Time to get rid of Matt Forte

[Nick80]

Great effort as a troll post.... But in your quest to deride Cutler realists, you bring up the perfect cautionary tale.

Forte gets a big contract, the Bears commit to him for a few years.... all based on one decent year and hopes that he lives up to potential. the result on the field is more or less of the same ol same ol.

the ink has already been put to the paper for forte.... Must the Bears fall for that trap again?

Nope, you are right Admiral Ackbar, it is indeed, a trap!

 

[FirstTimer]

Funny thing about Tebow is that he is the second most efficient passer in college football history and won the Heisman as a QB. He has won more playoff games as a QB than many starting QB's in the NFL(Romo comes to mind). I am not a Tebow fanboy, just pointing out how ridiculous your argument is.

Him and Romo each have 1 win.

What does that have to do with him being a good NFL QB?

 

[malcore]

Yours about him playing TE where he has never played in his life versus QB where he has played his entire life.

Gil Brandt thinks it might be a good idea:

New York Jets quarterback Tim Tebow has a history of winning, a great work ethic and a highly competitive nature. He just doesn't stack up as an NFL signal-caller. If he's going to remain in the league, I think he'll have to find another position.

Such a move would not be unprecedented. Billy Cannon, a Heisman Trophy winner like Tebow, was drafted as a running back in 1960 (with the first overall pick, no less), but was eventually converted to the tight end position. And he became a pretty good one for the Oakland Raiders, making the Pro Bowl. Tebow could also take heart in the story of Todd Christensen, who had been a running back at BYU before becoming a top-notch tight end in the NFL.

I was working for the Dallas Cowboys when they drafted Christensen in the second round in 1978. We wanted to move him to tight end, but he didn't want any part of it. We ended up cutting him. He had a short stint with the New York Giants before winding up with the Oakland Raiders. Al Davis nurtured him for two years, finally turning him into an excellent tight end. When all was said and done, Christensen caught 461 career passes for 5,872 yards and 41 touchdowns, making the Pro Bowl five times.


Yes, Tebow did take the Denver Broncos to the playoffs as a quarterback last season, but he looked terrible doing it. This season with the Jets, he's hardly seen the field. He's had occasional moments of brilliance in his career (the pass that Broncos receiver Demaryius Thomas turned into an 80-yard, game-winning scoring strike in a playoff game against the Pittsburgh Steelers last season was as pretty a throw as you'll see), but he's too inconsistent. He's like a golfer who can't hit a two-foot putt to save his life, then turns around and sinks a 25-footer.

There's got to be a place for Tebow in this league, because he does have talent; he did, after all, win two national championships with Florida. But he simply has too many flaws as a quarterback, all of which popped up when I judged him according to the criteria commonly used to evaluate players at the position.

Here are 10 traits in which Tebow has a demonstrable deficiency:

1) Accuracy: When I worked with the Dallas Cowboys, we thought this was the most important trait when it came to the success of a quarterback. Troy Aikman, who won three Super Bowls with the Cowboys, had unbelievable accuracy. Today's best quarterbacks (Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady and Drew Brees) all have it, too, completing around 65 percent of their passes. Tebow, on the other hand, has a career completion percentage of 48.1.


Tom Landry had a theory that accuracy cannot be improved. Whenever people would challenge him on that, he'd ask them to show him someone who became more accurate over the course of their career; they'd usually find none. The odd thing with Tebow is that he seems to have gotten worse, at least since his time at Florida, where he completed 66.4 percent of his passes.

2) Anticipation: Great quarterbacks display great anticipation. They must, because in today's NFL, defensive backs are too fast and too smart to be beaten any other way. Tebow, for some reason, just seems to have trouble in this area. He almost waits until his guy is open before he throws the ball. I know people have been trying to help him fix this problem, but I don't know if it's correctable.

3) Awareness: This is such a crucial attribute for successful quarterbacks. Try to fool, for example, Brady or Manning. (You can't.) Tebow is a smart guy, but he seems to really lack awareness. Players can improve in this area with experience, but usually it's something one is born with.

4) Ability to make any type of throw: Good quarterbacks must be able to throw the ball deep or short with touch, and they need to have good timing for crossing routes. Tebow does not have natural passing skills. There's no arc on the ball when he throws it. That's one reason he struggled against the New England Patriots in the divisional round of the playoffs last season, when he completed just nine of 26 passes.

5) Quick release: A quarterback must get the ball out of his hand quickly; Dan Marino was one of the best at doing this. Tebow will over-stride and has a very long, baseball-type release. He's just not fast enough.


6) Ability to fit the ball into tight spaces: Anyone who's seen Chicago Bears quarterback Jay Cutler play knows why this is important. Cutler gets the ball to his receivers in a hurry, and can fit it through small openings. Tebow can, from time to time, make such throws (the touchdown to Thomas during the playoffs last season was an example), but they come too few and far between.

7) Ability to read route concepts: As is the case with awareness, Tebow seems to have trouble understanding concepts as quickly as he needs to. Brady and Manning, by contrast, have an unbelievable ability to really know the route concepts, and when and where a guy is going to come open.

8) Taking snaps under center: I don't know that Tebow ever took snaps under center in college, but he seems to struggle doing this in the pros. He does not have great footwork and seems to have problems transferring his weight. The Houston Texans' Matt Schaub is one quarterback who stands out in this area; when he hands the ball off to Arian Foster, there are no lost steps.

