Toews played with concussion symptoms

[JOVE23]

He was in Atlanta? NOBODY TOLD ME

 

[Creature1958]

Well wait a second, I keep hearing from people "in the know" that the NHL protocols are extremely tough to fake out. That they go above and beyond the other pro leagues' protocols. So something isn't adding up. This person is never wrong. Never. Even when he's wrong, he's never wrong.

This is the NHL and if you are following the CBA talks and the percentages that are used it should not be strange at all. Think newer math.

 

[Variable]

Imaginary numbers.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

If I remember correctly, and RK could confirm this, doesn't a player have to pass a baseline test in order to come back and play? Who says he told anybody about his eye reaction issues?



What he describes as "turning his head and having pain'' sounds like a pinched nerve.

 

[R K]

Sounds to me like he may have had a pinched nerve or something else that was giving him concussion symptoms. I know I've tweaked my neck before and gotten headaches from it.

I'm pretty sure that's what Crosby went through as well.

 

[R K]

If I remember correctly, and RK could confirm this, doesn't a player have to pass a baseline test in order to come back and play? Who says he told anybody about his eye reaction issues?



What he describes as "turning his head and having pain'' sounds like a pinched nerve.

Yes they all must pass a series of on ice/off ice workouts and tests. Tests they take the base line at the beginning of the year in training camp.



So he must have passed them and continued to not show signs of a concussion. I'm pretty sure they are mandated by the NHL.



Or according to the Troll I have no clue what I'm talking about, then again you know better first hand.

 

[R K]

This is the NHL and if you are following the CBA talks and the percentages that are used it should not be strange at all. Think newer math.

I'm going to assume the **** tard was referring to me. I spoke to Eager and Seabrook about some of the tests they had to take in order to get back on the ice. It's in a rather extensive thread on here some where. It took Eager two months to pass his and Seabrook took it numerous times last year or the previous before he could get back on the ice in game action.



It was said that Johnsson fell off the stationary bike during his off ice test and never played again.



As for the "this person is never wrong, in the know" ---- Go **** Yourself Troll! ( no creature not you and exactly why I have the **** on ignore)

 

[Creature1958]

I'm going to assume the **** tard was referring to me. I spoke to Eager and Seabrook about some of the tests they had to take in order to get back on the ice. It's in a rather extensive thread on here some where. It took Eager two months to pass his and Seabrook took it numerous times last year or the previous before he could get back on the ice in game action.



It was said that Johnsson fell off the stationary bike during his off ice test and never played again.



As for the "this person is never wrong, in the know" ---- Go **** Yourself Troll! ( no creature not you and exactly why I have the **** on ignore)

Not sure exactly how to take that RK but I do like to banter back and forth with you. Interesting that you were able to talk to the players about their symptoms and what it took to get back on the ice but there in lies the problem. They have also talked to their teammates so it would be easy for them to mask a few minor symptoms to the medical professionals just to get back in the game. This is happening in all sports not just hockey which is why I said that the protocol could get a lot worse in the future. The leagues and medical professionals are taking concussions seriously while it seems some players are not.



Anyway HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL.

 

[Variable]

Wouldn't worse in this case mean better? Or stricter? Which it probably should be?

 

[Creature1958]

Agreed. The players may not like it if it happens but when they release info like that to the media......it is their own fault.

 

[R K]

Not sure exactly how to take that RK but I do like to banter back and forth with you. Interesting that you were able to talk to the players about their symptoms and what it took to get back on the ice but there in lies the problem. They have also talked to their teammates so it would be easy for them to mask a few minor symptoms to the medical professionals just to get back in the game. This is happening in all sports not just hockey which is why I said that the protocol could get a lot worse in the future. The leagues and medical professionals are taking concussions seriously while it seems some players are not.



Anyway HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL.

All I know is the cognitive part of the test was said to be a complete *****. And since they take it in camp and them must some how match the results later in the season if concussion may arise I think it's understandable. You can't "mask" the cognitive test. It's specific to each player. Taken sometimes months before the retest if needed. Talking to your fellow players I think does very little. Now add if you can't pass the physical test, which are ALSO very intensive I don't see how talking to others would help. Not saying part of that couldn't happen, but there are examples of players not passing at different steps of the process.



Eager was not the sharpest tack in the box so him not passing I understand, he was on like his 7th or 8th concussion at the time. Mean while I know Seabrook fairly well, and he's pretty smart. So if he had trouble I must assume he was telling it like it was.



Also I was not the only one told about Johnsson when his tests failed. Like Hossa sitting in a dark room for a week after the Torres hit. Or Montedor having issues on and off all year, and he too sitting in a dark room.



As the medical research into concussions continues no doubt the protocol will also change/evolve. Now, I suppose that doesn't mean a player could STILL pass the test and not admit he's not "right". That's 100% on the player IMO.



And fact they hate taking the tests over and over. You are cleared to work out, cleared to take the ice, cleared to play, there is most definitely a process. I also believe they added an independent Neurologist into the process as well.

 

[R K]

Agreed. The players may not like it if it happens but when they release info like that to the media......it is their own fault.

Makes one wonder if Toews "car accident" didn't have something to do with him "hiding" the concussion. Texting was an excuse but awful ironic it was so timely to the concussion. Also if he is good enough to pass the test, doesn't tell of symptoms they can not find, it's his fault if he ends his career. Research into concussions is again in it's infancy.

 

[Variable]

Don't think it has as much to do with it being in it's infancy, which I don't totally agree on, than it is on a patient simply not telling or flat out lying to his/her doctor about pertinent information on how they're feeling. That can be with anything, forget about a concussion, that if you're going to lie or not say anything about, bad things will end up happening.