Today we mourn, tomorrow we discuss

[Hendu0520]

Shakes you are crazy, and I love Ben and I want to keep him but he ruined this game for us. This is the type of game that makes me wanna just let him go. He took horrible shots, when we could've tied the game he came down and took a 3 pointer on 4 Celtics and it was an airball and airball!!!!, how many times can he go one on one and kill any momentum that the Bulls have had. He had 3 or 4 momentum changing, black hole plays. How many of those runners were after he dribbled for 10 seconds and put up a shot on 4 defenders. Yes he is an amazing scorer and a lot of those runs are started by Gordon but if he is gonna be the run killer and not force the other team to stop us then it doesn't matter. When is he gonna learn that he has a great player next to him and he should have given him the ball more. Salmons caught on to this a bit as well but he is no where near as bad as Gordon. Bring him back but he has to change.

 

[Diddy1122]

B1LLIONAIREKR3W wrote:

i knew we would lose this game, but not like this. we could of won the 2nd game in boston and game 5. but what really killed us is the switch that the celtics keep makeing with are short players, ill love to keep ben gordon but if nothing comes up we should sign and trade him and tyrus for bosh. i think it would help us. because were building around rose not ben gordon. gordon wants money but there no way cheap jerry is gonna go over broad with that hes to in love with his white soxs. but we would really sign him and trade him right away. i really need size and a post player.

I think alot of that switching was Vinny though. Thats the scheme he was running. We were also way too agressive when switching on ball screens that left open lanes to the hoop.

If we can't keep BG, then we should definitely try to sign and trade him. Does he want to play in Canada? I dunno. I wouldn't

 

[Shakes]

That three pointer was a bad shot. I'm not going to say Ben never takes bad shots. Anyone who takes a lot of shots is going to take some bad ones. MJ took bad shots sometimes.

But I really don't think BG is the worst offender for taking bad shots. In just this game I think you have to point the finger at Rose, who during the stretch when we couldn't get anything going took and missed four shots. You can complain about lack of ball movement and selfishness ... well our point guard was the one jacking up shots during that stretch.

 

[Hendu0520]

Derrick only forces shots when we haven't scored in a while. He forced those shots trying to create something after setting up Hinrich and Miller for misses in the 2nd quarter. Hinrich and Miller couldn't hit a shot, Ben was benched but because he wasn't guarding anyone and he was jacking up shots. Derrick played a good game although I would have liked him to force more action down the stretch.

 

[Hendu0520]

I'm not blaming the entire game on Ben but he really knows how to kill our momentum, he hogs the ball when we are on a run and it kills the run, no doubt about it. Rose did not kill one run by being selfish, maybe a turnover but not a selfish turnover. Ben just puts his head down and there is no getting it from him.

 

[Hendu0520]

Oh yes MJ did take some bad shots but I know you are not comparing Ben to MJ. Just go to the FG% which Jordan was much better. Not to mention all the other reasons it was ok for Jordan to take some bad shots.

 

[thefigs]

It was a good run for the bulls, and leaves us with alot od positives for the year!! Hoping we can keep Gordon and make some inside help moves for next season. D Rose will be ready to continue as the man, Deng will be healthy and the team will be able to push forward!!

 

[thefigs]

Stop hating on Ben, where would the Bulls be in this years playoffs without him!! Where was Deng to help, where was Hinrick down the stretch of games, Rose is still a rookie................and playing Canada would be better then a shit loud of other nba teams!!! ( Bucks, Clippers, Memphis, Utah, .ect) Toronto is a great city!!

 

[Shakes]

Yes of course what a bad shot is varies from player to player. You don't want Noah taking a three pointer even if he's the only guy on the court. Ben Gordon is one of the top three point shooters in the league, so as far as I'm concerned he's earnt the benefit of the doubt when he takes the odd contested one.

My point isn't to put the blame on Rose, my point is we lost the game by going on an 8 minute field goal drought, and something that long is on everyone on the court, and also the coach. One player doesn't do that, it was the team stopping playing like a team and everyone trying to be the hero.