9) Poise: I think Tebow makes questionable decisions at times, and that probably stems from a lack of poise. One moment this season was especially telling in this regard. A screen pass was called, and it looked like he had an opportunity to make a big play. However, when the defense came with pressure, Tebow took off for a short gain. This should not happen; he has to realize that dealing with pressure is part of running a screen play.

10) Touch: Tebow seems to throw everything with one speed, no matter what type of pass he's trying to throw, though he seems to be getting better in this area. Then again, he's thrown just seven passes in game action this season, so it's tough to know for sure.


I just don't see how an NFL team, whether it's the Jets or someone else, can keep Tebow on the roster if he's contributing as little as he has at this point.

So where can he play? Well, I could see Tebow possibly succeeding as an H-back or a short-yardage fullback, but I would try him at tight end, where he can put his big hands to good use.

Tebow is an enigma, a talented football player whose best position has yet to be discovered. I do know one thing about him, though: He's not an NFL quarterback.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...-york-jets-would-benefit-from-position-change

 

[onebud34]

Didn't even know that mal.

If there were a position for himi to play on offense, that is the only one I think he'd be serviceable.

 

[malcore]

Hell look at the first two letters of his name. He's a natural.

 

[FrenchieBully]

I guess Houston, SF, Seattle, and Baltimore didn't get that memo

None of those teams will win the Superbowl. Only teams with elite QBs will. The last team to win with an OK quarterback were the Ravens over a decade ago. Overpaying for a RB is the kiss of death. Only AP deserves every penny.

Matt Forte can't play in bad weather or run it up the gut. He is a twinkle toes RB. Thomas Jones danced around a lot too, but he could run it up the middle though.

Plus all four of those guys are better than Forte. They are consistent, don't have the injury bug, can play in any weather condition, and can pound the rock.

 

[FrenchieBully]

Who? And you act like we didn't have cap space.

Just because a credit card gives you a high spending limit doesn't mean you max it out.

 

[FrenchieBully]

If only Emery traded Forte and a pick to land another 1st rounder. We could have had DeCastro and Reiff controlling the left side for the next 10 years. Instead we have a turnstile and a hole on that side to help a running back that can only play during nice weather.

 

[onebud34]

None of those teams will win the Superbowl. Only teams with elite QBs will. The last team to win with an OK quarterback were the Ravens over a decade ago. Overpaying for a RB is the kiss of death. Only AP deserves every penny.

Matt Forte can't play in bad weather or run it up the gut. He is a twinkle toes RB. Thomas Jones danced around a lot too, but he could run it up the middle though.

Plus all four of those guys are better than Forte. They are consistent, don't have the injury bug, can play in any weather condition, and can pound the rock.

Gotta love the ol switcheroo.

 

[Sculpt]

Suuuuure

That's hilarious! Still, wasn't the best thrown ball in the world either. Who threw that, Sanchez?

 

[Sculpt]

Time to get rid of Forte. And go get an Adrian Peterson or Barry Sanders !!!!!

Being we already gave Forte his contract, I just hope Forte heals up to 100% in the offseason and can stay 90-100 all year next year. He's very good when he's 100%, and we have an OC that knows how to use him.

 

[gpphat]

None of those teams will win the Superbowl. Only teams with elite QBs will. The last team to win with an OK quarterback were the Ravens over a decade ago. Overpaying for a RB is the kiss of death. Only AP deserves every penny.

Matt Forte can't play in bad weather or run it up the gut. He is a twinkle toes RB. Thomas Jones danced around a lot too, but he could run it up the middle though.

Plus all four of those guys are better than Forte. They are consistent, don't have the injury bug, can play in any weather condition, and can pound the rock.

1st - You said teams who pay big money to RB's are home for the playoffs, the only part of that statement which is correct is that more than likely Houston and SF will be playing at home in the playoffs

2nd - How do you know none of those teams will win the Super Bowl? All of those teams, especially Houston, SF, and Seattle, all have a top caliber defense and a top notch RB. Those defenses have shown they can shut down opposing QB's and the ones who do play well against them their offense has stepped up.

3rd - When Forte has been used correctly he has shown to be a top all-around RB. And even this year, what most are saying is a down year for him, he is still averaging over 4 yards a carry on 212 attempts. I guarantee you any of those elite QB's would love and welcome a player like Forte.

 

[Monk]

Just because a credit card gives you a high spending limit doesn't mean you max it out.

You still didn't give names of who we should have signed and Forte's contract didn't stop us from signing those which have not been name. But you todl us.

 

[Coldbeer]

On another note, why was Sanchez aiming for his helmet?

Sanchez has aim?

 

[Monk]

Sanchez has aim?

Probably not but that is exactly where he threw it.

 

[FrenchieBully]

You still didn't give names of who we should have signed and Forte's contract didn't stop us from signing those which have not been name. But you todl us.

Carl Nicks, Eric Winston, Ben Grubbs, Eddie Royal, or a TE.

 

[gpphat]

Carl Nicks, Eric Winston, Ben Grubbs, Eddie Royal, or a TE.

HAHA, how did Forte's contract prevent signing an average WR and/or a TE?? His contract didn't max out our salary cap, there was still money to throw around.

 

[northsiderbearcub]

And go get an Adrian Peterson or Barry Sanders !!!!!

Silly rabbit.