket.

Fields has his issues, but u mfers acting like every got damn play is on him...that shit is a joke....what is worse, when Bagent comes in...his Magacult following, starts crying about the oline...the one not needed and good QBs overcome for QB1...wtf is happening here?

 

[Bearly]

Jesus fn christ, how do we have a board full of Dan Marino's, yet never had a franchise QB in Chicago.

Daniels explains the wrong route, which is why he freezes...in other Daniels vid, I posted time frame...he explains it and how it makes u freeze. Which is why he didn't throw or u would have had a pick 6....the look, is what Bears wanted, Fields already knew out is open...hence he did read the fn defense properly...snap ball....RB stops in middle of play, stops route and takes away wide open out Fields thought he had open and bam...ur hit. Yet according to u...Fields should have known back was going to run wrong route and immediately threw it at the feet or outrun a unblocked sub 4.8 guy, with a full head of steam from a standstill position in 1.5 seconds.

I wish I was fn rich...I swear, I would fly all u Gurus out to a facility and have dudes smack the shit out of u and look at all these amazing reads u make in less than 2 seconds from the pocket.

Fields has his issues, but u mfers acting like every got damn play is on him...that shit is a joke....what is worse, when Bagent comes in...his Magacult following, starts crying about the oline...the one not needed and good QBs overcome for QB1...wtf is happening here?

There's still another layer of awareness you want in your vet starter, like seeing a guy lined up uncovered before the snap and knowing you have to dump if your 1st read isn't there. Yes, there was likely a route mistake but your QB is your game manager and has to react situationally. Lots of plays break down and some are unavoidable. This one was easy to diagnose and minimize the effect. He didn't.

I want him to be all that as much as anyone but it doesn't bias what I see.

 

[PrideisBears]

There's still another layer of awareness you want in your vet starter, like seeing a guy lined up uncovered before the snap and knowing you have to dump if your 1st read isn't there. Yes, there was likely a route mistake but your QB is your game manager and has to react situationally. Lots of plays break down and some are unavoidable. This one was easy to diagnose and minimize the effect. He didn't.

I want him to be all that as much as anyone but it doesn't bias what I see.

I agree however at some point you have to question why our offense is never prepared in general. Besides Moore there is no development and it can’t be because EVERYONE sucks

 

[Calabis]

There's still another layer of awareness you want in your vet starter, like seeing a guy lined up uncovered before the snap and knowing you have to dump if your 1st read isn't there. Yes, there was likely a route mistake but your QB is your game manager and has to react situationally. Lots of plays break down and some are unavoidable. This one was easy to diagnose and minimize the effect. He didn't.

I want him to be all that as much as anyone but it doesn't bias what I see.

He isnt a vet...he is basically 23 games into this system .

Also I'm not going to debate with u...ur one of my favorites on here. We disagree, it wasn't easy to do other things and a former NFL QB agrees with that assessment and said Fields was hot entirely way to much in the game

 

[Bearly]

He isnt a vet...he is basically 23 games into this system .

Also I'm not going to debate with u...ur one of my favorites on here. We disagree, it wasn't easy to do other things and a former NFL QB agrees with that assessment and said Fields was hot entirely way to much in the game

What I stated was simple and doesn't take a high level of recognition. He's a vet in that he's dealt with uncovered rushers at this level many times. 3rd year in the league, 2nd year in this system with 31 starts. You're right that he isn't quite yet a vet but he's reached the point of more critical evaluation at the position.

Same here as I appreciate your perspectives but I just don't happen to agree here and that A O K.

Fields needs to show me more at this point and I hope he does. We need a different play caller or QB to get a better idea of what's going on. I'm not sure Bagent has seen enough NFL D to give us that perspective but he's the best alternative we got so it will be interesting and at least provide another data point and reason to watch.

 

[Anytime23]

So many #GayGents4Bagent in here

 

[Calabis]

What I stated was simple and doesn't take a high level of recognition. He's a vet in that he's dealt with uncovered rushers at this level many times. 3rd year in the league, 2nd year in this system with 31 starts. You're right that he isn't quite yet a vet but he's reached the point of more critical evaluation at the position.

Same here as I appreciate your perspectives but I just don't happen to agree here and that A O K.

Fields needs to show me more at this point and I hope he does. We need a different play caller or QB to get a better idea of what's going on. I'm not sure Bagent has seen enough NFL D to give us that perspective but he's the best alternative we got so it will be interesting and at least provide another data point and reason to watch.

Just the other dude has me sick of QB talk..imo no one will survive here, not with this HC/OC and a scheme that the oline apparently can't run. Poles drafting for KC type offense and Getsy running Packers offense. Yes most is routes are identical, but schemes/blocking isnt. Should have hired Bienemy, not this clown who has done nothing

 

[Calabis]

What I stated was simple and doesn't take a high level of recognition. He's a vet in that he's dealt with uncovered rushers at this level many times. 3rd year in the league, 2nd year in this system with 31 starts. You're right that he isn't quite yet a vet but he's reached the point of more critical evaluation at the position.

Same here as I appreciate your perspectives but I just don't happen to agree here and that A O K.

Fields needs to show me more at this point and I hope he does. We need a different play caller or QB to get a better idea of what's going on. I'm not sure Bagent has seen enough NFL D to give us that perspective but he's the best alternative we got so it will be interesting and at least provide another data point and reason to watch.

Also it isn't simple...its damn near a blind throw, how many times have we seen guys run wrong route and QB throws to area and no is there or DB is for int.

 

[Bearly]

Also it isn't simple...its damn near a blind throw, how many times have we seen guys run wrong route and QB throws to area and no is there or DB is for int.

Never said QB was simple nor implied it's all on the QB.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

How effective would Mahomes be with two or more untouched offensive linemen were on him on every play?

I keep pointing out that the Chiefs would be 2 and 12 in the last 14 games with the Bears "D".