It just feels like in this case that because Gordon's (probably) gone, he makes a good scapegoat so we can all feel better about the team next year.

 

[engies]

Shakes wrote:

Yes of course what a bad shot is varies from player to player. You don't want Noah taking a three pointer even if he's the only guy on the court. Ben Gordon is one of the top three point shooters in the league, so as far as I'm concerned he's earnt the benefit of the doubt when he takes the odd contested one.

My point isn't to put the blame on Rose, my point is we lost the game by going on an 8 minute field goal drought, and something that long is on everyone on the court, and also the coach. One player doesn't do that, it was the team stopping playing like a team and everyone trying to be the hero.

It just feels like in this case that because Gordon's (probably) gone, he makes a good scapegoat so we can all feel better about the team next year.

Agreed

Gordon has made those shots before, people seem to forget the Skiles era when he was constantly double teamed & would nail shots

& we couldnt get anything going I agreed with most of his shots & I think if he was healthy he would've made alot more of them, which leads me to another thing

Gordon's detractors in the last 3 games or so have forgotten the fact he is playing with a TEAR in his hamstring. You can see he doesnt get as much lift in his shots. Its definitely harder for him to nail a shot and defend among other things.

 

[dougthonus]

Hendu0520 wrote:

Derrick only forces shots when we haven't scored in a while. He forced those shots trying to create something after setting up Hinrich and Miller for misses in the 2nd quarter. Hinrich and Miller couldn't hit a shot, Ben was benched but because he wasn't guarding anyone and he was jacking up shots. Derrick played a good game although I would have liked him to force more action down the stretch.

Gordon scored 30 points on 31 possessions when you take out his technical free throws.

Derrick Rose 18 points on 21 possessions.

Gordon shot more desperation shots at the end when someone had to shoot and we forced the ball ball into the hands and told him to shoot too which probably lowered his efficiency significantly as well.

 

[TheStig]

Hendu0520 wrote:

Shakes you are crazy, and I love Ben and I want to keep him but he ruined this game for us. This is the type of game that makes me wanna just let him go. He took horrible shots, when we could've tied the game he came down and took a 3 pointer on 4 Celtics and it was an airball and airball!!!!, how many times can he go one on one and kill any momentum that the Bulls have had. He had 3 or 4 momentum changing, black hole plays. How many of those runners were after he dribbled for 10 seconds and put up a shot on 4 defenders. Yes he is an amazing scorer and a lot of those runs are started by Gordon but if he is gonna be the run killer and not force the other team to stop us then it doesn't matter. When is he gonna learn that he has a great player next to him and he should have given him the ball more. Salmons caught on to this a bit as well but he is no where near as bad as Gordon. Bring him back but he has to change.

What more do you want from a shooter who's shot wasn't falling? BG still got 33 points and 15fta, thats pretty considering the old bg would have finished with single digit points on similar shooting. BG even with a torn hamstring still got to the ft line more than anyone else on our team and kept it close. BG's scoring was more consistent that Ray Allen this series. You can't honestly blame any of this series on BG.

 

[RPK]

I'm probably still not thinking clearly after last night's game, but some random thoughts...

I really thought Gordon killed our momentum on a number of possessions when he was jacking up terrible shots, especially early in the shot clock.

He has games where sometimes they go in, and we all love him for that, but when the Bulls are desperate for a quality offensive set, he can't have such a one-track mind.

You can just tell when he is in that mode, where he will shoot no matter what. It can be maddening watching it. I don't think he's selfish, he probably is just trying to carry the team, but he has to have a better understanding as to when he doesn't have a viable shot.

If we lose Gordon next year, that should free up space for 2010. It's a gamble, but the Bulls desperately need more interior scoring to balance out the backcourt and wing scoring.

I believe there's a very good chance the Bulls win more games next year without Gordon.

The coaching staff has no confidence in Tyrus. They have a very quick hook for him, and I believe he desperately wants out. Tyrus believes he's a superstar in waiting, the coaches probably thinks he's a better Stromile Swift at best.

Noah has matured to be a defensive force. While still lacking in bulk, he compensates with an insane motor. Remember when he came into the Vegas rookie league out of shape? It is imperative that Noah comes into next season in shape. Bulls are not good enough to coast with him not being ready.

Bulls will have two draft picks, Tyrus, and expiring contracts to offer someone for a big man. Toronto will probably stubbornly hold onto Bosh, so I believe the Bulls best chance to get him will be in 2010. I'll be shocked if Bosh likes Toronto so much that he extends with them. On the other hand, I think if Phoenix starts out slow, they will probably be in full dump mode, especially with the prospect of losing Amare for nothing. Pax, Gar, or Jerry better take notice.

Another player the Bulls should keep tabs on is the 'Polish hammer'. Marcin Gortat ha some decent touch near the basket and is strong/bulky enough to bang with the big boys. I believe he is a restricted free agent. It be awfully tough to trade Tyrus for him, but the two sides may not be able to coexist to the point where a trade is forced anways.

It's been an interesting year. A miraculous lottery win. Horrible start. Big time trade by Pax to help make a late run. And in the end, I'm confident that the Bulls are moving int he right direction.

 

[J-Mart]

Good season, I'm depressed, but I'll get over it. Rose better work his ass off this offseason, I know we like to hype him up but he has a long way to go still. Noah I also expect to have a good offseason, I think he has finally matured enough to know what he has got to do. Tyrus needs to work on a lot of stuff to, personally I want him to improve his rebounding and get stronger. Those were the two keys why he wasn't in late game situations, including his tendencies to try and do too much on offense. Although I'm really starting to believe that Tyrus is just a role player. Lets just hope the Suns or the Raptors see his "potential"

Signing BG is a must, if we don't resign him and end up not making a trade for Amare or Bosh, I will not be happy going into next year. Preferably we would sign BG and get Amare/Bosh but that isn't happening IMO.

This team has got promise lets just hope they don't fold after trade rumors like in the past. I'm looking at you Deng and Hinrich (If you aren't traded).

 

[Ralphb07]

It was a great season and we have a lot of positives going into next season.

Even the guys that hate Vinny gotta realize that this series was good for him. From Game 3 on he didn't take quick timeouts and did good in that aspect and love him or hate him he is our coach and it was a good series for him to learn from

How could you ask for any more pressure for your 20 year old rookie PG. This series will help him so much in the offseason and throughout next year. Same for Noah I see Noah working hard and coming out better and having a good year

We must now try to find that legit PF or at least add some quality depth there.

if we re sign Gordon get a healthy Deng back with Rose and Noah next year will be better. use the other guys to get the missing pieces

 

[Celtics17]

I'm a Celtics fan who just wanted to stop by a Bulls board to give my congratulations for the way your team competed throughout this series. I was particularly impressed with Joakim Noah and Kirk Hinrich. Warriors!! Derrick Rose can be a superstar. He's young and has some things to learn about the game but his talent is ridiculous.

In short, congrats, and good luck with your team going forward.

 

[engies]

Celtics17 wrote:

I'm a Celtics fan who just wanted to stop by a Bulls board to give my congratulations for the way your team competed throughout this series. I was particularly impressed with Joakim Noah and Kirk Hinrich. Warriors!! Derrick Rose can be a superstar. He's young and has some things to learn about the game but his talent is ridiculous.

In short, congrats, and good luck with your team going forward.

Very nice of you to drop by considering its a Bulls podcast forum.
Thanks. I have respect for Celtics too...sure things got heated in the series & i think things were done or said between the players & even the bench but in the end it was one of the greatest series ever in the NBA & you guys won it. Could've been anyone's series but if both teams had a healthy team I think Celtics would've had an easier time

Best of the luck with the Magic. Since you're underdogs I might even be rooting for you guys to upset Dwight & then Lebron.

 

[Dpauley23]

I hate everyone on the Celtics except Ray Allen. That guy is a class act and he even congratuled Gordon on having one hell of series

 

[TheStig]

Agreed, I hope Howard elbows Rondo in the face.

 

[Bullsman24]

but then KG will have to be INTENSE at dwight.